I've decided to Return my M3 Pro 14" 12Core model.

[TheRealAlex]

#1. M4 Pro with 2nd Gen Ray Tracing Cores and Thunderbolt 5 will make the M3 SKU's lacking across the board
#2. I can't stand the ghosting text. Don't believe me Go to BestBuy.com and scroll up and down the White or yellow text on the Blue background.
#3. Just got a 240Hz OLED Gaming Laptop display made by Samsung has ruined me. On the MSI GE67HX
#4. Don't need 2 laptops
#5. Black Color isn't "Black"
#6. M3 Pro is a nerfed CPU cut down cores, reduced bandwidth. Once I researched it didn't like what I found.
#7. WiFi 7 is a Must have going forward.

 

[smirking]

You should wait for the M8. Why? It sounds cool. That's all.

 

[Pressure]

Ok 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[MacDevil7334]

Ok, thanks for the update. As others pointed out in your earlier thread on this topic, a MacBook Pro and a gaming laptop really are different tools for different purposes. Sounds like your gaming laptop met your needs better. Glad you found the right tool for you.

Also, why are you dinging the MacBook Pro for not having WiFi 7? Your gaming laptop doesn’t either and WiFi 7 isn’t even a finalized standard yet. Do you own WiFi 7 routers? It honestly sounds from several items on your list that you are spec chasing. What is it you are not getting from Thunderbolt 4 (which is what is on your gaming laptop btw) that will be fixed with Thunderbolt 5?

 

[okkibs]

#1. M4 Pro with 2nd Gen Ray Tracing Cores and Thunderbolt 5 will make the M3 SKU's lacking across the board

*requires time machine to travel to 10-12 months into the future. Besides, once M4 releases you could repeat that argument saying M4 will be lacking compared to M5. Thunderbolt 5 is just incremental improvements, even though the bandwidth is doubled very few external components even make use of TB4 speeds. Since Apple doesn't include all USB protocols you can also end up with external devices limited to the speeds of a compatible fallback USB protocol.

#2. I can't stand the ghosting text.

Fair enough, that problem isn't obvious to discover before purchasing and many people don't notice it. Unfortunately it won't be resolved until they switch away from their custom miniLED display panel which they won't do until they can source something like an OLED panel that can somewhat match the current specs (brightness).

#6. M3 Pro is a nerfed CPU cut down cores, reduced bandwidth. Once I researched it didn't like what I found.

Of course you couldn't have researched that beforehand. There are many reviews that show exactly what performance these devices deliver. How they do it is irrelevant to most customers as long as the performance is as expected. I don't particularly like the M3 chips either but fact is these are pretty much the best laptops on the market.

#7. WiFi 7 is a Must have going forward.

Because everyone got high performance access points with Wifi 6E right now? The only place I can even use Wifi 6 is at home and after covering the house with Wifi 6 I am not going to replace all the APs everytime there's updated models. I have not seen a single Wifi 6 network in the wild, let alone 6E. Many networks are still 2.4GHz-only to this day and of course way too old to support Wifi 6. By the time Wifi 7 is common the M4 Macbooks will already be old tech.

 

[dgdosen]

FWIW

Have you all been reading these reviews of the M3 Pro?

Search Results for “Evaluating M3 Pro” – The Eclectic Light Company

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eclecticlight.co

It makes me think Apple should spin up a fan-less ultra portable with about 4 P-cores and 12 E-Cores...

 

[hovscorpion12]

#1. As far as IO ports, Apple has rarely ever been in the front end of tech. I don't expect TB5 to be implemented in Macs for at least another 3 years. I don't see TB5 being a priority for Apple.

#1a. As far as Ray Tracing, this is not for gaming. Apple's M3 RT cores are designed first for game development, rather than gameplay. There are zero games for Apple Silicon that have ray tracing options. Even if RE4 Remake does ship with ray tracing, one game out of thousands makes no difference. Nvidia is and will always be king of Ray Tracing. The sheer number of Cuda Cores Nvidia GPUs have is unmatched and I don't see any manufacture beating Nvidia.

#2. Never saw this on my 2021 MacBook Pro after 3 years, M2 15" after 6 Months or my 14" M3 Pro after 2 months. I have to cast a percentage of doubt to this claim. Could be because everything I look at is a black background.

#3-4 can't make a claim to these.

#6. Personal preference. I have a Base model 14" M3 Pro [11-core CPU/14 GPU] and it works extremely well for me. It's been handling multi 4K streams on Final Cut with ease. 4 Excel files+2 MS word files no issues. As far as 3D and coding, it can be slow, but I did not but it to do code specifically.

