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tbayrgs

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Jul 5, 2009
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Why would anyone want a Nexus when they now have Google editions of better Android phones?

Because the Nexus is looking to be spec'd equally, if not better than existing GPE devices, yet will likely cost at least $200 less. Your statement would be far more accurate if you flipped it around:

Why would anyone want a Google edition of older Android phones when there will soon be a cheaper, better spec'd Nexus device?
 

kenknotts

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Sep 23, 2013
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Because the Nexus is looking to be spec'd equally, if not better than existing GPE devices, yet will likely cost at least $200 less. Your statement would be far more accurate if you flipped it around:

Why would anyone want a Google edition of older Android phones when there will soon be a cheaper, better spec'd Nexus device?

True, but I think many people would rather have things like LTE, expandable storeage (or larger than 32gb) and a removable battery.
 

Dr McKay

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Aug 11, 2010
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Kirkland
Normally I'd be really excited by this phone but Im starting to crave a bigger screen, currently have a 5 inch phone right now, eyeing up 6 inch phones with jealousy right now.
 

tbayrgs

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Jul 5, 2009
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True, but I think many people would rather have things like LTE, expandable storeage (or larger than 32gb) and a removable battery.

The device believed to be the next Nexus that passed through the FCC has LTE. And considering the GPE Galaxy S4 costs $650, if having expandable memory and a removable battery is worth and extra $250-300, you're welcome to it. ;)
 

mclld

macrumors 68030
Nov 6, 2012
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phones have been at the point the past couple years where I do not care about specs and even a two year old phone will do more than I need
 

Assault

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Mar 19, 2013
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True, but I think many people would rather have things like LTE, expandable storeage (or larger than 32gb) and a removable battery.

I used to be one of those people, but the Nexus 4 and 7 ruined my opinions on these features. I would much rather have a Nexus device than a spare battery or expandable storage. LTE will be standard from here on out. And with Google giving out 10 to 15 gigabytes all the time (I currently have 125gb of Google Drive storage for 2 years that was all free and 25gb of it never expires) I can do with as little as 16gb phones for now. The battery issue is the only concern, but I have a solar charging station for those times I am no where near a plug outlet for days at a stretch.
 

strausd

macrumors 68030
Jul 11, 2008
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True, but I think many people would rather have things like LTE, expandable storeage (or larger than 32gb) and a removable battery.

Uhm HTC One Google Play Edition doesn't have a removable battery or expandable storage... And it costs $600. Nexus 5 will cost less, have better hardware, and get updates sooner.

I used to be one of those people, but the Nexus 4 and 7 ruined my opinions on these features. I would much rather have a Nexus device than a spare battery or expandable storage. LTE will be standard from here on out. And with Google giving out 10 to 15 gigabytes all the time (I currently have 125gb of Google Drive storage for 2 years that was all free and 25gb of it never expires) I can do with as little as 16gb phones for now. The battery issue is the only concern, but I have a solar charging station for those times I am no where near a plug outlet for days at a stretch.

I'm more a fan of Copy's space giveaways.
 

ItHurtsWhenIP

macrumors 6502
Aug 20, 2013
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'Merica!
Hopefully it is coming to Verizon as well as AT&T and T-Mobile.

Just because the FCC has posted the pictures/info of the G2 with Verizon LTE, doesn't mean the Nexus is going to be released for use on Verizon, regardless of whether the Nexus 5 is based on the G2 or not.

In fact, I'd put money on Verizon not allowing Google to sell a version that can be used on their network.
 

Assault

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I'm glad all of these storage companies are doing the free giveaways. I only stick with Google Drive and Dropbox exclusively, because of their ability to integrate with so many apps.
 
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mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
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Just because the FCC has posted the pictures/info of the G2 with Verizon LTE, doesn't mean the Nexus is going to be released for use on Verizon, regardless of whether the Nexus 5 is based on the G2 or not.

In fact, I'd put money on Verizon not allowing Google to sell a version that can be used on their network.

I agree with this. Nothing makes me think the CDMA carries will get it.
 

PaulOBrain

macrumors regular
Aug 23, 2013
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The two main issues they need to address with this new Nexus is improve the camera and battery life. Both were poor with the Nexus 4.
 

Mr D

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Oct 11, 2007
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This is 100% false and complete opposite of what you posted. Custom Roms like cyanogen are hacks taken from the nexus and butchered together with daily updates to work right.

The Google edition Roms are pure android with the framework made specific to the hardware.Google even left touchwiz framework deep into the gs4 ge phone for if you decide to run touchwize specific things like kies

You completely missed the point, and I don't really think you have any idea of the context.

