No, I didn't. They specifically marketed it as a 64-bit machine, instead it is software locked from being able to do what they claimed.
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Legacy Macs not supported: Are you worried? What's your plan?
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It's just vintage Apple on display. Cutting off Macs that are going to be less than 4 years old. You could have bought a Macbook back in January 09 and now not been able to keep up with the latest OS. The Mac Mini had a GMA950 (how pathetic) all the way up to March of 09.
As if those Macs truly couldn't run whatever useless iOS bullcrap they're adding now.
Apple either failed to think ahead with their models and now the customers are paying or they completely are just carrying on with their planned obsolescence model.
I don't even care about the latest updates, the iOS crap, and all the other completely useless features they'll be adding. The issue with Apple is if you stay behind in the walled garden you're left for dead. Look at how they treated Leopard and Tiger users with the recent malware. Over 20% of the active userbase and they did nothing for them. No Java updates, nothing, you're on your own.. good luck!
This is my last Apple desktop for certain. All in ones are a "bag of hurt". The power to price ratio sucks and not only are they the epitome of planned obsolescence but hilariously they defy their own reason for existing. Apple always uses that ridiculous comparison of wires on a full sized desktop but if you saw my desk right now, I need an external USB hub because 3 ports is a joke, I need an external HD because the HD inside isn't user serviceable, I need an external card reader, and if I were to stick with Apple I'd need an external Blu Ray player to boot.
As far as notebooks, when the time comes for me to upgrade I'll also be think of switching, but I've gotta admit it's hard to beat Apple's all around game when it comes to notebooks.
As if those Macs truly couldn't run whatever useless iOS bullcrap they're adding now.
Apple either failed to think ahead with their models and now the customers are paying or they completely are just carrying on with their planned obsolescence model.
I don't even care about the latest updates, the iOS crap, and all the other completely useless features they'll be adding. The issue with Apple is if you stay behind in the walled garden you're left for dead. Look at how they treated Leopard and Tiger users with the recent malware. Over 20% of the active userbase and they did nothing for them. No Java updates, nothing, you're on your own.. good luck!
This is my last Apple desktop for certain. All in ones are a "bag of hurt". The power to price ratio sucks and not only are they the epitome of planned obsolescence but hilariously they defy their own reason for existing. Apple always uses that ridiculous comparison of wires on a full sized desktop but if you saw my desk right now, I need an external USB hub because 3 ports is a joke, I need an external HD because the HD inside isn't user serviceable, I need an external card reader, and if I were to stick with Apple I'd need an external Blu Ray player to boot.
As far as notebooks, when the time comes for me to upgrade I'll also be think of switching, but I've gotta admit it's hard to beat Apple's all around game when it comes to notebooks.
They released a cleaning tool that will identify and remove the most common variants of Flashback. I think it would be more proper though if they had released a Java fix as well. It would be unfair to say that they have done nothing, because they have done something, but it's not enough.
I am on a Macbook 5,1 and am unaffected.
No offense, guys, but if you are using a 2006-2007 model you have no room to complain.
There is a reason why these devices are gonna lose their support. Besides making you open up your wallet again, they also do not have to deal with old technology getting in the way of innovation.
Just get yourself a Mac Mini, they are cheap these days. Hell, Hackintosh is the way to go if you dont want to hurt your bank.
There is a reason why these devices are gonna lose their support. Besides making you open up your wallet again, they also do not have to deal with old technology getting in the way of innovation.
Just get yourself a Mac Mini, they are cheap these days. Hell, Hackintosh is the way to go if you dont want to hurt your bank.
I don't think you understood what I'm saying.. I'm not commenting on their horrible handling of not updating java.. I'm saying they completely left Leopard users out in the cold with no java update, no protection, nothing. Hell, there isn't a flashback removal tool even for Snow Leopard, it's just Lion.
Leopard users compose of nearly 20% of the active Mac userbase. That's a large chunk of people to flip the bird to.
Leopard is 5 years old, yes, but it should still receive patches to fix critical holes like this. Not to mention it basically had all support cut off after 4 years.
Look at how Microsoft supports their OSes, not just XP either. Windows 7 has a 11 year long term support plan. Support will not end until 2020. It's completely irresponsible for Apple to use security updates as a hostage to upgrade, but that's what they do.
The sad thing is many of the people who run older versions of OS X just simply aren't really techies, maybe older, or simply not into computers all that much. They are completely oblivious to the point that if they open the wrong Google image or Wordpress site that they may be infected. They are basically running around naked, and this is around 20% of the active Mac userbase.
You do realize that some of these models go as far forward as 2009? Including the Mac Mini and the Macbook? Two of their most popular models.
There is no way that these models aren't capable of running the OS and if some shocking move Apple comes out with a whole new UI that taxes the systems too much then you'd really have to blame Apple because they decided it would be a smart idea to put a horrible GPU in $600 and $1000 systems, just so they could make their more expensive stuff more appealing.
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It does effect me as im on an old white macbook late 2009 thats running 10.5 still, but im not worried really as im only gonna upgrade this to snow leopard and thatll be it i dont really need it to be the latest OS X but i don't like some of the issues with software compatibility i keep running into cause I'm not running 10.6 or later and my machine will run 10.6 smoother then the later OS Xs anyway
and if i ever want mountain lion i always have my mac mini its a 2011 model running lion atm so thatll be mountain lion compatible
and if i ever want mountain lion i always have my mac mini its a 2011 model running lion atm so thatll be mountain lion compatible
Yes, thats why I specifically referred to the 2006-2007 models. No one can sit there and tell me that the x1600 is still top-of-the line electronics.
