Last beta is going to be the same as GM?

[Mlrollin91]

Leaked through the official beta system?

I recall installing it prior to the keynote using the beta program unless my memory is off.

No, not through the beta website.

Rumor: iOS 11 GM leaked by disgruntled employee - AppleInsider

You had to use the leaked URL to download and install it. It was not released on the beta site until after the Keynote, like all other GMs. (Edit: not sure why this got unlined - didn't mean to)
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Yeah it was released via beta internals last year.

No it wasn't, read the article I just posted above.

"The BBC has independently confirmed URLs to download the code from Apple's servers were leaked. Whether the leaker or leakers are Apple employees is still unclear."

It had absolutely nothing to do with the Dev center or proper beta channels.
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I find that the terminology IS important as it gives you a feel of the confidence Apple has with the release to use it as their template for new devices...

So you feel calling it a "GM" is more important than "Public Release"? I'm going to have to disagree with that. Public release gives you the feel that its the final release ready for the public's use.

 

[Sendmenudes02]

i'm afraid ios 12 stays like it is now. someone told me the GM its going to be faster and smoother and better than the last beta but i'm still scared. I want my device to run completely faster. on this last beta its not that fast, so i'm hoping the GM its going to fix it. Im going to do dfu restore to see if it helps.
Do you think the GM its going to have a different? build number?
ios 10 last beta and GM was different or the same build? Gm was faster?

 

[BeatsEU]

I hope they release it as new build aswell to fix the remaining known bugs.
But even if they decide to keep it the same build they will probably remove logging, debugging stuff etc. So it should actually be a little bit smoother experience.

 

[Mlrollin91]

Was a new thread really necessary? You've asked this in other threads and multiple people, including myself have answered. The GM will be a new build, likely 50-70 build points ahead of beta 12.

 

[Cobold]

Was a new thread really necessary? You've asked this in other threads and multiple people, including myself have answered. The GM will be a new build, likely 50-70 build points ahead of beta 12.

NEVER! The whole iOS12 beta cycle only had 78 builds from beta 1 to beta 12!
I expect the GM to be build 16A366 (that's the same as beta 12 without the beta-stuff), or maybe 2 or 3 builds newer, but not more.

 

[wesley96]

NEVER! The whole iOS12 beta cycle only had 78 builds from beta 1 to beta 12!
I expect the GM to be build 16A366 (that's the same as beta 12 without the beta-stuff), or maybe 2 or 3 builds newer, but not more.

It does make you wonder, though - build “points” may not be the same as build “numbers”. iOS 12.0 betas 10, 11, and 12 had the build number increment by one, yet they are four days apart. I don’t think Apple would internally compile just two builds in a week. I would love to get some clarifications and/or corrections to this.

 

[Menel]

can someone tell me if the GM is the same thing as the last beta. Or GM is better than the last beta?

What I mean is: is the GM more polished , faster, smooth, than final beta ?

It is not.

GM will be after keynote.

Codebase may be very similar to the most recent beta, build number will be modified. The Feedback and other debug/logging routines will be turned off. It may be very close, but it will be different.

 

[Mlrollin91]

NEVER! The whole iOS12 beta cycle only had 78 builds from beta 1 to beta 12!
I expect the GM to be build 16A366 (that's the same as beta 12 without the beta-stuff), or maybe 2 or 3 builds newer, but not more.

No different than past years. It’s a huge jump from final beta to GM. iOS 10 saw a 57 point build increase (iOS 11 is the only exception as it appears to be the only exception with everything thus far).

 

[Sendmenudes02]

No different than past years. It’s a huge jump from final beta to GM. iOS 10 saw a 57 point build increase (iOS 11 is the only exception as it appears to be the only exception with everything thus far).

So that means ios 12 will have a huge jump too? Being similar to ios 10.

 

[uandme72]

So that means ios 12 will have a huge jump too? Being similar to ios 10.

That also means Apple would have addressed many issues not yet resolved in beta 12. It also means the GM would be under development as we discuss right now and would not have been frozen as yet.

 

[WaruiKoohii]

It does make you wonder, though - build “points” may not be the same as build “numbers”. iOS 12.0 betas 10, 11, and 12 had the build number increment by one, yet they are four days apart. I don’t think Apple would internally compile just two builds in a week. I would love to get some clarifications and/or corrections to this.

They compile many builds a week, but they elected to release a build pretty close to the previous one.

Just because a build is compiled it doesn't mean that the public will ever see it.

 

[Mlrollin91]

That also means Apple would have addressed many issues not yet resolved in beta 12. It also means the GM would be under development as we discuss right now and would not have been frozen as yet.

That’s not true at all. You need to remember that Apple is ahead internally. The GM has been done for 2-3 weeks, likely just after the whole mishap with beta 7.

 

[WaruiKoohii]

That’s not true at all. You need to remember that Apple is ahead internally. The GM has been done for 2-3 weeks, likely just after the whole mishap with beta 7.

Beta 12 was released 10 days ago, so it is not possible for the GM to have been finished before that since at the absolute minimum Beta 12 is the GM build.

 

[GreyOS]

Beta 12 was released 10 days ago, so it is not possible for the GM to have been finished before that since at the absolute minimum Beta 12 is the GM build.

Lol. You said it yourself. Beta 12 was RELEASED 10 days ago. It could have been built several weeks before then. We know that Apple test internally first before releasing.

 

[JPack]

Beta 12 was released 10 days ago, so it is not possible for the GM to have been finished before that since at the absolute minimum Beta 12 is the GM build.

You're assuming the public beta isn't behind Apple's internal beta.

 

[WaruiKoohii]

Lol. You said it yourself. Beta 12 was RELEASED 10 days ago. It could have been built several weeks before then. We know that Apple test internally first before releasing.

