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Appleaker

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Don't disagree at all, really. However, the iPad's form factor has so much potential as the future of computing though, which is what makes it so attractive due to its flexibility compared to a traditional laptop. Infinitely more portable because of its notepad-like form factor, it isn't beholden to a keyboard and thus can be more easily used standing up, laying down, in cramped areas on a commute or waiting in line. It is basically better to use everywhere except sitting at a desk.

If it can also be good sitting at a desk with a keyboard, then it should be by definition the form factor of choice.

All that has really held it back is the software and OS features accessible to the end user. iOS 11 looks to finally be changing that limitation.
Yeah, i'm sure if it was capable of running macOS when used with peripherals (i.e. a smart keyboard with trackpad), it would be the form factor of choice for many more people.
 

ssledoux

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So is this one pictured a US one? I can't decide what I think about the semicolon being under the L instead of beside it.
 

MyopicPaideia

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Post 11 seems to show a US keyboard. The original is presumably Swedish format.

The L-shape is not the US version

Correct on both counts. The Swedish layout has to fit an extra key on row 1 for the å and 2 extra on row 2 for the ö and ä. This is why the return key is a long and narrow L-shape on most European layout keyboards (more letters)

Post 11 is he US layout.
 

Badrottie

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Looks nice but my Logitech keyboard has MORE function keys than Apple keyboard.

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ssledoux

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Thank you. So anyone who has used both the 12.9 ASK and the smaller, 9.7 ASK, is it much more difficult to type on the smaller one?
 

prospervic

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Even with iOS 11 no one can create a SD-Card for a Raspberry. Can't bulk-edit Metadata of MP3, PDF, other files....
Don't have a Shell for bulk-actions. Even can't reduce the size of many photos at once. Can't access Photo library with Files App and many many other little things, everyone forgets when start discussing if an iPad can replace a laptop. Not with iOS 11.0.
You assume that everyone needs to perform all of those tasks you mentioned. Not necessarily so, and for many people the iPad Pro 12.9" makes fine laptop replacement. Then there's the added bonus of being able to edit photos, create art and play piano keyboards directly by hand -- not possible on the traditional laptop.

As for the Photo Library, I'm able to access it through Readdle's Documents app. I find it hard to believe that, come the fall release, iOS 11 will not provide similar functionality in the Files app.
 

MyopicPaideia

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Even with iOS 11 no one can create a SD-Card for a Raspberry. Can't bulk-edit Metadata of MP3, PDF, other files....
Don't have a Shell for bulk-actions. Even can't reduce the size of many photos at once. Can't access Photo library with Files App and many many other little things, everyone forgets when start discussing if an iPad can replace a laptop. Not with iOS 11.0.
Actually, except for the SD card for a Raspberry, you can do all those things, and Apple has bought up a company whose app made that possible. It is essentially a shell for bulk actions, and is called Workflow. Check it out. Almost like an Automator for iPad...
 

Steve686

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If I would have to choose one it would be more towards the new Macbook Pros, but it doesn't really feel like either of your examples. Travel is definitely more similar to the MBPs but the rebound is different being the it is a fabric keyboard.

It does feel exactly the same as the previous Smart Keyboards in 12.9" and 9.7" if you've ever used them before.

Thanks for the summary!
 

CraigDun

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245g according to my postage machine, so should be pretty accurate :) 477g (LTE) + 245g = 722g making it a full 200g lighter than the rMB (920g) and at 250,6mm x 174,1 cm will be significantly smaller than the rMB's footprint, which is 280,5mm x 196,5mm
Thanks a lot for answering the weight question. I've been trying to find out the answer to this question for two days. I can't understand why Apple don't give this sorted information at the Apple site.
 
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Analog Kid

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Even with iOS 11 no one can create a SD-Card for a Raspberry. Can't bulk-edit Metadata of MP3, PDF, other files....
Don't have a Shell for bulk-actions. Even can't reduce the size of many photos at once. Can't access Photo library with Files App and many many other little things, everyone forgets when start discussing if an iPad can replace a laptop. Not with iOS 11.0.

It's funny you say that-- just the other day my Grandmother was complaining that her new iPad won't execute all the bash scripts she'd written to install custom linux kernels on her Raspberry Pi... She figured all it would be good for now would be fixing the timestamps on her extensive photo library-- I better tell her she's out of luck!

Joking aside, I think iPad needs to accept a mouse or trackpad input before it can replace a laptop.
 

Traverse

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Perhaps it is just me, but he 10.5" Smart Cover feels much better not just because it's marginally bigger, but it also feels more clicky.

I'm very happy with it.
 

parseckadet

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So I picked one up at Best Buy today. After about 2 hours it was back in the box, ready to be returned tomorrow. I think it's actually a great product, but for my tastes it just adds too much weight, too much thickness.

To provide some perspective, I'm upgrading from a non-Retina Mini. I bought that originally because I had the original iPad and thought it was too bulky to serve its purpose. Well the 10.5 pro with the ASK on it ends up being about the same size and weight as that original iPad. In terms of hardware design, I felt like I was taking two steps forward with the new iPP, just to take 4 steps backward by adding the ASK.

Even with that being said, I probably would still be keeping the Smart Keyboard if I didn't already have the Logitech K380. For my use, all the times I'll need to do a lot of typing I'll likely be home, so I'm keeping the K380 in a kitchen drawer. What's great is that keyboard is still small enough to bring with me in a bag when I do travel, but it won't be constantly attached and adding bulk to my new iPad. I get the benefits of the advances in hardware design, with the utility of a keyboard when I'm most likely to need it.
 
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