Lincoln Navigators!!!

[e²Studios]

I would probably bet that my 2004 Range Rover gets worse gas mileage than the Lincoln Navigator, but I cant say for sure. I dont drive it all too much, thinking to sell it by the years end.

One thing i can say is that for most people if you can afford the car chances are you can afford the fuel and upkeep on it. It probably costs me $75 to fill the tank on the Range Rover but it in no way breaks me.

Why sell it? Its not the fuel economy or fuel costs, its because i have had nothing but problems with the damn thing. 2 years old and its already had its transmission replaced, the ECU replaced, and the navigation system replaced, Rovers arent made very well imo.

To the OP, my friend has a Navigator and she loves it, its a comfortable ride, have fun. On an off note if you want a 2004 Range Rover ill sell you mine, it has a new drivetrain

Ed

 

[nickelbackmac]

I love the navigators. They looks great. I've been looking for something a bit sportier though as I already have the hummer for long distance.

THANK YOU! I have a friend who ad a Hummer but it was breaking down so much she traded it for on '06 Chevy SUV

 

[nickelbackmac]

I would probably bet that my 2004 Range Rover gets worse gas mileage than the Lincoln Navigator, but I cant say for sure. I dont drive it all too much, thinking to sell it by the years end.

One thing i can say is that for most people if you can afford the car chances are you can afford the fuel and upkeep on it. It probably costs me $75 to fill the tank on the Range Rover but it in no way breaks me.

Why sell it? Its not the fuel economy or fuel costs, its because i have had nothing but problems with the damn thing. 2 years old and its already had its transmission replaced, the ECU replaced, and the navigation system replaced, Rovers arent made very well imo.

To the OP, my friend has a Navigator and she loves it, its a comfortable ride, have fun. On an off note if you want a 2004 Range Rover ill sell you mine, it has a new drivetrain

Ed

I love the R.R. we own a body repair shop to repair cars and transmission, and we have a towing business. A-1 Towing LLC and Southwest Collision, Auto Sales and Transmission/Body Repair. Not to mention the real estate. By the way, we are currently working on a R.R. and I love the inside. But for now, I'll stick with my Lincoln.

Anybody got a recommendation for a good SUV?

 

[dpaanlka]

The Lincoln Navigator, and all Lincolns for that matter, are the textbook example of gaudy to the point of disgusting. They wonder why most Luxury car buyers don't take them very seriously. There is essentially no refinement in Lincolns compared to say BMW, MB, and even Cadillac and current Buicks.

A Navigator is also a "fake" SUV in the sense that it's two purposes is to be gaudy and carry a lot of people. It has all off-road capeability and "truck-ness" removed from the car wheras Tahoe Z71, while a hair smaller than a Navigator, would climb all over it. The comparison of the two is unfair, not only for that reason, but because they are in a different size class. A better size comparison would be the Suburban - which of course ousts the Navigator, as does it's Cadillac cousin, the Escalade ESV.

If your so concerned about moving people around, why not buy a similarly priced Mercedes R class or GL class. Twenty times more refined, and way cooler than a Navigator... and faster too. Even an Escalade ESV would be a better choice. All those cars, while having similar off-road capeability of a Navigator, are way more prestigeous, refined, *cooler*, just plain better.

Lincoln is a joke. The Luxury car for people who don't care about cars. The Luxury car for people who don't do real-life test drives, or do real research, or (most commonly) continue to insist on buying Fords even though every other brand has higher quality products - including GM.

 

[michaeldmartin]

Get a caddalac cien when they come out; why not?? V12 engine at 750 horsepower!

 

[Silencio]

Exactly. People on this board love to get so preachy and high and mighty about how OTHER people spend their money.

Too bad that gas is a global commodity. Higher demand caused by many people driving lower-mileage vehicles drives up gas prices for everyone. And SUVs are subject to less stringent emissions standards -- everyone has to breathe air that is more polluted when the mix of SUVs and light trucks on the road is higher.

Personal choices do affect others. I am all for rugged individualism, but we must remember our lives and choices don't exist in a vacuum.

Give me a good, working SUV any day. No leather seats. No flip-screen LCDs with DVD player. Something that can actually, you know, go off-road. For moving people around, a good minivan will do the trick nicely and cost less money to purchase and keep filled with gas, but I suppose they won't be quite as fulfilling in a Freudian kind of way...

 

[nickelbackmac]

The Lincoln Navigator, and all Lincolns for that matter, are the textbook example of gaudy to the point of disgusting. They wonder why most Luxury car buyers don't take them very seriously. There is essentially no refinement in Lincolns compared to say BMW, MB, and even Cadillac and current Buicks.

A Navigator is also a "fake" SUV in the sense that it's two purposes is to be gaudy and carry a lot of people. It has all off-road capeability and "truck-ness" removed from the car wheras Tahoe Z71, while a hair smaller than a Navigator, would climb all over it. The comparison of the two is unfair, not only for that reason, but because they are in a different size class. A better size comparison would be the Suburban - which of course ousts the Navigator, as does it's Cadillac cousin, the Escalade ESV.