#7. Again, personal preference. Wi-fi 7 is not a universal requirements for everyone, nor is it a high priority for Apple. I myself have Wi-Fi 5 and have been function just perfectly.

 

[Flash1420]

I mean I returned my 14-inch M3 Pro (12-Core model) for the 16-inch model and I am much happier now.

 

[okkibs]

Never saw this on my 2021 MacBook Pro after 3 years

Especially those first gen panels have bad ghosting, it's very real and there are many threads here discussing the issue providing videos as well. Unless you have another monitor with faster response times to compare it to you might not see it and it certainly does not bother me. This ghosting as well as the blooming issues are the two main problems with Apple's miniLED displays and will both be resolved if/once Apple switches their Macbooks over to OLED.

 

[Makisupa Policeman]

What chip are you coming off of OP? M1 was the giant leap forward; I’m not entirely wow’d by M3 but Mx gains are going to very incremental moving forward anyway.

Honestly if you have a M1/M2 machine currently there’s not a lot of reason to upgrade until it’s no longer supported, unless there’s some new features you absolutely must have, or maybe you just love that shiny new space black color so much you can’t live without it.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

#1. M4 Pro with 2nd Gen Ray Tracing Cores and Thunderbolt 5 will make the M3 SKU's lacking across the board
#2. I can't stand the ghosting text. Don't believe me Go to BestBuy.com and scroll up and down the White or yellow text on the Blue background.
#3. Just got a 240Hz OLED Gaming Laptop display made by Samsung has ruined me. On the MSI GE67HX
#4. Don't need 2 laptops
#5. Black Color isn't "Black"
#6. M3 Pro is a nerfed CPU cut down cores, reduced bandwidth. Once I researched it didn't like what I found.
#7. WiFi 7 is a Must have going forward.

Bye.

 

[Reached]

I think you should wait for Wifi 9, it's going to be much better!

 

[killhippie]

As has been mentioned WiFi 7 us not finalised and with Wi-Fi 7 routers costing at the moment up to £700 or more, they can keep them at that price. I beta test routers in my spare time as and when when I can and my Wi-Fi 6E router would cost £550. Stupid prices, I mean I can send on Wi-Fi 6E in theory 1.2Gbps on 2.4Ghz on 4800Mbps on 5Ghz but that only leave two channels spare so I have it set lower and 4800Mbps on 6Ghz and 6E devices (6E having the range or a sneeze in fog)

The current crop of expensive draft 7 routers seem to do about 17Gbps well under the supossed 40Gbps. Now thats across all bands, my 6E does 9.6Gbps across all bands in a lab I imagine, but I don't even use that much bandwidth, but I also didn't pay for that router at that crazy price or £549 or $694 US. (You keep beta test devices with this comany but I can't say the name because of a NDA)

I dont know anyone who needs that much throughput in a home. You can get 6E routers that are cheaper but they are slower but a decent WI-Fi 5 router works well still. Cost of wifi 7 is prohibitive for most people. Unless you are sending data around your at those speeds or want the ultra low latency the current routers if still supported will be just fine, so unless you buy wifi 7 for bragging rights, even Wi-Fi 6 is more than enough. So saying your M3 Pro should be wifi 7 is in my view not a reason to return.

This seems more like buyers remorse really and a list to justify it. I really dont mean any offence many people have done the same thing including myself, now I wait till I need the current new shiny or not so black device, rather than just wanting it because its new.

 

[Apple_Robert]

As has been mentioned WiFi 7 us not finalised and with Wi-Fi 7 routers costing at the moment up to £700 or more, they can keep them at that price. I beta test routers in my spare time as and when when I can and my Wi-Fi 6E router would cost £550. Stupid prices, I mean I can send on Wi-Fi 6E in theory 1.2Gbps on 2.4Ghz on 4800Mbps on 5Ghz but that only leave two channels spare so I have it set lower and 4800Mbps on 6Ghz and 6E devices (6E having the range or a sneeze in fog)

The current crop of expensive draft 7 routers seem to do about 17Gbps well under the supossed 40Gbps. Now thats across all bands, my 6E does 9.6Gbps across all bands in a lab I imagine, but I don't even use that much bandwidth, but I also didn't pay for that router at that crazy price or £549 or $694 US. (You keep beta test devices with this comany but I can't say the name because of a NDA)

I dont know anyone who needs that much throughput in a home. You can get 6E routers that are cheaper but they are slower but a decent WI-Fi 5 router works well still. Cost of wifi 7 is prohibitive for most people. Unless you are sending data around your at those speeds or want the ultra low latency the current routers if still supported will be just fine, so unless you buy wifi 7 for bragging rights, even Wi-Fi 6 is more than enough. So saying your M3 Pro should be wifi 7 is in my view not a reason to return.

