LG officially calling Apple's iPhone a copycat?

[Stella]

For the zillionth time, Apple's phone is original in it's interface manipulation and features (full web browser, for example).

Microsoft didn't copy Tiger. They copied System Software 1.0.

For the zillionth time, Apple is NOT original in its features - full web browsing has been available on other phones!!!

Its GUI - yes, but iPhone features are not special!

 

[MovieCutter]

maybe they were going to make it look like that anyway. Who knows.

TS

Nah, that would just be common sense...

 

[rijiMacDij]

Yep, Apple clearly was the copy-cat. Here's what happened:

Steve said he had waited 2 and a half years to make the iPhone announcement. What he didn't tell you was that for those first two years, the Apple engineers on the top-secret iPhone project couldn't come up with anything. Maybe they sat around, in their top-secret lab, looking at rotary phones and 1st-gen iPods, trying to figure out how to hook the two up. Rumor has it one died of boredom, and another quit to go work at Microsoft (something about a revolutionary new music player device).

Then, a few months ago, when LG showed their phone concept, the Apple engineers rejoiced, and went into very severe overdrive trying to make a copy. They had to rush, because they only had a few weeks to produce. They worked only from press releases, pre-release photos and mockups, and grainy cell-phone camera images taken in elevators. They needed engineering drawings, models, tooling, metal and plastic molds. They needed feasibility studies, human factors engineering, plus of course they had to write all those patent applications. Don't forget, they also had to make a tiny embedded version of OS X with all those apps. I'm sure it was just a simple checkbox in XCode, though.

The engineers worked 24/7, in shifts. Some didn't see their families for weeks at a time. Remember, they only had a few months to get it out. But I guess it was only fair, given they'd sat around for two years doing absolutely nothing.

Yeah, I agree. And while LG where wondering what to make their phone look like, nobody from LG ever saw an iPod!

http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.html

Go clear that myth about Apple stealing Xerox please.

A mobile phone like this takes years to develop, it's impossible that Apple copied LG on this one.
The thing is, why would Apple copy anyone? They have the best design team, they make the most beautiful stuff around, why would they need to clone a crappy LG ?

Bravo, and thanks for the link, that was a good read.

 

[snaf]

Ummm ?

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/18/lg_shows_iphone-like_prada_phone/

there is inspiration in all things thats how we advance original or not blah blah but im sorry there are huge differences in the products design from what i see but its really about the features and there implementation and use of technology dont forget price also it is said that apple may have not been first with some of the features but it has brought them together in a certain way that no other company has or will till after the iphone has been in production for a year or two and thats why all the company's are going ape because apple brings the loose concept to its full potential but 2 or 3 steps farther then others may have thought it could have gone (omg a rectangle with white pages... ibook = a leather banded rectangle with text for reading lol) hope they will maybe make use of inkwell in some way from newton the first PDA

 

[islandman]

Poor LG. This is what desperate companies do when someone catches them with their pants down.

 

[dpaanlka]

For the zillionth time, Apple is NOT original in its features - full web browsing has been available on other phones!!!

It certainly separates the LG and Apple.

I'm starting to wonder why some people are so obsessed with absolutely trying to convince everybody that Apple isn't innovative. It's not going to work...

 

[Stella]

Maybe the LG and Apple, but not other phones.

Because some people are open minded / have additional knowledge, i.e., cell phones in this case , to see that Apple aren't as innovative in some areas, as others may suggest?

We can certainly point out the evidence and examples, but of course, its up the each individual reader to make up their own minds. That is what debating general is about - listen to each side of the argument.

It certainly separates the LG and Apple.

I'm starting to wonder why some people are so obsessed with absolutely trying to convince everybody that Apple isn't innovative. It's not going to work...
.

 

[dpaanlka]

Maybe the LG and Apple, but not other phones.

Because some people are open minded / have additional knowledge, i.e., cell phones in this case , to see that Apple aren't as innovative in some areas, as others may suggest?

We can certainly point out the evidence and examples, but of course, its up the each individual reader to make up their own minds. That is what debating general is about - listen to each side of the argument.

Well so far we've heard that the iPhone isn't original because it is shaped similarly to the LG, because touch screens have been around since the 80s, and because some other mystery phone may or may not have full web browsing.

 

[Stella]

Well so far we've heard that the iPhone isn't original because it is shaped similarly to the LG, because touch screens have been around since the 80s, and because some other mystery phone may or may not have full web browsing.

I can assure you there phones that have full web browsing - i.e., Nokia web browser - built on Webkit.

The iPhone looks have been done before - even if it was co-incidence - but thats not down to lack of Apple originality. Touch screen isn't multi touch.

 

[macguysoft]

I can assure you there phones that have full web browsing - i.e., Nokia web browser - built on Webkit.

Yes but who's the company that worked on this Webkit? Just as searching in general isn't new, so is the iPhone. However, I think that most can acknowledge that Apple has implemented these features fairly well and does it right. If any copying is done by Apple, let's just keep in mind that they do it better as we can see with almost all of their products. Widgets and the all-in-one package by apple is what makes the iPhone revolutionary. We'll have to only wait and see if it changes the phone industry. I think it already has taken effect that Microsoft is threatened enough to make a Zune Phone. Zzzzz... The thing with Apple that we love about them is that they build upon a original idea and create their own original idea to make it better. TimeMachine, is a good example of this in my opinion.

