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Populus

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@Azeroth1 My humble advice: If you can still manage to use your bent and scratched M1 MBA as your support machine for a few more months, then wait for the M4 MBA in spring.

If you can’t wait and need a machine now, then the M3 MBA will be great and serve you many years BUT don’t get any of the older ones with just 8GB of RAM. Try to get one of the current M3 MBA that come with 16GB of RAM. Better if it’s a Black Friday sale, but careful with specs such as RAM and storage.
 
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GusBougadis

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I dropped my M1 Air with 16/512 on the floor. It still works but the body is all beat up and dented and sharp.

Just tell me please what is the best value MacBook Pro or MacBook Air for the money and long term. I tend to keep my machines a long time and use this as a support machine to my 2018 iMac Pro.

This machine is not used for heavy lifting. But again, I like to keep my machines as long as possible (unless I trip on the power cord and yank it off the table). There are so many deals right now I am having analysis paralysis.

Also, things like size and weight don’t matter to me. I just want the best value for my money.
If you live in North America. Apple usually has a Black Friday sale that last for 4 days. You’ll get a gift card when you purchase your replacement laptop usually around over $200. I purchased a MacBook Pro 5 years ago and got $275 in Apple Store gift card. Sorry to hear about your m1 air, I currently have an m1 air and it’s been great. The sale should start on November 29 and its advertised on apple site.
 

skaertus

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Just because a "machine is not used for heavy lifting" does not mean one should cheap out choosing lesser display, lesser speakers, lesser everything. The only possible reason OP should choose the lesser-in-every-regard MBA would be price.

As to RAM, it gets to whether or not one chooses to build a new box to be optimal in 3-5 years, or not. RAM demands have increased every year for 40 years, so folks simply planning on doing what worked in 2022 are making bad decisions IMO. Apple knows, and they suddenly jumped their available laptop RAM by ~6x and doubled base RAM for presumably good reasons.

Obviously one buys what one can afford, but cheapest does not necessarily mean best choice.
I still think the MacBook Air is a better value for the money.

The OP has an iMac Pro that he uses as a main machine, so this would be the support machine.

On day 1, the MacBook Pro is a better machine than the Air. It has a better and brighter screen, and a higher refresh rate. Better sound and camera as well. But it costs $300 more. And is significantly heavier.

The difference in power between the M3 and the M4 may be negligible on day 1 if the OP uses it for basic tasks. This difference is going to get more noticeable as time passes, but then RAM and storage may be the bottleneck before the processor is.

As for the other stuff, it may make a real difference if you are meticulous. If you use it as a secondary machine, perhaps not so much.

I have a laptop with a 120 Hz screen, and I see little to zero difference in real world usage. The difference is much more perceptible in a smartphone than in a laptop.

As for brightness, the 500 nits of the MacBook Air is already good. I cannot see the difference unless I am looking to them side-by-side. It may make some difference if you use the laptop in sunlight, but I never do, and I suppose a lot of people do not either.

The MacBook Pro has a miniLED display, which is of course great. But I do have an OLED laptop, and, while the screen is great, I see no need for it. It makes a lot of difference in a TV, as movies tend to display lots of shadows and dark environments, so pronounced blacks are a must-have. On a laptop, although it is great to have, I would not say it makes so much of a difference.

When I am carrying a laptop around with me, the weigh difference is far more important than a slightly better screen or a faster processor.

Also, the difference in price means you may exchange the laptop one year earlier and get the real benefits of the technology evolution in shorter cycles.

So, I would still vote for the MacBook Air in terms of value. Of course, value is highly subjective, especially if you totally detach it from price. If you just look at the benefits you get, regardless of price, of course the best product will always offer the best value.
 

GusBougadis

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I still think the MacBook Air is a better value for the money.

The OP has an iMac Pro that he uses as a main machine, so this would be the support machine.

On day 1, the MacBook Pro is a better machine than the Air. It has a better and brighter screen, and a higher refresh rate. Better sound and camera as well. But it costs $300 more. And is significantly heavier.

The difference in power between the M3 and the M4 may be negligible on day 1 if the OP uses it for basic tasks. This difference is going to get more noticeable as time passes, but then RAM and storage may be the bottleneck before the processor is.

As for the other stuff, it may make a real difference if you are meticulous. If you use it as a secondary machine, perhaps not so much.

I have a laptop with a 120 Hz screen, and I see little to zero difference in real world usage. The difference is much more perceptible in a smartphone than in a laptop.

As for brightness, the 500 nits of the MacBook Air is already good. I cannot see the difference unless I am looking to them side-by-side. It may make some difference if you use the laptop in sunlight, but I never do, and I suppose a lot of people do not either.