But do you actually believe it's not good enough to run the operating system? Unless Apple is changing the UI dramatically, let's not fool ourselves. We're talking about running an operating system, not playing a high end game.
This is all on Apple. They decided to shave some profit, use a cheaper GPU and now they are using it as an excuse to drop them. The fact that you could buy a high end computer as little as 3 years ago with a GPU that weak is mind boggling.
I have an iMac (Mid-2007), upgraded to an SSD and now it runs faster and smoother than ever before. Kind of a shame that Apple will not provide support for a computer that I consider more than capable of handling Mountain Lion. Just seems like another money grab tactic to get users to upgrade.
Qft, best post in the thread by far.
That's apple for us these days, a 3 year old macbook or mini can't run a 2012 os, or to be more precise the service pack to their rubbish previous os. All that to premium priced, 50% margin computers. Unbeeffinglivable...
Welcome to the post Steve jobs money grab. Full soulless corporatism in effect. Just take a walk inside the apple store, they're taking full advantage of there effect on customers who lust over "the new" and next status symbol from Apple and I'm not just talking trash because I asked Siri and she agrees.
My 2008 imac is not supported as it uses the ati 2600 video card, i assume you have the 8800 model? Anyway i will upgrade to ML on my 2011 MBA and get a new imac
2006 Mac Pro. I'm pissed that it won't run ML because Apple never provided a firmware update. I don't think hacking will be a viable solution (2006 Mac Pros booting the 64 bit firmware have no sound, among other issues).
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My Mac Pro isn't getting in the way of anything. It has been sold up to early 2008 and is more than powerful enough to run ML. It's much more powerful than my MacBook Pro, which is supported.
But are they completely cutting off support for the Mac's that don't support ML, or will they simply not be able to run the newest version of OS X, however still receive updates?
If I get cut off from upgrading the OS and from critical security fixes within 3-4 years after the purchase date of a Mac, I will be really mad. In comparison, Windows XP has been supported with updates for more than a decade after its release in 2001.
When I buy expensive computers, I expect to use them for at least 5-6 years. One can always use an outdated Mac mini as a media center, file server or a kid's toy - but I do feel sorry for the Mac Pro users who have invested thousands of dollars in one single computer only to experience this.
When I buy expensive computers, I expect to use them for at least 5-6 years. One can always use an outdated Mac mini as a media center, file server or a kid's toy - but I do feel sorry for the Mac Pro users who have invested thousands of dollars in one single computer only to experience this.
than please explain why my macbook that was built in early 2008 and has an intel x3100 card looses support but my dads imac built in mid 2007 doesnt...?
Well wait, isn't being able to upgrade the OS and getting OS support two different things? Yes Windows XP was supported for 10 years but I would not expect to be able to install and run Vista or 7 on a machine that is 10 years or even 5 years old! SL is still getting security updates and I'm guess Lion will still be getting updates long after ML is out. No Apple does not support OSes as long a MS but there seems to be some confusion between getting updates and being able to run the newest OS.
That is crap. Users with 2006/2007 machines do have the right to complain, especially with Apple's extortionate prices. As for old tech getting in the way of innovation, bull, plain bull. It's no skin off Apple's nose to add a few extra drivers for older hardware when feasible. They have made an arbitrary cull at the software level, this forces the choice out of the hands of users and forces them to either fall behind in OS terms or buy even more expensive hardware.
I will be mostly unaffected by this (our oldest white Macbook has developed severe case fractures anyway) but I can sure understand any fellow Mac user who is furious about this.
If Mac Mini's are so cheap, are you going to volunteer to help others out who cannot afford to upgrade? I don't think so.
There was a time not to long ago when Apple supported older hardware and we loved them because of it.
My trusty 500Mhz PM G4 could run Tiger on day one, thats a 5 and half year computer running the latest greatest OS on launch but wait, it gets better. The Power Mac G3s yes G3 could run Tiger as well. Did I mention that my G4 could take a cheap CPU upgrade and put it in Leopard territory? Thats 8 years out up to date OSes of the same hardware.
Will Apple let a 2006 Mac Pro run ML when a 2006 Mac Pro with a $200 CPU upgrade wipes the floor with almost everything Apple currently sells? Of course not, Apple no longer truly cares for it's Macs.
My main machine right now is an early 08 Blackbook and it will forever stay on SL. I will be getting a 09 Pro and CPU upgrade it if and when new Pros are released. It too will run SL for as long as possible.
My trusty 500Mhz PM G4 could run Tiger on day one, thats a 5 and half year computer running the latest greatest OS on launch but wait, it gets better. The Power Mac G3s yes G3 could run Tiger as well. Did I mention that my G4 could take a cheap CPU upgrade and put it in Leopard territory? Thats 8 years out up to date OSes of the same hardware.
Will Apple let a 2006 Mac Pro run ML when a 2006 Mac Pro with a $200 CPU upgrade wipes the floor with almost everything Apple currently sells? Of course not, Apple no longer truly cares for it's Macs.
My main machine right now is an early 08 Blackbook and it will forever stay on SL. I will be getting a 09 Pro and CPU upgrade it if and when new Pros are released. It too will run SL for as long as possible.