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Paco II

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Hey, iTunes Match + iTunes 12.2 question for you all: Now that they've removed the 'Match' screen when it is uploading songs, where can I go to see how close I am to the 25,000 limit? The Match screen was the screen I would use - when it finished it would should how many matched tracks I had. Where can I see that number now?
 

netnothing

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Hey, iTunes Match + iTunes 12.2 question for you all: Now that they've removed the 'Match' screen when it is uploading songs, where can I go to see how close I am to the 25,000 limit? The Match screen was the screen I would use - when it finished it would should how many matched tracks I had. Where can I see that number now?

Can you do a Smart Playlist that has

ANY
iCloud Status is Matched
iCloud Status is Uploaded

Don't think you want to add iCloud Status is Purchased....aren't purchased songs NOT part of the 25,000 limit?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204146

Come to think of it....I think the number you used to see on that screen included purchased songs.....but that was a little misleading.

-Kevin
 
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Paco II

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Perfect, that seems to show the right number as I remember it. Thanks!

Can you do a Smart Playlist that has

ANY
iCloud Status is Matched
iCloud Status is Uploaded

Don't think you want to add iCloud Status is Purchased....aren't purchased songs NOT part of the 25,000 limit?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204146

Come to think of it....I think the number you used to see on that screen included purchased songs.....but that was a little misleading.

-Kevin
 
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Soni Sanjay

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I didn't have this problem - I have no music locally stored on my MBP and when I updated to iTunes 12.2, it continued to show all my existing music with the correct status (Purchased, Matched, Uploaded) and I can continue to download them DRM free. I do have an active match subscription so I don't know if that makes a difference?

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So you didn't have any music dowloaded when you activated Apple Music alongside iCloud Music? What happens to me is that the songs disappear, I have to turn off iML, download the songs, reactivate iML and then they show up.
 

Soni Sanjay

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Oh sorry, I misspoke on the Purchased ones. From my testing just now, it seems like Apple Music is recognizing the Purchased songs and not offering to "Make Available Offline". But the rest are definitely getting changed over to Apple Music.

My workaround at the moment is:

1. Make an "Apple Music" playlist
2. Find the listed songs that used to be in iTunes Match in the folder structure ("Show in Folder")
3. Copy the non-DRM files from the folder to the Desktop
4. Delete the songs from iTunes
5. Re-import the songs from my Desktop
6. Watch as the songs are magically changed back to iTunes Matched.

Sigh...

That's exactly what I had to do with some of my songs... It seems Apple Music gets confused and every once in a while they give you DRM songs instead of Matched songs... Unfortunately for you that happened at a very bad time. But yes, the current fix is to delete and re-add... A pain.
 
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XxUnkn0wnxX

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well my library turned out ok just a few duplicated due to songs being wrongly named it tried to make me re-download them even though i had the correct DRM free copy's any way..

but does any one how long you can be stuck on this:
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i just started this like 14 hours ago...

it has 549 left of my songs to go..

and does any know why these are failing:
iM2AZ.png

nm simple delete from library and re-adding them fixes it
 
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Phil A.

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So you didn't have any music dowloaded when you activated Apple Music alongside iCloud Music? What happens to me is that the songs disappear, I have to turn off iML, download the songs, reactivate iML and then they show up.
No, none at all - I have never kept a copy of my music on my MBP and have always streamed it from iTunes match before Apple Music. All my music remained visible and available when I upgraded to iTunes 12.2 and enabled iCloud music library
 

Soni Sanjay

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Apologies in advance if this has already been answered.

Let's say 1) I have a (legal) collection of music that I have ripped from my own CDs at high bitrate. 2) I do not need higher quality files and so don't subscribe to Match. 3) I am interested in what Apple Music offers and am fully prepared to have DRM files for tracks not in my collection, and not being able to play them after dropping my subscription.

Under what scenario do I risk having my DRM-free rips over-written by DRMd files?

1. Would streaming the same track from Apple Music do so?
2. Would saving a track from Apple Music for offline use do so?

If so, what precautions can be taken? Backing up my full music collection seems a brute-force approach. Avoiding using Apple Music to stream or attempt to keep for offline use tracks that I already own would be another. That may be impractical, as I can't say with 100% certainty that I have my own tracks locally every time they may get my interest in Apple Music. Surely there would be a practical way to protect your own (honest) rips from being replaced by DRM versions?

1.- No, not at all, streaming doesn't affect your library in any way, it's harmless.

2.- It is supposed to work in this way: Since iTunes detects you already own some songs and that they are locally downloaded in your library already, it should automatically match them to Apple Music. So, in theory, an option to "Add to Your Music" shouldn't even be there, since AM recognizes you already have those songs...