I don't understand the mentality that Apple internal builds are weeks and weeks ahead of what they're releasing to testers. It doesn't make sense when you think about it from a "what is the entire point of them releasing these builds" perspective. They usually run about a week ahead when you consider the build stamps...sometimes less.

Beta 12 absolutely was not built several weeks ago, it's amazing that you would even entertain that as a possibility. To give your theory as much credit as humanly possible we can say it was built on August 27th, which was the release date for Beta 11. One of the reasons for the release of Beta 12 was to fix the popup issue present in Beta 11. If Beta 11 was several weeks old it would have never been released, and 12, also several weeks old according to you, would have been released instead as Beta 11.

You're assuming the public beta isn't behind Apple's internal beta.

The public (and developer) betas run about a week behind Apple internal.

Things settled down a few weeks ago but generally if you look at build time stamps for builds and build release dates you get an idea for how much lag there is on the public releases.

 

[Mlrollin91]

I don't understand the mentality that Apple internal builds are weeks and weeks ahead of what they're releasing to testers. It doesn't make sense when you think about it from a "what is the entire point of them releasing these builds" perspective. They usually run about a week ahead when you consider the build stamps...sometimes less.

Beta 12 absolutely was not built several weeks ago, it's amazing that you would even entertain that as a possibility. To give your theory as much credit as humanly possible we can say it was built on August 27th, which was the release date for Beta 11. One of the reasons for the release of Beta 12 was to fix the popup issue present in Beta 11. If Beta 11 was several weeks old it would have never been released, and 12, also several weeks old according to you, would have been released instead as Beta 11.

The public (and developer) betas run about a week behind Apple internal.

Things settled down a few weeks ago but generally if you look at build time stamps for builds and build release dates you get an idea for how much lag there is on the public releases.

The issue is, your stuck on betas and are completely forgetting about Alpha testing. We had people part of the iOS thread that confirmed that Apple is ahead by weeks internally when it comes to builds because he would receive these Alpha builds when he was testing Apple Pay for his bank. It has been proven time and time again that these internal builds are weeks ahead of betas. What we are beta testing in beta 12 is for 12.0.1, 12.0.2 and even 12.1. The beta testing will always go on. What you need to focus on is the alpha testing. That is the key piece that you are leaving out. It makes perfect sense when you think about it this way.

Where is your proof they run a week behind Apple internal? Sounds like nothing but your guess.

 

[Paddle1]

iOS 11 GM leaked before the event last year. The GM needs to be complete ahead of time.

 

[GreyOS]

I don't understand the mentality that Apple internal builds are weeks and weeks ahead of what they're releasing to testers. It doesn't make sense when you think about it from a "what is the entire point of them releasing these builds" perspective. They usually run about a week ahead when you consider the build stamps...sometimes less.

Ok, I’d not considered the build stamps before- are these the kernel build stamps? Weeks was overkill, I do think it’s important to bear in mind the release date isn’t tied to the build date as a general principle though.

Beta 12 absolutely was not built several weeks ago, it's amazing that you would even entertain that as a possibility. To give your theory as much credit as humanly possible we can say it was built on August 27th, which was the release date for Beta 11. One of the reasons for the release of Beta 12 was to fix the popup issue present in Beta 11. If Beta 11 was several weeks old it would have never been released, and 12, also several weeks old according to you, would have been released instead as Beta 11.

Yes, you’re right, in actuality beta 12 was likely built close to its release due to its nature as a hotfix. However, please consider these points:

- It’s tricky to say how long it was between the build dates of beta 11 and beta 12, but we know the release dates were 4 days apart, which gives us some clue.
- in that time, the build was only incremented by one count.
- if development had slowed down that much by beta 12, does that mean GM was ready?
- if changes to the release build continued on a separate branch to what they thought was the last beta (until it needed a hotfix), how can we be sure the betas are a good indicator at all?
- if beta 12 was unexpected, it could mean they at least planned to finalise GM before it was built.
- it is actually conceivable to me (but not necessarily likely) that they did finalise GM before beta 12 without this being a problem, because the offending code is probably not executed in a release build. Apple released a hotfix because it was an obvious problem for beta testers.

Thanks for the informative reply.

 

[Nimoy]

I just noticed that the word "Beta" doesn't appear on my Software Update page even though I'm running the Public Beta. Is that normal?

 

[GreyOS]

I just noticed that the word "Beta" doesn't appear on my Software Update page even though I'm running the Public Beta. Is that normal?

Yes

 

[JPack]

The public (and developer) betas run about a week behind Apple internal.

Things settled down a few weeks ago but generally if you look at build time stamps for builds and build release dates you get an idea for how much lag there is on the public releases.

The HomePod firmware leaked July 2017 was based on iOS 11.0.2. During that time, public and devs were busy testing iOS 11.0. That already proves the public is weeks behind Apple's internal beta.

Build time and date stamps are almost meaningless because we know the content between internal and external builds are different. Where is the content and assets related to iPhone Xs? These are clearly stripped from the dev and public betas. The build date and time on public betas just refers to the moment Apple chose an internal build to release externally. Based on the HomePod leak, we know it's several weeks behind. That doesn't include the time required for Apple to comb through and remove any code and assets referring to unreleased products.

 

[Cobold]

NEVER! The whole iOS12 beta cycle only had 78 builds from beta 1 to beta 12!
I expect the GM to be build 16A366 (that's the same as beta 12 without the beta-stuff), or maybe 2 or 3 builds newer, but not more.

No different than past years. It’s a huge jump from final beta to GM. iOS 10 saw a 57 point build increase (iOS 11 is the only exception as it appears to be the only exception with everything thus far).

What did I say.... 13A366 is GM.

 

[Dwalls90]

What did I say.... 13A366 is GM.

Yea, they just dropped the a, so it's the same!