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There're plenty of movies with 1080P, so far as I could see. More will be added daily. Almost all the new releases n the AppleTV are 1080p
 
There're plenty of movies with 1080P, so far as I could see. More will be added daily. Almost all the new releases n the AppleTV are 1080p

Is this from the Canadian iTunes store? I just checked all the new releases and pre-orders...TinTin, Hugo, Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, Young Adult, Three Muskiteers...none of those are in 1080p...just 720p.

OR, is this going straight from the Apple TV?
 
Is this from the Canadian iTunes store? I just checked all the new releases and pre-orders...TinTin, Hugo, Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, Young Adult, Three Muskiteers...none of those are in 1080p...just 720p.

OR, is this going straight from the Apple TV?

Straight fm AppleTV, young adult, moneyball, and three others I checked were 1080p. I think Mr Lazar was also 1080p. Melancholia wasn't, which was the only one from those I looked at. Oh ya, the descendant 1080p. So quite a bit on itunes Canada
 
Straight fm AppleTV, young adult, moneyball, and three others I checked were 1080p. I think Mr Lazar was also 1080p. Melancholia wasn't, which was the only one from those I looked at. Oh ya, the descendant 1080p. So quite a bit on itunes Canada

Ok, thanks! I'm thinking that right now, you just can't download 1080p onto your computer from desktop iTunes. If they are available through AppleTV at 1080p to rent, then that's good enough for now!

Mine is being delivered on Tuesday, so I haven't been able to check. Thanks!
 
Maybe 1080P versions don't show up on itunes on computer, but do show up on the ATV. Does anyone have the ATV hooked up - and have you checked?
 
So I'm taking it Apple doesn't want us to store the 1080P movies on the computer and stream it to the :apple: TV but to stream it off of iCloud... that's pretty dumb, imo.
 
So I'm taking it Apple doesn't want us to store the 1080P movies on the computer and stream it to the :apple: TV but to stream it off of iCloud... that's pretty dumb, imo.

I don't think it's Apple's call.
The studios decide which movies get to be released how and in which region.
In addition, there's competing interests between cable/satellite & online providers.

Notice how some movies come in & out of the iTunes store and some are just available to buy or rent or both. The licensing for each country is different. Look at how Netflix differs between US & Canada in their catalog. At least Netflix charges the same rate.

In the iTunes store, Canadians pay a $1 premium over the US to rent movies, despite both currencies hovering around parity +/- 3% for some time now. As usual, we pay more for less, eh ?
 
Where to start...

Indeed....

Bit rate is not the be all and end all. As Ars points out, Apple have started using the more advanced CPU intensive compression algorithms in h264 that are part of the high profile settings. These take it up to near blue ray quality in most situations. Comparing h264 high profile with mpeg2 compression as used on DVDs is silly. That's like comparing mp3 to AAC.

blu ray uses the same mpeg 4 as apple, but still gives you 10 times the bitrate. Trading time for space doesn't get you all that far.

As for audio, apple send through an unaltered Dolby digital AC3 track at 5.1, although not as good as DTS or 7.1 it is the bees knees for 98% of people.

So you're agreeing it's a crippled fake-HD, but saying it's fine because 98% of people don't know what they're getting?

I've been playing thousands of ripped DVDs for years on my ATVs, just convert them to mp4 containers. Nothing magical about it. I watch tv daily on it, just use eyetv to record and encode, then watch the recording, admittedly not live, which is a pain, but that's what the tv tuner is for, although I'd like it if eyetv could stream live tv to the ATV.

This is just my point, why do you have to go through those silly hoops because apple doesn't want you to use it normally? I watch ripped DVDs on my computer by opening them in my DVD player app...no conversions, no special apps, no hassle.

As for your normal TV comment, that makes me think your whole post is a troll. You actually think using a separate computer to record and encode TV then store it on that separate computer and stream it on your network to the atv is in any way comparable to pressing a button on your remote control and watching live tv in real time? That really destroyed any credibility you may have had.



Exactly, you do understand. It's not the resolution that counts, it's the compression algorithms. Anyone can compress 1080p down to almost nothing, and still say it is 1080p, but on movement is just macro blocks. The key here is that apple hasn't done that, they are using decent compression, and it does actually look good on paid for apple downloads (they are not streamed). Don't judge it on the previews.

The key here is apple has done just that; did you even look at the samples posted on this site? Especially the sky one; the Apple version was all chunky and discoloured.