Android is not optimized for the GS4, the HTC one, or whatever other google phone there is.

Android IS literally coded on the Nexus and that is the phone they use to build the OS.

If you're into video games, it's like how many/most multi-platform games that were made for both PS3/360 were built on the 360 and ported over to the ps3.
 

jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
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You completely missed the point, and I don't really think you have any idea of the context.

Android is not optimized for the GS4, the HTC one, or whatever other google phone there is.

Android IS literally coded on the Nexus and that is the phone they use to build the OS.

If you're into video games, it's like how many/most multi-platform games that were made for both PS3/360 were built on the 360 and ported over to the ps3.
No....your analogy is off base.......Windows and Linux to some degree is written and coded to work a very wide range of hardware, The software works with the hardware drivers. If the hardware vendors want to add new functionality they work with the software programmers to get drivers created or make their own to go through certification. the same process works for Android and the different handset makers. Android in its pure form is very basic. Is a vendor wants to add functionality like all the extra things Samsung does with their phones....then they create their own software layer to run over top of the pure vanilla Android. But they have to work with Android to make sure their software will run with Android on the hardware. It is not ported to run on different phones.....the phones are created to work with Android. then if the want to add functionality that pure vanilla Android does not have....they create their own software layer to run with Android. Not the same as your analogy......
 

Assault

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Mar 19, 2013
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The two main issues they need to address with this new Nexus is improve the camera and battery life. Both were poor with the Nexus 4.

I find the camera to be fine and not an issue for me personally. It may not be the greatest in any one area, but overall a good camera. Obviously, it can get better (especially in low light conditions), but it isn't like it was an awful camera.

And battery life is fairly good for me running Vanir kernel/ROM. I get about 3 to 3.5 hours of screen on time regularly. Are you getting terrible battery life? How many hours of screen on time are you getting?
I'm sure the battery will be bigger in the Nexus 5, but that may be negated by the larger screen size? Probably be about the same as we see now? Doesn't matter to me either way, cause it's gonna be my next phone. :D
 

appledes7

macrumors 6502a
Jul 12, 2011
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I find the camera to be fine and not an issue for me personally. It may not be the greatest in any one area, but overall a good camera. Obviously, it can get better (especially in low light conditions), but it isn't like it was an awful camera.

And battery life is fairly good for me running Vanir kernel/ROM. I get about 3 to 3.5 hours of screen on time regularly. Are you getting terrible battery life? How many hours of screen on time are you getting?
I'm sure the battery will be bigger in the Nexus 5, but that may be negated by the larger screen size? Probably be about the same as we see now? Doesn't matter to me either way, cause it's gonna be my next phone. :D

3.5 hours of screen on time is considered "fairly good"? I consider that awful. And on my Nexus 4 I'm lucky to get 3 hours running CM and Franco kernel.

When you think about it, 3 hours is terrible. Buying a phone that you can only use for 3-4 hours before having to recharge? That's awful.
 

PaulOBrain

macrumors regular
Aug 23, 2013
211
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UK
I find the camera to be fine and not an issue for me personally. It may not be the greatest in any one area, but overall a good camera. Obviously, it can get better (especially in low light conditions), but it isn't like it was an awful camera.

And battery life is fairly good for me running Vanir kernel/ROM. I get about 3 to 3.5 hours of screen on time regularly. Are you getting terrible battery life? How many hours of screen on time are you getting?
I'm sure the battery will be bigger in the Nexus 5, but that may be negated by the larger screen size? Probably be about the same as we see now? Doesn't matter to me either way, cause it's gonna be my next phone. :D

I got about 4-5 and didn't really consider that good battery life, didn't install any custom ROM just ran as stock. Glad you found your camera okay I thought it was poor compared to other smartphones.

Hopefully it will have a bigger battery in the phone I don't think the bigger screen will negate that as it will have better more power saving internals. I actually wouldn't mind a slight price increase if it meant better battery and camera.
 

Assault

macrumors 6502a
Original poster
Mar 19, 2013
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3.5 hours of screen on time is considered "fairly good"? I consider that awful. And on my Nexus 4 I'm lucky to get 3 hours running CM and Franco kernel.

When you think about it, 3 hours is terrible. Buying a phone that you can only use for 3-4 hours before having to recharge? That's awful.

