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jtara

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ultra-thin bezels

OK, I take back "looks exactly like an iMac Pro". Just similar. Ultra-thin bezels ARE a trend, and implemented in most of the rest of the Apple lineup.

* integrated 1080p webcam/mic
* FaceID / TouchID

I think that's likely, given it would be used with the new Mac Pro and the Mac Mini, as well as a companion for the iMac Pro. I don't think this would be very costly for them to implement, so why not?

USB-C connection capability is a given.

Hmmm.... if thin bezel, I see thin bezel iMac/iMac Pro coming to go with. Otherwise, it will have Jonathan Ive pulling out whatever hair is left.

I would love to see oLed. Backlighting a big screen evenly is a bear. My Samsung 34" curved is pretty awful in that regard, iMac Pro is much better. I assume monitors play games with the pixel levels to compensate for uneven backlight? Sorry to sound dumb, I have little "really big screen" experience with LCD - my TV is still a 50" Samsung plasma - no reason to replace it, and no backlighting, so no uneven backlighting problem! (But, yea, ghosts...)
 
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saulinpa

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So needs to look like iMac Pro. If it doesn't then the iMac Pro will be redesigned to look like it.

OLED has burn in issues so should be off of the table.

If not 8K then think they will simply take the LG monitor and put an Apple logo on it. Who else makes large 200 ppi panels?
 

deconstruct60

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Even after spending three years to develop it? ;)

if they use a gutted iMac case/container to ship in it is extremely likelythat it would not have been 3 years to develop it. They would have spent a significant subset of that time doing it. Three years would only be indicative that they didn't start right away.

Or if there is "Pro Motion" screens that the iMac R&D on that front was on a three year path. Still wouldn't be that the 'monitor' in and of itself was the three year driver. It would be the merge point with the iMac screen major upgrade that would be the primary driver.

Also not particularly been 3 years. Apple didn't start shipping UltraFines until November 2016.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/11/apple-lg-ultrafine-4k-ships/

That ran into a buzzsaw of quality problems from Nov 2016 - Spring 2017. It is extremely likely it was only after Apple had to settle and resolve those problems that they started to think about pulling Display development back "in house" after trying to outsource it to LG. What is closer to the probabe true is that Apple actually completely exited the display business ( not just primary display business which they did back in 2010; it has been 18-19 years at this point. 5+ years if hand wave and try to start clock when the non-Thunderbolt Display docking station disappeared in 2013 after going along in parallel with the Thunderbolt Display docking station. ). They were tenuously in the display docking station business up until ~2016 ( with the outsource to LG ) after coasting 5 years on a Thunderbolt version 1 product. The Thunderbolt display was terminated in June 2016.

if June 2016 is your 3 year mark that is probably fundamentally flawed as a clock start point. That's when they got out of the business. That is pretty much the opposite of starting work on a new one.

They seemed to flip flop on that "exit the business" decision relatively quickly, but momentum was probably 'toast' at that point. 20/20 hindsight it should have been obvious to them that 3rd parties were not going to be motivated to sell a "mac only" (or pragmatically "mac only" ) display. Apple has the keys to selling something like that which other vendors don't inherently have.

If there was a 3rd party vendor willing to step up and do it then Apple would probably outsource it to them. There just isn't one. So Apple needed a new strategy to do something they'd kind of like to get out of. Much higher re-use of iMac R&D is probably the path they will shift to. A non strategic product (only tactical utility) with more cost effective R&D sped to keep themselves in the game.

If Apple can get the Mac Pro restarted at a healthy pace and that raises the sales of "Mac Display docking stations" high enough to get some 3rd part interested in being "outsourced" to again, then Apple may bite on that "Outsource" option again in 3-4 years after release a monitor depending on the health directions with the iMac and Mac laptop docking sales growth direction. If iMacs start having volume problems, but iMac also keeps moving on base display features (more dpi, higher gamut/dynamic range, refresh rate ... maybe even a 3D LUT. ) , then they'll keep it as a backstop on volume drop.
 
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Logix1

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Here is the real value (for me) in Apple's displays:
LG Ultrawide 34UC88-B 34" 3440x1440 vs 5k iMac
I just hope Apple will release a 32" display with the same 218 PPI pixel density
 

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askunk

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OLED has burn in issues so should be off of the table.

Apple is well known to be working in new gen OLED with much less burn-in issues. It is very likely for the iPhone and iPad, but I wouldn't rule out a high-end Pro display, as well. If you want to produce HDR content, you need a screen able to do it at "Apple standards".
 

deconstruct60

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Apple is well known to be working in new gen OLED with much less burn-in issues. It is very likely for the iPhone and iPad, but I wouldn't rule out a high-end Pro display, as well. If you want to produce HDR content, you need a screen able to do it at "Apple standards".

Micro-LEDs don't nessarily avoid burn in issues.

"... and promise to make future gadgets slimmer, brighter and less power-hungry ..."
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/03/18/apple-microled-displays/

Primarily what doing is going to smaller LEDs. They'll have their own problems that go along with the smaller size.

