Hysterical - I'm only occasionally on MacRumors forum (but have been since...forever), and saw the title as I was poking around considering picking up an M1 or M2 Max.
Of course - the title of the thread itself was basically 'pure joy' followed by shock at the first post, with the debate still ongoing. I consider it a huge win for most that Ive 'thin at any cost' is now long gone.
Back when I needed to replace my 2015MBP 16" (16GB 1TB), Apple had no compelling reasonable options for me:
1. No options for more memory in a PRO machine.
2. Loss of numerous ports used often sacrificed at the altar of stupid
3. Sacrificing the ESC key used OFTEN by many code editors and other tools for the Touch Bar, which I was generally indifferent on, but was of true negative value if it meant removing the tactile ESC key.
4. Worse by all standards butterfly keyboard.
All in all - I nearly had to get off of Macs for my use, as there was no possible way I was going to STILL have the out of memory issues just to add storage but lose my ESC key, ports, and get a crappier, less reliable keyboard - and pay through the nose for it. Nope.
No clue what Gudi's last post is on about - it's a non issue if people who don't need higher specced or special purpose PRO systems want something crazy thin, light, etc. - all good. But that was not where Apple spent it's timing growing users of many kinds for professional use, it's a different customer segment, and the 'thin at all costs,' lack of Mac Pro updates forever pretty much forced a bunch of 'pro' users which helped keep apple afloat before the whole 'buy apple, it's cool' trends kicked in.
Thin and light are great, right up until capability or functionality people need from their specific use cases, is impacted in a negative way.
Finally, I caved with a 2019 16" MBP when they brought back a better, working keyboard and offered higher RAM options, which in general has been a decent machine, but of course, we'll just go with Apple does not really do 'pro' thermals well, especially with hot Intel chips. They did a decent job and it fared better than the 'airplane taking off' from prior MBPs, but of course sat there with 20W constant Radeon draw because OMG - I wanted both the laptop screen and an external display. Amusingly this seems to have been finally fixed (power consumption should be around half or less of that, looong debated, documented issue neither AMD nor Apple would fess up to as an issue).
Good riddance to Ive; I hope the door did kick him on the way out and that Apple separates consumer and pro divisions when it comes to their relative priorities instead of same priority (e.g. thinnest and lightest possible) for very different uses.
