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What do you think Steve Jobs has in plan for the MBA?


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Scottsdale

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Arguments are either valid or invalid, and they aren't rendered so based on your opinion. Saying that an argument is invalid "In your opinion" doesn't make any sense.



Again, you haven't made a case for what the intended market for the MBA is. You are simply fabricating a target market that suits your position and stating that it is in fact the target market.

This is a conclusion, not an argument. Taking your own ideas of what the MBA is and extrapolating that to the intended market is reaching.

Based on your analysis, anyone who does not use the MBA as their primary Mac is not the intended market. I think it is obvious that this one doesn't work, as the MBA is much more a complimentary device than a MBP.

You used a disjunction after this one, so I assume the following is a separate market.

Based on your analysis, people who need a "real computing" notebook as their primary notebook will choose a Macbook Air over a more capable Macbook Pro. And this is somehow the intended market?

You used a conjunction here, but given the flow I take it that this is also intended to be a separate market.

The only bit you got right is those wanting an ultraportable, since that was Apple's intended market (keynote).

Notice anything familiar about that last one? It is very similar to the intended market I mentioned that the MBA and iPad fit into.

"Those who want an ultraportable device." Which one is chosen is based on what you do. With such a widely defined market, I cannot be wrong. However, it is clear that Apple just wants to sell products, so the intended market game is a fools game.

Why create these narrow markets based on what you think or "feel" about the MBA? Nowadays, picking a computer is about determining what can do the tasks I want for the least amount of money. And then we add constraints, otherwise no one could logically pick a Mac!

So, maybe you want it to be really portable or maybe you don't care. Maybe you want it to be something from Apple. From the items that match your criteria, you determine which one suits your needs best. Apple is creating products that fit the generic criteria people have, and that criteria can lead you to a few products.

The decision is made based on what you do and what will accomplish those tasks the best. In reality, many of your criteria may not be feasible. Demanding fast video editing and an ultraportable may not get you the best machine for the job, but if that portable criteria is the most important you have to settle.

The point is, Apple is not saying: "The MBA is for these people: *list* ."

They are saying "Here is an (ultra)portable notebook from us, running OS X."

It is up to the consumer to determine what they need.

Um, I am not even going to respond. Best wishes with your beliefs.
 

Jayomat

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Um, I am not even going to respond. Best wishes with your beliefs.

Although you already responded, your "answer" seems pretty childish, as he made some valid points which you decided just to ignore,... whatever the reason is...

and while I don't think the iPad and the MBA are aimed at the same market, simply because they both run completely different apps (yes, there is 'iWork',X and Y for iPad, but where is Eclipse, TexShop and Acrobat for the iPad?), at least his last the lines are very true..
 

Scottsdale

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Although you already responded, your "answer" seems pretty childish, as he made some valid points which you decided just to ignore,... whatever the reason is...

and while I don't think the iPad and the MBA are aimed at the same market, simply because they both run completely different apps (yes, there is 'iWork',X and Y for iPad, but where is Eclipse, TexShop and Acrobat for the iPad?), at least his last the lines are very true..

I decided to ignore because of the intended insults and personal attacks in multiple posts and threads. It's certainly not worth my time to waste my life on people who don't respect people. From now on when people make these remarks, or call me OR OTHERS names on these forums, I will just stop responding. There has to be a better way to communicate without insulting people; I intend to make this my new policy on these forums. People can debate people without insulting them or calling them names. It has happened several times with calderone, and I am done with that poster.

I am here to have fun and debate topics. I am not here to make fun of people, nor call them names, nor try to insult them, nor generally act in a negative manner. I am all about debating without personal attacks or even minor insults that add up to something more. It is just unfortunate that some don't enjoy debate and would prefer to insult people to "win" arguments than generally debate with others.

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Just to clarify... I am taking this position based not just on anything done towards me but from the users' who do attempt to insult, attack, or otherwise criticize any forum member in these threads.