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Some websites have already reported on a visual comparison of blu-ray and ATV 1080P video quality, and report that they're pretty close. However, as earlier poster remarked, there is also the issue of sound - blu-ray is better - but not important for all movies. And I wouldn't want to buy/rent a blu-ray for every movie I want to see.

This is so funny. You say the video is pretty close, I looked at the samples and say its not even close, but either way we agree it's not as good to some degree. You agree the apple sound is substantially worse.

Yet you say it's okay because some movies you don't care about quality? Why not?

Plus blu ray is generally cheaper than apple's store.

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As for apple providing streams/downloads it is harder since they can't provide both DTS and ac3 without wasting/compromising bandwidth, so they have to stick to the lowest common denomitor.

This exactly. So Apple gives you the lowest possible stream which is fine for people who want the cheapest playback equipment and don't care about quality or a premium experience. Yet Apple calls their crippled-quality streams HD quality which is just dishonest for what you get.

Oh wait, aren't you the guys who say apple charges more because they cater to people who want the premium experience and are willing to pay for it?

You're drowning in hypocrisy.
 
If you look at the requirements to download/play 1080P from iTunes you need a C2D 2.4 or better Mac, my late 09 MBP doesn't meet these specs at 2.26 C2D, that seems pretty ridiculous, guess I'll stick with blu ray Apple.

My 2.26 C2D MBP doesn't seem to have any problems with it.
 
the 1080p streaming is a joke. It's a lower datarate than DVD, and more pixels just mean more artifacts. Plus with the cheap stereo sound, why even bother? The 7.1 sound on a blu-ray alone takes more bandwidth than apple's whole fake-HD stream and it's worth every byte.

On the other hand, atv still won't sync with an apple bluetooth keyboard to make searching easier, it won't play a ripped DVD library, won't let you watch actual TV, and is pretty much useless for anything except watching crap-quality apple streams that cost more than just buying the DVD.

Expecting 1080p to mean something is like expecting a 14mp pos camera to take better pictures than a 4mp pos camera. Pixels doesn't automatically mean better and anyone who thinks apple 1080p is anywhere near blu-ray even at 720p or even DVD 480p is an idiot.

The problem is not the resolution, but the compression. It needs to be compressed (too much IMHO) to pass through most people "Internet pipes".
Although I think my connection would support much higher bitrates (les compression), I would reach my bandwidth limit, although from what I read Apple improved on their H.264 codec so that 1080p doesn't take that much more bandwidth (link).

That being said, I still ordered one. At 109$ it's kind of a low rick purchase. And mostly because there are a few kids shows on NetFlix that the kids watch and will move the 720p one in their room and will use the new 1080p one with the big screen TV.

When we get 1080p content, I will be ready. But my "algorithm" for choosing Blueray vs iTunes/NetFlix will still stand:
- Epic movies (LOTR, SW, etc), Animation, etc: Blueray
- Others: streaming is fine
 
The problem is not the resolution, but the compression. It needs to be compressed (too much IMHO) to pass through most people "Internet pipes".
Although I think my connection would support much higher bitrates (les compression), I would reach my bandwidth limit, although from what I read Apple improved on their H.264 codec so that 1080p doesn't take that much more bandwidth (link).

That's all true and states the problem well. My conclusion is it makes itunes streaming useless and because apple's control freaks want to lock you in, it makes the atv a doa product when it could be great with better firmware (or jailbroken).

I can see your point of view (blu ray for epics, atv for small movies), but I just don't understand the majority here who seem to think just being apple means it's the best for all purposes.
 
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I decided to buy it - was available at local Best Buy. I have several Blu-rays so i'm gonna compare by renting a couple of the same movies from itunes. Avatar would have been good comparison but its not for rent on Itunes.

For movies big on special effects - Avatar, Saving Private Ryan and the like - I prefer the best quality. If the ATV comes very close, then I'll be happy, because its more convenient to instant stream versus going to store to rent blu-rays.
 
For movies big on special effects - Avatar, Saving Private Ryan and the like - I prefer the best quality. If the ATV comes very close, then I'll be happy, because its more convenient to instant stream versus going to store to rent blu-rays.

renting physical movies is *so* 5 years ago! look at what happened to blockbuster!
 
Ok...so I just got my Apple TV and hooked it up. MOST movies are available for rent in 1080p...you just can't seem to buy them through the iTunes store yet.
 
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