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Sorry but this is classic child like thinking. Two wrong doesn't make one right. If corporations are stealing, you should protest against them. The answer is not to - also steal a little bit off them where you can get away with it.
Juno didn't steal, it's just a web browser that modifies only the Youtube webpage to alter the looks. There is nothing wrong with that, all kinds of browser plugins already does that
 
It's hard to argue what could have been. I can only base my arguments on what has actually happened, and it does seem like 10+ years later, Apple has handled the removal of google maps pretty well. Google could have played along and remained the pre-installed default on my iPhone, yet instead I am content using Maps, which is pretty fully featured here in Singapore (and maybe falling back on google maps only at times when Maps doesn't suffice, such as Asian countries like Indonesia).

Also, I suspect that at the time, smartphones were still new enough that Apple may just have been able to get away without a maps app (or at least, a fully-featured mapping solution at the time). The strength of their fanbase could have bought them enough time to come up with their own, and it would still be the same outcome today. Again, speaking from experience, my first iPhone was the 4s, and Google Maps was already fairly crippled by then, and even then, I rarely had a need for a native maps app because I don't drive and the smartphone wasn't yet so integrated into my daily life.

For me at least, I would still have gotten an iPhone regardless. Maps or no Maps.


Well, YouTube can still be viewed in Safari, and the Play App is available. So there is at least still a way of accessing and playing YouTube videos.


This is also why I support Apple having their own music streaming service. If Spotify doesn't want to play ball, well, no biggie for Apple.

And who knows. Maybe one day, we may get another service for easily accessing spatial video content, though hosting costs may be an issue. Either way, it's still early days, and I wouldn't count Apple, or the Vision Pro, out of the game just yet.


The vast majority of apps in the App Store are either free or ad-supported and make Apple no money. So yes, plenty already are.

From what I remember Google maps was basically looking up info for me. For navigation it was navigon.

Still all this is on apple. They can negotiate to get whatever they like on any of their platforms.
 
What does Apple even have to do with this? And this issue is with YouTube as a platform, not with Google or Apple as gatekeepers.
Apple has got to do a lot with this.
Just ask yourself and try to answer two simple questions:

1. Is the Juno app legal or not? Does its use to display a web site violate any laws, and if so if, which ones? I certainly haven’t read anything from you suggesting that it’s illegal (quite the contrary, actually)

2. If it’s not illegal, what - or rather who - is now stopping Selig from distributing his app and continuing his service to humanity (Vision-Pro-owning YouTube users)?

Bonus question:

3. Why is a popular internet video downloader app like Downie ”only available within the EU for iOS devices?
 
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Google being greedy ****s and spiteful because they still won’t simply toggle on the “compatable with” option. This is why I hate Google, and Android products.
 
Google being greedy ****s and spiteful because they still won’t simply toggle on the “compatable with” option. This is why I hate Google, and Android products.

Why would it be in Google's business interest to prop up Apple's failed VR platform?

Even just allowing iPad compatibility apps on AVP will create costs by having to write documentation, legal paperwork, testing, training their support staff to deal with a whole new platform ...
 
1. Is the Juno app legal or not? Does its use to display a web site violate any laws, and if so if, which ones? I certainly haven’t read anything from you suggesting that it’s illegal (quite the contrary, actually)
Youtube seems to think that Juno violates its developer guidelines, so now it's Christian's word against theirs.
2. If it’s not illegal, what - or rather who - is now stopping Selig from distributing his app and continuing his service to humanity (Vision-Pro-owning YouTube users)?
The threat of a legal dispute from Google, for one.

For example, this forum likes to argue that emulators are not illegal per se, but that clearly has not stopped Nintendo from suing developers, or even creators who upload content about it.



I am guessing you want me to say something along the lines of "if iOS allowed sideloading, Christian Selig could still make his app available on the web for people to download", but if Google really wants to take down the app, the openness or closeness of iOS really won't make a difference here.
3. Why is a popular internet video downloader app like Downie ”only available within the EU for iOS devices?
Their webpage will only say that Downie is not compatible with iOS App Store guidelines, and I can't find enough information on said app to comment more on it. I can only say that YouTube downloader apps in general are not allowed in the iOS App Store, possibly because Youtube wants to promote their own Premium service.

Sorry, so what's your point again?
 
Google using YouTube as a weapon against platforms. They did exactly the same with Windows Phone. It’s about time YouTube was divested from Google. Typical anti-competitive behaviour.
 
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