In these forums, it is completely up to the forum members to determine what we find acceptable practice. I have received warnings lately for multiple posts, and "irrelevant" posts; I add more info and arguments to my post than most here, and I get called out for something that isn't even in any way an attack against another member. I find it disgusting as there are people getting away with calling people terrible names, blatantly insulting members, and otherwise making personal attacks instead of "debating positions." We should all be here to have fun and debate in good spirits without personally attacking others for their viewpoints, the way they make their arguments, or their English, grammar, word usage, and etc. It's not fun when this is the highlight of these posts.

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One last thing I failed to point out. Jayomat called me "childish" for not wanting to add to the problems here. So we're all "childish" if we wish to condone others that make personal insults and even go so far as to publicly criticize fellow members by stating they have "below grade school level abilities."
 

pharmx

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Although you already responded, your "answer" seems pretty childish, as he made some valid points which you decided just to ignore,... whatever the reason is...

and while I don't think the iPad and the MBA are aimed at the same market, simply because they both run completely different apps (yes, there is 'iWork',X and Y for iPad, but where is Eclipse, TexShop and Acrobat for the iPad?), at least his last the lines are very true..


Not to put words into Scottsdale's mouth, but he probably didn't respond because calderone's post made no sense. Exactly which points do you think were valid? His last 3 lines are precisely the reason why the post/viewpoint is invalid, or at best confusing:

The point is, Apple is not saying: "The MBA is for these people: *list* ."

They are saying "Here is an (ultra)portable notebook from us, running OS X."

It is up to the consumer to determine what they need.

Regarding line 1: Of course Apple is not saying "The MBA is for these people". That would be silly, and is not what is implied when referring to a product's "intended market". Products are designed with a certain population in mind, and it is that group that is deemed the intended market. If people outside that niche population purchase the product, that can only be a good thing since it increases sales. However, some things that would need to be evaluated are: the original assessment of the target populations size (and the implications it has on ROI), the reason why people outside the target population are considering it an option (is there an unmet need that is not being catered to by the other product lines), and whether the product needs to be repositioned in the market .

Regarding line 2: That is exactly the point...there is no other ultra-portable that runs Mac OSX. The 13" MBP is not ultra-portable, and the iPad runs iPhone OS.

Regarding line 3: Well, I don't really refute this point, but I do think that often times consumers make decisions based on what they want instead of what they need. Nothing really wrong with that either, but computer tech is confusing enough for people familiar with it, never mind the average consumer.
 

gwsat

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Scottsdale -- For what it's worth, I agreed with your short response for which another poster criticized you. The post to which you responded in shorthand form made clear, to me at least, that the poster was rejecting your analysis out of hand and was doing it in a way that seemed so defensive, he wasn't going to hear what you said even if you had gone on. it's just better to bow out as gracefully as you can when another poster seems to have made an issue an affair of the heart.
 

ermir4444

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Ok people i think we should stop the fighting between the members and use the efforts to do some more speculation about the possibility of the MBA @ WWDC.
In my opinion there are 2 scenarios:

1 - Major update with possible case redesign. If this happens there will be one breakthrough feature that will set the MBA appart from the MBP and make it worth use that precious WWDC time.

2 - No update at all. Apple will not introduca a minor update @ WWDC and I am almost sure about this for the simple reason that they could have done that together with the MBP in April. They were upgraded together @ 2009 WWDC and they should have been upgraded together in April. This makes me think that it will either be BOOM MBA or nothing.
 

pharmx

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Ok people i think we should stop the fighting between the members and use the efforts to do some more speculation about the possibility of the MBA @ WWDC.
In my opinion there are 2 scenarios:

1 - Major update with possible case redesign. If this happens there will be one breakthrough feature that will set the MBA appart from the MBP and make it worth use that precious WWDC time.

2 - No update at all. Apple will not introduca a minor update @ WWDC and I am almost sure about this for the simple reason that they could have done that together with the MBP in April. They were upgraded together @ 2009 WWDC and they should have been upgraded together in April. This makes me think that it will either be BOOM MBA or nothing.