The power savings aspects have about zero impact on iMacs and Display docking stations since they will be plugged in all the time. What this is far more likely aimed at is Apple Watch and Touch Bar first. The batteries on Watch are somewhat too small ( if want to have "real" Dick Tracy like fully independent radio solution ). Likewise an additional screen on a MBP is also an additional battery drain. If Apple is going to squeeze even more "thin" into the next MBP pro design they'll need less power consumption (at perhaps a higher price point).

Slimmer also doesn't about nothing to an iMac and Display docking station. Slimmer bezels perhaps but the z-height issue Apple is pushing with the Watch, iPad, and iPhone isn't a real issue for those two plugged in devices. So zero win is there also.

Brighter? Errr, as long as the iMac and Display Docking station are Display HDR1000 bright that is enough. Again there may be some tie-in with incrementally thinner bezels, but not criticial if not a relative cost effective solution.

There is very little pointing to micro-LEDs being more cost effective to make at all. So relatively large panels ( 21.5 - 27" ) will be a very real issue to do with significantly increasing the costs. Probably going to be far easier to get an acceptable defect rate with smaller panels then larger ones for quite a while after the 1st generation volume production solutions roll out. ( e.g., one defective watch sized screen to "eat" the costs on is probably going to be very significantly cheaper than "eating" a defective 27" screen. )
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ok.. so far it seems we have gathered good convergence on:

* 27-30"

There is about zero convergence on 30". There are no 30" iMacs. There probably are not going to be 30" iMacs. So the 30" is very deeply unmotivated.

If want to toss out a range the more likely one is 21.5 - 27" Not over 27".
( drifting toward 30" is probably trying to sneak 8K back in when it isn't motivated other than fantasy wish list. Bigger tech porn. )


* 16:9 / 16:10

Again the 21.5" is closer to getting a 16:10 option.


Of some class. iMacs just lacking the formal certification I think.

* TB3 single cable connection
* USB-C Gen2 Hub

Get a 'free' USB-C gen 2 port with the second TBv3 port. That doesn't
necessarily get you are another USB hub though (since the other TBv3 port is going to be dedicated to the a path back to the Mac. )

Some of that depends upon how much "other stuff" Apple is putting into the system. A gen 2 class hub pushes the lane bandwidth consumption up into the x2 range.

* ultra-thin bezels [\quote]

There is probably no "tail wags dog" thing here. If the mainstream iMac design is bumped to thinner size bezels then maybe. But the display driving thinner bezels by itself ( or seemingly dragging the iMac into something Apple wasn't already committed to) . That is highly doubtful.



* LCD or newgen qOLED?

cost is an issue. micro-LEDs are a leap. There aren't large (relative to phone) , high volume ( not TV targeted ) OLED panels rumored in the other panel makers roads maps so far. Doubtful Apple is "special" here.


* colour accuracy?

That is really QA in the parts selection than something different. More even panels and a better backlight subsystem could be part of a regular iMac roll out also.


* integrated 1080p webcam/mic [\quote]



Anyone has the rotten fantasy of an eGPU slot on the back of the display? :D

Hopefully, not as it would probably drive up costs for about zero benfit in the Mac Pro space. The display isn't likely to be primarily driven by the MacBook, MBA, and the Mac Mini. MacBook Pro and far more so the Mac Pro will have decent enough GPUs in them. If the display is based off the iMac chassis then there is no room/door for a iGPU. If Apple won't cut a hole to get to the iMac Pro's RAM why would they cut a hole in a Display case of the same baseline for a iGPU? So not likely at all.

The display docking station allowing the Mac laptops to work in clamshell mode is probably "good enough" for this. So if add somewhat redundant Facetime camera and mics that is probably good enough.
 

mattspace

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ok.. so far it seems we have gathered good convergence on:

* 27-30"
* 16:9 / 16:10
* HDR
* TB3 single cable connection
* USB-C Gen2 Hub
* 5K (8K less likely, even more if they implement ProMotion)
* no colour calibration
* glossy finish
* ultra-thin bezels

Unfortunately, this is a description of a consumer display, that professionals in some industries can use.

That is not the same as a "Professional" display - one in which the accuracy (calibration, profiling, consistency etc) of the display to the media being viewed upon it, is a "this job isn't possible / economically viable without it" tool. For example, a film colour grader, or a fine art photo printer.

If we allow the notion, with which Apple has been trying to gaslight us, that any tool used by a "professional" is a "professional tool" then we may as well just accept that the word has been destroyed, and has no utility in language.
 

jtara

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There is about zero convergence on 30". There are no 30" iMacs. There probably are not going to be 30" iMacs. So the 30" is very deeply unmotivated.

Guess what the diagonal measurement of an iMac Pro case (and, presumably, a 27" iMac, as well) is?

I give you one guess. Are you up for guessing?

Then subtract a thin bezel.

Let's see how good you are at math.
 

beepp

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The most important fact is that Apple is not a professional monitor manufacturer.
Eizo, BenQ, and NEC make much better monitors and systems. Apple does not able to do that and they charge tons of money on it. So I totally doubt about Apple making monitors for a new Mac Pro since Eizo, BenQ, and NEC already manufacturing professional monitors. So why do we need an Apple monitor for?

They don't have Apple logo ;)
 
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