The MacBook Pro has a miniLED display, which is of course great. But I do have an OLED laptop, and, while the screen is great, I see no need for it. It makes a lot of difference in a TV, as movies tend to display lots of shadows and dark environments, so pronounced blacks are a must-have. On a laptop, although it is great to have, I would not say it makes so much of a difference.

When I am carrying a laptop around with me, the weigh difference is far more important than a slightly better screen or a faster processor.

Also, the difference in price means you may exchange the laptop one year earlier and get the real benefits of the technology evolution in shorter cycles.

So, I would still vote for the MacBook Air in terms of value. Of course, value is highly subjective, especially if you totally detach it from price. If you just look at the benefits you get, regardless of price, of course the best product will always offer the best value.
Yes I agree about the difference with the pro model. I had a MacBook Pro with Touch Bar years ago and the speakers were amazing.
 
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Return Zero

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There are two categories of value—lowest cost of entry, and most performance headroom per dollar.

Then there are sale prices, which fluctuate and can make these comparisons change on a dime.

If you want the headroom and maximum “future-proofing” for reasonable money, there are some $1800 deals on the base model 14” MBP with the M4 Pro chip which is an absolute beast. It has monster CPU, GPU, SSD, and I/O speeds, great thermal handling, and a mini-LED quantum dot HDR screen, not to mention 24GB RAM standard. That or the unbinned model with 1TB around $2100 are excellent performance values that simply cannot be beaten, handling nearly any workflow with ease.

For lowest cost of entry to meet your needs and also last a reasonably long time, a direct replacement with the M3 Air is $1100 currently (for 16/512). This would will have much less performance and resale value if those factors ever end up mattering to you. You might even find an open-box deal or go with 256GB storage to save even more and still get by just fine.
 
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AppleFeller

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1. Do you actually need a new machine? Is this cosmetic damage? (keep if still working)
2. Just grab another M1 Air for $650 at Walmart (from a cost/value perspective)
 

glindon

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Best Buy is selling the 13" MBA 16/512 for $1,099 right now. That's what I would buy if weight and price factor into your decision. Can't go wrong with that if the M1 was good enough for you.
 

UnifiedMelody

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I dropped my M1 Air with 16/512 on the floor. It still works but the body is all beat up and dented and sharp.

Just tell me please what is the best value MacBook Pro or MacBook Air for the money and long term. I tend to keep my machines a long time and use this as a support machine to my 2018 iMac Pro.

This machine is not used for heavy lifting. But again, I like to keep my machines as long as possible (unless I trip on the power cord and yank it off the table). There are so many deals right now I am having analysis paralysis.

Also, things like size and weight don’t matter to me. I just want the best value for my money.
Base M4 Pro lol. Don't bother with the base M4 [non-pro].
M4 non-base only kind of makes sense in the Mac Mini now afaik, 599$
 

Allen_Wentz

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Yes I agree about the difference with the pro model. I had a MacBook Pro with Touch Bar years ago and the speakers were amazing.
Yup. I also have a touch bar MBP (still in use) and it has very good display and speakers. Then that older MBP with 16 GB rammed-out, so I added an M2 MBP with 96 GB RAM to the mix, and the speakers and display of the newer MBP are even better; indeed quite amazing for a laptop.

No matter what the OP's workflow is for the long life cycle desired, there is IMO huge value add to doing that usage with far better speakers and display every time the box is touched for the next 5+ years. For me the much better MBP is well worth a few hundred dollars up front. YMMV.
 

Allen_Wentz

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There are two categories of value—lowest cost of entry, and most performance headroom per dollar.

Then there are sale prices, which fluctuate and can make these comparisons change on a dime.

If you want the headroom and maximum “future-proofing” for reasonable money, there are some $1800 deals on the base model 14” MBP with the M4 Pro chip which is an absolute beast. It has monster CPU, GPU, SSD, and I/O speeds, great thermal handling, and a mini-LED quantum dot HDR screen, not to mention 24GB RAM standard. That or the unbinned model with 1TB around $2100 are excellent performance values that simply cannot be beaten, handling nearly any workflow with ease.

For lowest cost of entry to meet your needs and also last a reasonably long time, a direct replacement with the M3 Air is $1100 currently (for 16/512). This would will have much less performance and resale value if those factors ever end up mattering to you. You might even find an open-box deal or go with 256GB storage to save even more and still get by just fine.

just wait for the M4 Air next March
M4 will not make the lower end MBA into a higher end box. It will only make the M4 MBA have better performance than an M3 MBA. The OP does not care about size/weight, so the MBP will remain the better box in every regard except price. So yes, if - and only if - OP decides price is of paramount importance then an MBA is the way to go and it makes sense to wait for M4 MBA if waiting is feasible.
 
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