+1 MBA forum should be for owners to discuss our likes/dislikes, hopes, and dreams for its evolution...as well as potential buyers looking for first hand experience and information on its advantages and disadvantages. People who think the iPad or MBP makes the MBA useless should express that in their respective (and appropriate) forums....bashing the MBA in an MBA forum (where people people obviously like the MBA) is childish at best. This is not aimed at anyone in particular by the way, I'm just voicing my opinion.

Back on topic (kinda), I think option 1 would be great...especially with cloud computing around the horizon. A device dubbed the "Air" fits in nice with the "cloud" theme. :D
 

thinkdesign

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The 'Air' reminds me of certain car designs that halfway had it together (+ in an innovative way), and halfway did not. The only examples of like that, that I know of, are cars that went extinct. The 1955-60's/+ Citroen DS, the early 50's? The Frazer/Kaiser sedan (with tailgate looking like a normal trunk lid), and the last late 60's/early 70's batch of Triumphs, Austin Healys and the 3rd one in that group, I'm blanking out on. There has to be a "maintainance of effort" to keep an innovative product moving forward to keep it alive. ----- But, Jobs DID mention the Air, in passing, at the "D" event. ----- I just wanted to buy a computer. I didn't sign up for the equivalent of Kremlinology!
 

queshy

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EOL? Are you people nuts? The MBA has been extremely successful. It'll be updated soon, just be patient. Apple is always slow with updates....look at the 30" cinema display...hah.
 

Scottsdale

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Ok people i think we should stop the fighting between the members and use the efforts to do some more speculation about the possibility of the MBA @ WWDC.
In my opinion there are 2 scenarios:

1 - Major update with possible case redesign. If this happens there will be one breakthrough feature that will set the MBA appart from the MBP and make it worth use that precious WWDC time.

2 - No update at all. Apple will not introduca a minor update @ WWDC and I am almost sure about this for the simple reason that they could have done that together with the MBP in April. They were upgraded together @ 2009 WWDC and they should have been upgraded together in April. This makes me think that it will either be BOOM MBA or nothing.

I feel like there are far more than two possibilities at WWDC.

I still believe it's possible to get an MBA update with C2D and Nvidia 320m that is a quiet update and includes larger SSD option and 4 GB RAM.

It completely made sense for Apple to update 13" MBP first. Then, it made even more sense to update the MB as the "Back to School" promo started this week.

It would not be impossible that the MBA was just last of the Mac notebooks to get the same update as soon as the inventories of 13" MBP and MB could meet demand. Then the MBA would go to production. A C2D MBA with Nvidia 320m isn't going to warrant an update at WWDC and it still makes the most sense to me. Apple is all about this MacFive strategy. I also see the Mac mini and 21.5" iMac getting updates with the Nvidia 320m strategy. Surely Apple will get the MBA out of the way first or all of these together maybe as a quick announcement at WWDC or even a quiet update the week after WWDC.

Now there's also the possibility of Apple introducing an MBA that is exactly the same case and C2D and Nvidia 320m at WWDC but they're adding one new service offering with it. This would happen if Apple has something else to introduce added to it. I still believe the Verizon partnership has to start somewhere and a 3G/4G LTE Verizon card could find its way into the MBA first to "test" the waters so to speak. It's also possible Apple partners again with AT&T with its new $25 2 GB service without contracts on the MBAs with a simple 3G card added to the MBA.

Then there's also the possibilities that were previously mentioned by you as #1 and #2.

I feel that there's a lot of hope here. I really think it makes sense to put the Nvidia 320m, along with 4 GB RAM, and larger SSD in the MBA now. All of us MBA buyers would absolutely jump for an MBA that just had more RAM and SSD. We mostly feel the Nvidia 320m is amazing, and C2D does the job just fine.

There's also the idea you had (#1) of a major update to the MBA at WWDC. It makes a lot of sense to prove that Apple still gives a damn about the future of the Macs. The MBA is the most portable/mobile Mac that runs OS X. We all know it's a different market than the iPad anyways (whether all agree with us or not is unimportant). Apple could amaze us with a Core i7 ULV overclocked with a discrete option, or a LV Core i7 with sole use of Intel's GMA (probably more likely than discrete). A major update to the MBA's case (like carbon fiber) might make sense too, as Apple can see what the reaction is to lighter weight Mac notebooks via eliminating aluminum.