3 hours of screen on time for one phone does not equate the same for all others. All of my phones from the iPhone 4 to my S3 and Nexus4 have all had between 3 and 4 hours of screen on time... but that is simply because I am a heavy user during the day and always have BT and/or tethering on. So for me, I consider 3 to 4 hours fairly good. With the S3 it never mattered, because I had spare batteries. With my Nexus4, I am back to what life was like with an iPhone. Gotta pay attention to battery life if I am gonna be away from an outlet. :)
 

appledes7

macrumors 6502a
Jul 12, 2011
756
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3 hours of screen on time for one phone does not equate the same for all others. All of my phones from the iPhone 4 to my S3 and Nexus4 have all had between 3 and 4 hours of screen on time... but that is simply because I am a heavy user during the day and always have BT and/or tethering on. So for me, I consider 3 to 4 hours fairly good. With the S3 it never mattered, because I had spare batteries. With my Nexus4, I am back to what life was like with an iPhone. Gotta pay attention to battery life if I am gonna be away from an outlet. :)

I just hate having another thing to carry around in my pockets and another thing to keep charged. I bought an Anker Astro Slim 3 and it's a great external battery. But I shouldn't have to change for my phone, it should be the other way around.

If the Nexus 5 has crap battery life, I will probably go with an LG G2 since reviews have all pointed to it having amazing battery life. And having a removable battery or not doesn't bother me. Either way requires me to charge something extra and carry something extra at all times. But with an external battery, especially my Anker Astro Slim 3, it is a 6000 mAh battery in a sturdy metal casing (makes me feel comfortable leaving it in my pocket with my keys), is fairly light, and still the same size if not slightly smaller than my Nexus 4. Plus it has a very nice built in micro USB cable so I don't need to worry about carrying an extra cable. And it has a USB port so you can charge multiple devices at once. Also that way I don't have to deal with taking the back cover off of my phone and having it restart. So to me and for my usage, it's a win win. But I understand everyone has their preferences. I just wish we didn't need to worry so much about carrying extra batteries, whether they are removable or not. I wish manufacturers would just put in large batteries so the consumers didn't have to factor in carrying extra stuff in their buying decision.
 

gotluck

macrumors 603
Dec 8, 2011
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East Central Florida
The nexus 5 will likely be the best value but IMO that doesn't give reason to trash talk gpe s4, one or the moto x as a stock android experience. I like all 4 of them personally.
 

gotluck

macrumors 603
Dec 8, 2011
5,717
1,260
East Central Florida
No....your analogy is off base.......Windows and Linux to some degree is written and coded to work a very wide range of hardware, The software works with the hardware drivers. If the hardware vendors want to add new functionality they work with the software programmers to get drivers created or make their own to go through certification. the same process works for Android and the different handset makers. Android in its pure form is very basic. Is a vendor wants to add functionality like all the extra things Samsung does with their phones....then they create their own software layer to run over top of the pure vanilla Android. But they have to work with Android to make sure their software will run with Android on the hardware. It is not ported to run on different phones.....the phones are created to work with Android. then if the want to add functionality that pure vanilla Android does not have....they create their own software layer to run with Android. Not the same as your analogy......

Very well put IMO
 

appledes7

macrumors 6502a
Jul 12, 2011
756
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Out of a typical 12 hour day, some people spend 25% of it staring into a PHONE?!?! Wow.

Yes, because people only stare at phones and don't use it to consume news, lookup information, use it for their jobs, or communicate with family and friends. Oh wait...
 

Mr D

macrumors 6502
Oct 11, 2007
349
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No....your analogy is off base.......Windows and Linux to some degree is written and coded to work a very wide range of hardware, The software works with the hardware drivers. If the hardware vendors want to add new functionality they work with the software programmers to get drivers created or make their own to go through certification. the same process works for Android and the different handset makers. Android in its pure form is very basic. Is a vendor wants to add functionality like all the extra things Samsung does with their phones....then they create their own software layer to run over top of the pure vanilla Android. But they have to work with Android to make sure their software will run with Android on the hardware. It is not ported to run on different phones.....the phones are created to work with Android. then if the want to add functionality that pure vanilla Android does not have....they create their own software layer to run with Android. Not the same as your analogy......

I'm not sure you understand the reference of optimization in my posts.

What you just spent a whole post explaining, has nothing to do with anything I've said.
 

blackhand1001

macrumors 68030
Jan 6, 2009
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3.5 hours of screen on time is considered "fairly good"? I consider that awful. And on my Nexus 4 I'm lucky to get 3 hours running CM and Franco kernel.

When you think about it, 3 hours is terrible. Buying a phone that you can only use for 3-4 hours before having to recharge? That's awful.

You must be doing something wrong. I get better than that on my Verizon galaxy nexus on mobile data.
 
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