It's sounds like this will be 2nd Gen Studio Display. By then, Thunderbolt 5 will probably support 5K @120Hz and all will work well.
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I really want a 32" Pro Display XDR but I'm unwilling to invest in something that is ~4 years old. The moment my return window is done, they will release an updated one and I just wouldn't be able to live with myself 😆
I think this is exactly right given the timeline. I had thought it would be in the middle b/w the ASD and XDR, but now not so much. Plus will require a computer upgrade.
On the plus side I love my ASDs and now I can just enjoy them w/o thinking about an upgrade to the mini-LED pro mo any time soon.
Not necessarily. DisplayPort 2.0 (80Gbps) lets you do 5K120 4:4:4 10-bit without even using DSC. With DSC, the options for a single monitor become functionally unlimited. No TB or HDMI needed. You could run it over USB4.
Considering the Pro Display XDR runs on DP 1.4 HBR3 (32.4Gbps), Apple might even be able to do 6K120 4:4:4 10-bit without DSC on DP 2.0. I am not quite sure how the math works on that.
TB5 will support 50% more video bandwidth than USB4 for even more headroom.
True, but I don't believe Apple will add DisplayPort to the Mac, especially now that they are adding HDMI 2.1, which can handle it, as well.
I really think they will want to wait for TB5 so they can have their "one cable" solution between the display and the Mac.
Macs do DisplayPort over USB-C/TB. That's how connecting a monitor to those ports works. USB4 includes DP2.0 in the spec.
True, but I have read that even with DSC you need more than the 40Gbps bandwidth of TB4/USB4 (though less than the 48Gbps bandwidth of HDMI 2.1) to be able to support 5K at 120Hz with 10-bit color depth (which is 64Gbps uncompressed). And I do not see Apple (nor Apple customers) supporting less than 10-bit color depth on a Pro Display XDR class display.
Awesome! Now do a prediction on when the hell Apple will release a display that has more than one input! Seriously now, Studio/Pro monikers ought to represent a device that can handle at least two input sources. I own a Studio Display and I play this game swapping out magnetic connectors Monday through Friday, 9am to 5pm, between my work and personal Macs.
Yes, agree, definitely sounds like what started as a higher end, middle option display will become the 2nd gen ASD
Hoping Apple will release a 27" display or a 27"/32" iMac in the near future
DisplayPort 2.0, which is part of USB4, has 80Gbps uncompressed. No DSC needed.
Everybody who is talking about "not enough bandwidth" is thinking about the old DP 1.4.
A DisplayPort 2.0 physical port can handle up to 80Gbps. A USB4 1.0 physical port can handle up to 40Gbps and I believe that is what Macs currently have.
So yes, a USB4 1.0 physical port will tunnel DisplayPort 2.0 packets (I believe via DisplayPort Alt Mode 2.0), but it can only reach half the bandwidth of a physical DisplayPort 2.0 port.
The USB Promoter Group has announced USB4 2.0 which will support 80GBps and that will handle the full DisplayPort 2.0 bandwidth to be tunneled over it (and I presume it will also support ThunderBolt 5 at 80Gbps). Apple is part of the USBPG so we will surely see USB4 2.0 (along with Thunderbolt 5) in future Macs.
I would not at all be surprised if these new high-bandwidth-required displays require USB4 2.0 and/or Thunderbolt 5 for connectivity (because Apple wants to use a single cable) and therefore they cannot release them until they have released Macs that have USB4 2.0 and/or TB5 ports.
Methinks the holdup is getting everything rolled up into the yet-to-be-released-and-implemented Thunderbolt 5, which (by my reckoning) will be the foundation of the next MacPro. I would full-well expect Cupertino to be prepared with 10-bit (or even 12-bit) HDR (oop, cough, er, XDR) 8k/10K/16K displays to accompany that release, something(s) which DisplayPort 2.0/2.1 is designed to handle over a single cable.
I would also expect that the current M-line USB/TB4 Macs will be able to handle those DisplayPort 2.0/2.1 specs (with DSC allowing for greater bit rates)...
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Apart of the price (lower than a studio display + mac mini) why you need an iMac? I really don't get it why people still claiming for a iMac? again the only valid point is that the iMac cost less but rather than that, studio display + mini is better.
USB4 (version 1.0) supports 80Gbps DisplayPort 2.0. This is an alt-mode and the 40Gbps limit does not apply.
And so it does...
That being said, even though you could drive an HDR ProMotion 7K or 5K Apple display on a USB4 Mac using DP Alt Mode 2.0, it would not allow for USB ports nor the ability to charge a MacBook Pro like the Pro Display XDR and Apple Studio Display can. And I don't see Apple releasing a display that lacks that functionality. Hence why I think we will have to wait for USB4 2.0 / TB5 to come to the Mac (and these displays).
USB4 and TB4 already allow uncompressed 5K120 4:4:4 10bit while also allowing 100W charging and also USB 3.1 gen 2 speeds.
There are 8 high speed data pins that in DP alt-mode become DP2.0 pins offering 4 lanes for a total of 80Gbps. There are 4 low speed USB 2.0 pins that in DP alt-mode can be reconfigured to carry USB 3.1 gen 2 (10 Gbps)*. There are 4 separate power pins that carry up to 100W.
*This little trick is how the Pro Display XDR can carry USB 3.1 gen 2 on the back with newer Macs, even though it only supports DP1.4.
I do agree that Apple will use TB for any display for other reasons, such as wake from sleep and cable length and quality. I also expect that they will hold on introducing a new Pro Display until the new Mac Pro is ready. And if the new Mac Pro provides TB5, presumably they will want to show that off by giving the new Pro Display extra capabilities when connected to TB5.
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Per this report, BOE is developing two HighDPI MiniLed panels that I think would work nicely for a new 31.5" 8K Pro Display XDR (instead of the rumored 7K from LG) and a 27" 5K Pro Display XDR.
- 27″ with 5120 x 2880 high PPI resolution, 60Hz refresh rate, 98% DCI-P3 gamut – this will have 2304 dimming zones but with 9216 LED’s, and is scheduled for production from Feb 2023.
- 31.5″ panel with 8K resolution and 60Hz refresh rate. This one would have “5K+” dimming zones apparently (number of LED’s not listed) and is planned for a possible H1 2023 production.
- 27″ panel with 5120 x 2880 resolution (210 PPI), 350 cd/m2 brightness, HDR 600 support (600 cd/m2 peak), 98% DCI-P3 colour gamut. This is listed for Q4 2022 production.
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