Apple could also do something really innovative that none of us can calculate. I feel like an LCD/iPhone like trackpad integrated with the Macs makes a lot of sense. They could also use the MBA to introduce a new cooling technology as their patents describe. They might even be able to fit LV and discrete chips in the MBA if they could cool them. They might have a super battery, or they could be a touchscreen display (although I completely discount that personally, but some insist). I even think there's the possibility of an OLED or 3D display in the MBA. Apple could leverage its LG partnership and introducing a 13" display is a lot cheaper when mass developed than 15" and 17" displays required in MBPs. Maybe it's just an IPS display in the MBA first.

Finally, it all comes down to the MBA being an ultraportable AND a LUXURY Mac. Apple can do just about anything and test the strategy with the MBA. None of us knows whether it would be ready by WWDC or not. There is something to all the MBA rumors, but we don't know what it is. Could be minor update day of WWDC along with Mac mini and 21.5" iMac. Apple could do that and introduce all as a quick note after introducing a new Mac Pro.

The important thing is Apple needs to be incredibly innovative with at least one Mac update at WWDC. It could be the Mac Pro. But no matter what, I have to believe something is coming. Most of us realize Apple is about mobility and it's going to leverage its OS X position along with iPhone OS products. There is no reason not to have an incredible MBA that competes along with ultraportables and luxury computers just as the v 2,1 MBA was innovative and future tech when introduced in October 2008. Apple knows how to make a killer ultraportable. And it could provide just about anything it wants because it will just raise the price of the MBA to offset the tech costs.

We have five days... actually 4.5 days remaining until WWDC. I just hope we're all celebrating and crying tears of shear joy after the announcements. As we are all enduring the long wait for an incredible new MBA... or even just a simple update with 4 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD, and Nvidia 320m. Believe me, they will be tears of joy whether it's a big update with discrete GPU and two RAM slots or 4 GB RAM and an Nvidia 320m. We know we're fans here... no criticizing our wishes for WWDC.
 

gwsat

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I feel like there are far more than two possibilities at WWDC.

I still believe it's possible to get an MBA update with C2D and Nvidia 320m that is a quiet update and includes larger SSD option and 4 GB RAM.

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Then there's also the possibilities that were previously mentioned by you as #1 and #2 [to wit: either there will be a major redesign or no update at all].
If Apple decides to offer an updated MBA with the C2D chip, integrated NVIDIA 320m GPU, and a 256Gb SSD I'll probably swallow my disappointment and buy one anyway. But if Apple sticks with the 128Gb SSD I certainly won't be buying an updated MBA, even if it does offer an improved CPU and GPU. Obviously, if Apple does nothing in the near future, which is certainly a viable possibility, I'll have to continue to wait anyway.
 

thinkdesign

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Uh oh. Last time Apple mini-bumped the 'Air', was there a reported disruption in supplies in the 5-7 days beforehand? (Because today the report of supply delays is only about one model, the Mini.)
 

pharmx

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Interesting...anyone care to speculate on the purpose of a black bottom for the MBA? It's listed in one of the earlier entries from the site linked above.

This is also my guess. Plus a 3G option.

Hmm, I suppose the black bottom could be similar to the black strip on the 3G iPad (and original iPhone) to improve signal strength for a 3G or equivalent option. Purely speculation here, but it would have to be something significant to taint the elegant design of the Air. If they go all black, I certainly hope it won't have a cheap plastic look and feel.
 

pruhawk

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IMHO the MBA will not receive a legitmate upgrade until next year (April) at the earliest. That would allow Apple to bring it back to cutting edge and improve the battery, memory and speed for about the same price.

This year the best that can be hoped for, if at all, is double the memory and a 13" MBP like chip set minor update.
 

Scottsdale

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But their reasoning is PROBABLY false. Therefore, I have to assume that their numbers are way off.

