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Except for the fact that the same socket could accommodate a far less expensive i7--say a quadcore.

Nope. Just more arm flapping.


edit: looks like the LGA2011V3's slowest processor is a 6 core ?? anyways it's $400 instead of $1100. The 6 core i7-5820K has a passmark of 12,000, top end i7 LGA211V3 is passmark of 20,000, this is a decent range.

Which is kneecapped by Intel to just 28 lanes. Same socket, but have snubbed off some of the pins.

http://ark.intel.com/products/94189/Intel-Core-i7-6800K-Processor-15M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz
http://ark.intel.com/products/82932/Intel-Core-i7-5820K-Processor-15M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz


Intel makes folks do a tradeoff. The E5 1630 ( there is a cheaper 20) in roughly same price point. Isn't kneecapped on bandwidth but does stop a 4 cores ( and somewhat kneecapped clock. )

http://ark.intel.com/products/92987/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1630-v4-10M-Cache-3_70-GHz


If single core drag racing on data in RAM ..... core i7 has incremental gap. If doing work where moving data in and out to persistent storage ... not so much. Lower max core count also. Lower max memory and RAM flexibility (Apple has 4 DIMMs so what can put into just 4 DIMMs makes a substantive difference).


I'm through because all this stuff has been cover many dozens of times over last 2-3 years... and yet folks want to keep pushing the FUD to the top. It is junk. This thread started off weak and now the manure level is rising. There is no huge cost saving. Just attempts at deceiving the masses.
 
Nope. Just more arm flapping.

Last time I checked $400 is cheaper than 1100

I'll bottom line what I was saying : I7 provides a better value for most people and with the 2011V3 slot available, the lanes are probably enough for a Mac Pro even with the silly Thunderbolt octopus model.

Which is kneecapped by Intel to just 28 lanes. Same socket, but have snubbed off some of the pins.

I noticed that right before you posted. 28 lanes is Still better than the traditional socket, though yes, they might have to reduce the TB ports. 28 is better than the 20 you get otherwise though.

Intel makes folks do a tradeoff. The E5 1630 ( there is a cheaper 20) in roughly same price point. Isn't kneecapped on bandwidth but does stop a 4 cores ( and somewhat kneecapped clock. )

I didn't see that model, nice to know there's good range for Apple to choose from on the Xeon side for that socket.

However, i7 is still a better value: So for the same $400 of the 4core xeon you get a 6 core i7 with a 20% better passmark but potentially fewer Thunderbolt slots (or they'll just have to have a more clever switching controller as they did in the nMP trash can, which didn't have 6x4 + 16x2 lanes either) OR you can have all 40 lanes to run your army of thunderbolt accessories that don't exist. They can still have the 40 lane passmark of 20,000 -- 6900k with the same slot.

I KNOW you know this. I think you are once again just sticking to your strange position in spite of the fact that you are mistaken. But where are the insults we've come to expect from a deconstruct post that cannot admit mistakes?

Lower max memory and RAM flexibility (Apple has 4 DIMMs so what can put into just 4 DIMMs makes a substantive difference).

the 6900k does 128gb...


I'm through because all this stuff has been cover many dozens of times over last 2-3 years... and yet folks want to keep pushing the FUD to the top. It is junk. This thread started off weak and now the manure level is rising. There is no huge cost saving. Just attempts at deceiving the masses.

Oh okay there are the insults.

anyway I was mistaken on one thing: The main reason I was saying they should consider i7 LGA2011V3 is that they definitely have to pick a slot (any slot... but just one slot), I didn't realize the same slot can do the 40 lane i7 and the Xeon. Likely if they did revise the nMP today they'd stick with xeon to keep the lane count identical and not fuss with the Thunderbolt controllers.. Also the poorer value at the low-end would inspire people to buy a faster processor.

Seems mostly moot now that I know that, so thanks for that.
 
Ad click bait. Very little of substance there.

Xeon E3 ... not a candidate for the Mac Pro. If keeps the dual GPUs can't even drive those let along the TB , SSDs , etc you'd need. It isn't viable.

The desktop Gen 7 parts. There are rumors, info, etc. about those elsewhere. Yeah the Intel doc drop is a signal that shipping to system vendors probably has started ( or will start in weeks ). But desktop roadmaps are already out.

No particular good reason for the iMacs to skip them. Especially the 21" retina models with no discrete GPU.
This. Mac Pro uses E5 Xeons.
 
Instead of Tim C talking about innovation his (edit here before site does it for me)... he might try something tried and true like a tower and put parts in it that make sense but alas it would have to be a thin tower...nope not a thin tower but a really THIN tower. Well there goes that idea down the toilet.
 
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