That's in theory, but in practice, the matching algorithm is still so bad that will work half the time, on some songs there won't be an option, but in some other songs, it will let you download, even though you already have those songs in your library...

That's still harmless, because if for reason you download the same song, it will make another copy, it won't replace your original file, so... As long as you do not delete your original files, you are safe.
 
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Soni Sanjay

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No, none at all - I have never kept a copy of my music on my MBP and have always streamed it from iTunes match before Apple Music. All my music remained visible and available when I upgraded to iTunes 12.2 and enabled iCloud music library

Last question: Do you keep a locally downloaded copy elsewhere, in another Mac or PC? or your phone? Or you didn't have any locally downloaded copy elsewhere?
 

Phil A.

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I have a copy of the music on another computer, but not in an iTunes library and I had some of the music downloaded on my iPhone / iPad
 

mistame

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I guess I'm curious now. I have both match + Apple Music. All the stuff that is matched from my local copies gets downloaded with DRM. If that's the way it works while subscribed to Apple Music, fine, but if I don't renew Apple Music after the trial, but keep match, will those same matched tracks download DRM-free? I would think/hope so.
 

Phil A.

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It should download matched music without DRM if you have a match subscription as well as an Apple music subscription (that's how it works for me and others)
 

mistame

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Currently, while subscribed to both, it's always downloading the DRM version, even for songs marked as "uploaded". Perhaps that's a bug?
 

eldervovichka

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Hello All,

I have had iTunes Match from day one. I have been reluctent to sign up for Apple Music becasue of all the issues it has been giving people. After reading lots of the forums, it sounds like the biggest issue for us iTunes Match folks is the DRM? Is that correct?

Thanks, I just want to make sure I have my facts (or at least as much knowledge) before I sign up.

Thanks so much!

Jeff
 

Rigby

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I have had iTunes Match from day one. I have been reluctent to sign up for Apple Music becasue of all the issues it has been giving people. After reading lots of the forums, it sounds like the biggest issue for us iTunes Match folks is the DRM? Is that correct?
Personally, I think the biggest issue is the database corruption that some people experienced. I don't think the DRM thing, if real, is a big deal, since I keep my original files and don't use iTunes Match as a backup (which it was never designed to be).
 
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eldervovichka

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Personally, I think the biggest issue is the database corruption that some people experienced. I don't think the DRM thing, if real, is a big deal, since I keep my original files and don't use iTunes Match as a backup (which it was never designed to be).

Thank you so much. Has the database coruption effected exisitng iTunes Match users? Again, I have searched the forums, and have not found a whole lot.

Thank you again!
 
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nanohits

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Question is can I have iCloud music and itunes match turned on together? Meaning I havent subscribed to iTunes Match. By subscribing to this will it help?
 

markhort

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Bought an various artists album off iTunes last night, while it was downloading it's completely messed up. All the tracks are all over the place. Separated off into different albums. It's changed album art of other albums which have nothing to do with the one I've just bought.

Apple Music now thinks the album is Kisstory 2014 on my iPhone and iPad. What the hell is going on Apple! Wish I didn't download iTunes 12.2. Been a massive pain ever since.
 

eldervovichka

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Jul 6, 2008
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I was at Apple getting a new 3TB Fusion Hard Drive in my iMac.... the Genius said that he had iTunes Match and used Apple Music and everything was fine for him. So I took the plunge and signed up.... nothing out of place. When I download iTunes Match is goes into my iTunes Music Folder (DRM Free) if I download something from Apple Music it goes to a new Apple Music Folder in iTunes Music Folder (with DRM). Seems to be working amazing!!!!

I feel bad for those who it has messed up their iTunes, when iTunes Match first came out, it messed up most of my music, I worked hard to put it back together....

Have a Happy 4th!!!!!
 
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wildonrio

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I just have one question for those who now consider themselves expert on this subject: If I keep my iTunes Match, can I offload songs on Apple Music that I have *not* purchased, have iTunes Match match them to something on iTunes, and then I get to keep that song as my own, even after I cancel my Apple Music subscription?
 
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zhenya

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No. Only songs that originally reside DRM free on your local computer can be matched (although it doesn't care, doesn't know where you get them from originally). Anything you download while subscribing to Apple Music is DRM encoded.
 

Dark Void

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I doubt I am the first person to think of this, but can DRM Apple Music songs that are added to a library for offline listening also be added to custom playlists which will allow you to burn said playlists? Or does DRM prevent that along with simply syncing it to an iPod or iOS device?
 

Soni Sanjay

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I doubt I am the first person to think of this, but can DRM Apple Music songs that are added to a library for offline listening also be added to custom playlists which will allow you to burn said playlists? Or does DRM prevent that along with simply syncing it to an iPod or iOS device?

It doesn't let you burn a CD if it detects you have an Apple Music file.
 
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