With the rumors I have heard/read, I would GUESSTIMATE:
  • 15% chance of MBA with Core CPU at WWDC (if core CPU - 85% sole use of Intel GMA HD/15% discrete GPU).
  • 25% chance of, AT WWDC, C2D/Nvidia 320m, 4 GB RAM, 192/256 GB SSD and something new like a Verizon 3G/4G card.
  • 50% chance of, NOT AT WWDC, a C2D/Nvidia 320m, 4 GB RAM, 192/256 GB SSD, and nothing else.
  • 10% chance of NO UPDATE until Late 2010 or Early 2011.

I really think these numbers are probably about right based on Apple's update record in the past. Apple has updated the MBA twice before. One of the updates was incredible, so we know they're capable. Apple usually introduces something new at WWDC so it's possible it's a new incredible MBA. We also have seen many rumors of a Verizon relationship, and it probably comes with something else first, like a 3G/4G wireless card in a Mac or maybe a Verizon iPad. We also know it's probable the MBA will get the same C2D and Nvidia 320m that the other MacFive will get; since the 13" MBP and MB got the C2D and Nvidia 320m updates, this is by far most likely for the MBA. There is only a small chance that Apple will not update the MBA at all, as we can see from the past, just as with other Macs, that Apple will update very soon and will not leave the MBA for 18 months without an update.

Anyone else care to GUESSTIMATE?
 

jns2001

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Reality Check!

Here's what I think:

No disruption in inventories on MBA
No way to have 256 GB on the 1.8" SSD
If they get a new case (form factor) to the MBA, they can cram a larger disk, more memory and avoid the hassle of the first MBA's with overheating issues. However, that's not possible with aluminum, it would move the weight way, way up for an Ultraportable.

Apple needs to ditch this aluminum sheesh. I recently got a MB Pro 13" from the company that I work for, and for those that says that's only 1.5 pounds heavier, believe me, it makes a world of a difference.

Also this MBpro has a hard disk and not a SSD, and I am friggin' spoiled with my baby MBA and I hate that machine. It has a higher end processor and 4 GB of memory, and that still means Jack in terms of performance.

So, my conclusion is, the MBA will not get an upgrade/update, and when it does, it will have to have another material for the case in order to keep up with the weight. In as much as I love the MBA and would like to see an update, I just don't think it is gonna happen anytime soon.

Just my 0.02 cents.
:rolleyes:
 

Scottsdale

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Here's what I think:

No disruption in inventories on MBA
No way to have 256 GB on the 1.8" SSD
If they get a new case (form factor) to the MBA, they can cram a larger disk, more memory and avoid the hassle of the first MBA's with overheating issues. However, that's not possible with aluminum, it would move the weight way, way up for an Ultraportable.

Apple needs to ditch this aluminum sheesh. I recently got a MB Pro 13" from the company that I work for, and for those that says that's only 1.5 pounds heavier, believe me, it makes a world of a difference.

Also this MBpro has a hard disk and not a SSD, and I am friggin' spoiled with my baby MBA and I hate that machine. It has a higher end processor and 4 GB of memory, and that still means Jack in terms of performance.

So, my conclusion is, the MBA will not get an upgrade/update, and when it does, it will have to have another material for the case in order to keep up with the weight. In as much as I love the MBA and would like to see an update, I just don't think it is gonna happen anytime soon.

Just my 0.02 cents.
:rolleyes:

Well, first you're wrong about the 1.8" SSD. The technology has been there. There will even be a third-party supplier for a 1.8" SSD that works in the v 2,1 MBAs in three or four months. Right now, just because no company is buying them as it's an expensive add to an ultraportable, there are several available for OEM computer manufacturers.

At the same time, I could also see Apple using a 192 GB SSD in the high-end MBA. It will be larger than the current. What I could be really happy with is the Intel 160 GB 1.8" SSD that was announced a month or so ago. The technology is there, so Apple can include up to a 256 GB SSD. The "problem" is more likely the cost, but with mass production the cost approaches the same as the 2.5" SSDs. I can see Apple using 192 GB and offering a larger BTO option. Or it could even offer 128 GB SSD standard with BTO option for larger SSD. That even makes more sense to keep the base prices as low as possible, yet keep the storage available for those who need the larger SSD. The thing is this is the second most reported "problem" or deficiency with the MBA. Therefore, it would seem Apple will do something about it.