As for all this GUI copying, see here:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/72B08E9A-D467-45EA-B214-28D3A340C3E5.html

 

[dukebound85]

Poor LG. This is what desperate companies do when someone catches them with their pants down.

desperate? i happen to think alot of lgs products are really good. i find it hilarious that alot of people cant give credit where it due and are 100% pro apple on everything

It certainly separates the LG and Apple.

I'm starting to wonder why some people are so obsessed with absolutely trying to convince everybody that Apple isn't innovative. It's not going to work...

i dont think anyone is denying apple is innovative. in fact they very much are so. but to say they dont EVER borrow ideas is plain ignorant. I'm starting to wonder why some people are so obsessed with absolutely trying to convince everybody that no company besides apple can be innovative lol

no hard feelings dpaanlka just I strongly disagree with you on this lol

 

[clevin]

Yes but who's the company that worked on this Webkit? Just as searching in general isn't new, so is the iPhone. However, I think that most can acknowledge that Apple has implemented these features fairly well and does it right. If any copying is done by Apple, let's just keep in mind that they do it better as we can see with almost all of their products.

this is what I have to agree, apple copies better. They are innovative in "putting copied techs together" in this iphone thing.

about webkit, let me just say, 80% (maybe more) of the code of webkit is borrowed from opensource project KHTML, not apple's work, actually, u can try the product of this project on linux for yourself, its called Konqueror.

 

[Stella]

clevin has it spot on. Webkit came from Konquerer from KDE.

Also, Nokia have also contributed towards webkit, as have 3rd party developers. So.. its not all Apple Apple Apple.

The fact that people are saying "no other phone does full web browser" is ignorant crap.

Yes but who's the company that worked on this Webkit? Just as searching in general isn't new, so is the iPhone. However, I think that most can acknowledge that Apple has implemented these features fairly well and does it right. If any copying is done by Apple, let's just keep in mind that they do it better as we can see with almost all of their products. Widgets and the all-in-one package by apple is what makes the iPhone revolutionary. We'll have to only wait and see if it changes the phone industry. I think it already has taken effect that Microsoft is threatened enough to make a Zune Phone. Zzzzz... The thing with Apple that we love about them is that they build upon a original idea and create their own original idea to make it better. TimeMachine, is a good example of this in my opinion.

As for all this GUI copying, see here:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/72B08E9A-D467-45EA-B214-28D3A340C3E5.html

"They are innovative in "putting copied techs together" in this iphone thing."

Thats exactly what microsoft have been doing.

 

[leftbanke7]

Maybe I am aestetically blind but other than the shape (although the Prada looks taller and narrower), I don't see enough similarity that would make me think that one copied the other.

I would have to chock this one up to "it's the nature of the beast". Feature packed phones (like the iPhone and the Prada) are going to look like this, regardless of who designs it.

Maybe they are complaining about the thin ear piece slot on the top? Who owns the patent for that?

 

[macguysoft]

Thats exactly what microsoft have been doing.

Yada Yada yada...Excuse the Japanese expression but you just jumped over my discussion. My point was that Microsoft does this in the most junkiest way imaginable. I will grant the Microsoft can indeed do some good copies but they barely understand the concept of usability. Zune is a perfect example of a failure attempt in copying the iPod. As Steve Jobs once said, "the only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste, they have absolutely no taste... I have a problem with the fact that they just make really third rate products".

This is not to say that Apple doesn't have their share of mistakes but this is a normal occurrence in the human world. The important thing is to learn from those mistakes.

The thing with Apple that we love about them is that they build upon a original idea and create their own original idea to make it better. TimeMachine, is a good example of this in my opinion.

Apple didn't say that they invented the Phone or thouchscreen but that they made it better. If you don't think so then I don't wish to convince anyone since the consumers and market will ultimately decide that. I mean no offense to you in the way I expressed myself but you do bring up half-true points that needs to be further discussed to make it all truth.

 

[clevin]

SJ did say apple "re-invent the phone", wonder what u think about that?

the statement of "time machine being apple's original idea, and make it better", one word, false, check shadow copy of windows first.

Please, even if Stella is being critical, he is telling more data based statements than your posts. ur posts have too much personal feelings, rather than data and facts.

 

[MacFan25863]

SJ did say apple "re-invent the phone", wonder what u think about that?

the statement of "time machine being apple's original idea, and make it better", one word, false, check shadow copy of windows first.

Please, even if Stella is being critical, he is telling more data based statements than your posts. ur posts have too much personal feelings, rather than data and facts.

Would you mind using proper words and grammar? I don't want to be a "grammar nazi" here, but it's getting to the point where it is hard to even understand what you are saying. For example, could you start using complete sentences and using "you" instead of "u"?

I think you would find that it would be a lot easier to discuss things with people if you write intelligently.

 

[macguysoft]

SJ did say apple "re-invent the phone", wonder what u think about that?

Hope you're not referring to me because if so, you didn't really read what I had said...

As for the webkit, i agree with you and didn't mean to imply that Apple invented it but helped the project out and actually there are independent mac developers who contribute to this project. So all in all, i didn't necessary want to imply that it was all Apple but tried to say that Apple had a part in the development itself so they are allowed to use it. Some PC users do bring this up as apple copying but i was merely adding the point that Apple helped the development so not everything is a "copy". Besides, the idea of a web browser is nothing new in itself but the user experience can be improved. I personally don't own a Nokia but do is it done as well as the iPhone? It's good to know that more people are using webkit but this probably won't defeat the gecko engine.

Anyhow, may i inquire as to where you got the conclusion that Apple developed around 20% of the code? I'm just wondering if this was actually researched to be accurate.