This seems more like buyers remorse really and a list to justify it. I really dont mean any offence many people have done the same thing including myself, now I wait till I need the current new shiny or not so black device, rather than just wanting it because its new.

It is definitely buyers remorse.

M3 Pro owners, will you be upset if the M4 Pro embarrasses the M3 Pro ?

I’m loving my M3 Pro, but I got a Gaming Laptop for a deal on Black Friday which makes the M3 Pro redundant. Should I keep my M3 Pro or wait for the M4 Pro next year ?

forums.macrumors.com

 

[xraydoc]

It is definitely buyers remorse.

M3 Pro owners, will you be upset if the M4 Pro embarrasses the M3 Pro ?

I’m loving my M3 Pro, but I got a Gaming Laptop for a deal on Black Friday which makes the M3 Pro redundant. Should I keep my M3 Pro or wait for the M4 Pro next year ?

forums.macrumors.com

Crazy to think that the M4 would be better than the M3! Who would have thought?

With this much trouble buying a computer, how could anyone ever buy a car... knowing that the 2024 model will be better than the 2023 model?

 

[hovscorpion12]

Technology changes yearly. Sometimes even every 6-months. If the current product doesn’t meet your needs, the one next year is not going to either. Or the year after that. The “perfect“ laptop doesn’t exist and never will.

 

[jav6454]

#1. M4 Pro with 2nd Gen Ray Tracing Cores and Thunderbolt 5 will make the M3 SKU's lacking across the board
#2. I can't stand the ghosting text. Don't believe me Go to BestBuy.com and scroll up and down the White or yellow text on the Blue background.
#3. Just got a 240Hz OLED Gaming Laptop display made by Samsung has ruined me. On the MSI GE67HX
#4. Don't need 2 laptops
#5. Black Color isn't "Black"
#6. M3 Pro is a nerfed CPU cut down cores, reduced bandwidth. Once I researched it didn't like what I found.
#7. WiFi 7 is a Must have going forward.

#1. Ok, that's always the case with any tech
#2. Thank you for the statement.
#3. Why do you need 240Hz?
#4. Thank you for the statement.
#5. Define
#6. Like?
#7. Do you have a bandwidth that will surpass 6E's bandwidth capabilities?

 

[kc9hzn]

Crazy to think that the M4 would be better than the M3! Who would have thought?

With this much trouble buying a computer, how could anyone ever buy a car... knowing that the 2024 model will be better than the 2023 model?

Or computers from the dawn of the transistor…

(Though I did have a coworker less than ten years ago that absolutely refused to buy a smartphone or desktop more or less because future models would be better. Instead, she’d buy a new [cheap] Tracfone whenever some deal for phone+a ton of minutes came up on QVC or the like. Yeah, I never really understood it, either.)

 

[kp98077]

I like my 14 m3, however, not sure if its my internet but it doesn't seem all that fast to be honest. Is there a good way to tell?

 

[Apple_Robert]

I like my 14 m3, however, not sure if its my internet but it doesn't seem all that fast to be honest. Is there a good way to tell?

Open Terminal and input
networkquality -v

 

[mdhaus72]

I like my 14 m3, however, not sure if its my internet but it doesn't seem all that fast to be honest. Is there a good way to tell?

Have you run a speed test on the Mac? See how it compares to other devices on your network (ie, also run a speed test on your cellphone if it's connected to your Wifi network).

 

[kp98077]

Have you run a speed test on the Mac? See how it compares to other devices on your network (ie, also run a speed test on your cellphone if it's connected to your Wifi network).

I usually am one of those who dont rely on running metrics but I may have to now do you mean like speeedtest.net? or similar?

 

[kp98077]

Open Terminal and input
networkquality -v

sorry, not too well versed on all this, what does this mean or how to do it

 

[Apple_Robert]

sorry, not too well versed on all this, what does this mean or how to do it

Open your Terminal app on the Mac and then paste that command in and hit enter. It will show you the quality and speed of your internet connect on your Mac.

 

[kp98077]

Open your Terminal app on the Mac and then past that command in and hit enter. It will show you the quality and speed of your internet connect on your Mac.

past the command? Not sure i follow