We have had MBA updates twice before with less rumors than this time, and "disruption" of inventories seems to be more prevalent in products that are big sellers. Let's face it, Apple isn't exactly selling millions of the MBAs right now. They are terribly overpriced and outdated. The reports of an update, especially from Asia, actually seem that the MBA will truly be updated.

It is possible that Apple will go with carbon fiber in the Macs at some point. Right now it's about industrial design with the Macs. IF they change the case of the MBA, they could easily go that route. I even wonder about this material they're using in the new iPhones. It's apparently something cross between carbon fiber and ceramic material. I am interested in learning more about it, as it might be the future of more than just the iPhone. I do think a redesign of the MBA could allow Apple to do a lot more with the MBA. I feel like Apple could easily redesign the MBA and make it 1/2" thick throughout and have more space than in the current MBA. More space and less waste in a design that looks similar to the iPad from the side view.

In the end, you could be correct and it could wait until January 2011 for the update. There is no "upgrade" path for the Core 2 Duo SL9600 in the Core 2 Duo chips. In order to keep Core 2 Duo CPUs in the MBA, Apple could have Intel overclock a C2D to make it an SL9700 CPU running at up to 2.26 or maybe 2.33 GHz? I would think those are possibilities. In addition, since Apple is reducing the TDP using the Nvidia 320m, it could de-throttle the SL9x00 CPUs and advertise them as 30% faster without actually changing the CPUs. It would be a difficult sell from a marketing standpoint.

I feel that a lot of would be MBA buyers are waiting for just a bump to 4 GB RAM and a larger SSD and/or HDD in the MBA. There is no reason for Apple not to provide an update to a C2D/Nvidia 320m, with 4 GB RAM and larger SSD right now with the exact same case. This would be a very low cost path to follow the MacFive and update the MBA while boosting sales. There is also the other train of thought that Apple uses the MBA to showcase ultra-mobility running its longtime advantageous OS X. Since Apple is a self-proclaimed "mobility company" why shouldn't we expect updates to its most mobile Mac that runs OS X. Apple could use WWDC to provide the update we have all been waiting for since October 2008. Apple could again blow away the competitors in the ultraportable market.

I am sticking with only a 10% chance that there is no update to the MBA until Early 2011 or Late 2010. Apple can choose a simple update path that follows the MacFive and might boost sales to levels that the MBA has never seen. Or Apple can choose to WOW everyone as it did when it introduced the MBA in October 2008. There is a lot of hope, and the rumors really make it seem like it's very likely that Apple is working on a new MBA.
 

gwsat

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What I could be really happy with is the Intel 160 GB 1.8" SSD that was announced a month or so ago.
If Apple updated the MBA with the C2D chip, integrated INVIDIA 320m GPU, 4Gb of RAM, and a 160Gb SSD, I would be all over it. My now nearly two and a half year old 17 inch Santa Rosa MBP has only a 160Gb drive and it has been plenty. That's because I don't store large media files on a computer, ever. They are all stored either on network drives or a portable USB drive. That's why, even after all this time, my 160Gb drive still has a little over 66Gb free.
 

jns2001

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Well, first you're wrong about the 1.8" SSD. The technology has been there. There will even be a third-party supplier for a 1.8" SSD that works in the v 2,1 MBAs in three or four months. Right now, just because no company is buying them as it's an expensive add to an ultraportable, there are several available for OEM computer manufacturers.

You are going to have to pardon my ignorance, but do you care to share where have you seen 1.8" SSD's with a larger capacity than 160 GB? I am particularly interested on the 256 GB, which would make a difference in capacity.

On the disruption of inventory, I am a believer that we would have heard something about it, but this is very subjective, so let's park lot that discussion.

Also, as a question, is it possible to have physical space for a 4 GB of RAM?

I think your processors combos would either overheat the temperature sensitive MBA's or it would de-throttle all the time making it even worse than it is right now.

My humble opinion is that it won't be any MBA announcement on Monday, 0% chances, not even the smallest.
 
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