If your so concerned about moving people around, why not buy a similarly priced Mercedes R class or GL class. Twenty times more refined, and way cooler than a Navigator... and faster too. Even an Escalade ESV would be a better choice. All those cars, while having similar off-road capeability of a Navigator, are way more prestigeous, refined, *cooler*, just plain better.

Lincoln is a joke. The Luxury car for people who don't care about cars. The Luxury car for people who don't do real-life test drives, or do real research, or (most commonly) continue to insist on buying Fords even though every other brand has higher quality products - including GM.

I had a Z71 and I hated it. I never really bought this, it was an anniversary gift from my wife, and she pays for it. Personally, I like the ESV Platinum better, but she doesn't want to trade until October, so I will personally let you know what she chooses. You don't need to discriminate our car choices, you may like what you like, but I'm not some idiot like you think. You're the one who just won't shut up. And Lincoln is not a joke... you are.


To everyone else: Thanks for not being such an ******* like this member is.

 

[michaeldmartin]

Too bad that gas is a global commodity. Higher demand caused by many people driving lower-mileage vehicles drives up gas prices for everyone. And SUVs are subject to less stringent emissions standards -- everyone has to breathe air that is more polluted when the mix of SUVs and light trucks on the road is higher.

Personal choices do affect others. I am all for rugged individualism, but we must remember our lives and choices don't exist in a vacuum.

Give me a good, working SUV any day. No leather seats. No flip-screen LCDs with DVD player. Something that can actually, you know, go off-road. For moving people around, a good minivan will do the trick nicely and cost less money to purchase and keep filled with gas, but I suppose they won't be quite as fulfilling in a Freudian kind of way...

No, it's because new leaders of oil countries decide "Why not just drive the price up two dollars per gallon? No one will notice!" Then everyone else follows suit.

 

[Silencio]

THANK YOU! I have a friend who ad a Hummer but it was breaking down so much she traded it for on '06 Chevy SUV

Aren't the H2 and H3 built on Chevy chassis to begin with? Do they use Chevy drivetrains, as well?

 

[Silencio]

No, it's because new leaders of oil countries decide "Why not just drive the price up two dollars per gallon? No one will notice!" Then everyone else follows suit.

True, that. Plus there are pinch points in the oil supply at the refinery level in the US, leaving yet another opportunity for the oil companies to arbitrarily set supply and price.

The only way we can fight all this is to simply lower our demand for oil.

 

[nickelbackmac]

Aren't the H2 and H3 built on Chevy chassis to begin with? Do they use Chevy drivetrains, as well?

I'm not sure. They remind me of the Chevy HHR. This is so weird, I own a body repair shop, yet I am unable to answer this question.

 

[dpaanlka]

You don't need to discriminate our car choices, you may like what you like, but I'm not some idiot like you think.

It has nothing to do with *liking* as I like normal cars more than SUVs. It's a matter of common sense. If you don't want to hear what others think, then don't post about your car in a public forum. I can't see how anybody who is searching for a car in the $50k - $60k price range could possibly select a Lincoln as the best choice. They simply don't cut it when compared to the competition.

I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but I want everyone who is considering a Lincoln to, you know, actually look at other cars. I'm sure you'll change your mind once you do.

You're the one who just won't shut up. And Lincoln is not a joke... you are.

No, I'm pretty sure Lincoln is.

To everyone else: Thanks for not being such an ******* like this member is.

Nobody is swearing but you. Nice private message, by the way.

I'm not sure. They remind me of the Chevy HHR. This is so weird, I own a body repair shop, yet I am unable to answer this question.

Maybe in appearance, but they're both much larger. As for Chevy drivetrains - All GM consumer trucks use Chevy drivetrains, or variants of them.

 

[e²Studios]

As for Chevy drivetrains - All GM consumer trucks use Chevy drivetrains, or variants of them.

GM Transmissions are one of the most widley used in both foreign and domestics. German manufacturers, Japanese manufacturers and American manufacturers all use GM transmissions in some if not most all their vehicles. I read an article online about this and it jsut amazed me.

Ed

 

[dpaanlka]

GM Transmissions are one of the most widley used in both foreign and domestics. German manufacturers, Japanese manufacturers and American manufacturers all use GM transmissions in some if not most all their vehicles. I read an article online about this and it jsut amazed me.

Ed

Interesting... I'm not so sure about that though. GM transmissions are rather low grade, they are only now finally putting six speeds into their cars. Some GMs don't even have GM transmissions, such as certain GMC products which use Allison transmissions.

Honda does use GM diesels in Europe though. GM uses some Honda V6s in the United States, however.

 

[CompUser]

With the newer style expedition and navigator, I just think they are massive on the outside, wide in the inside, but not as spacious as they should be considering the size of the car. My dad had a rental one once it appeared that the distance between the grill and the radiator was 1 foot

My dad''s 2003 Land Rover Discovery has a 4.6l V8, the same engine used in pre 2003 Range Rovers. This thing guzzles gas faster than you can chug a little box of milk. It averages 13mph around town. 16-17mpg max on the highway. It just had a massive amount of work done. New computer, new battery, alternator, new door lock, new A/C system, and an oil change. All of the work was done out of warranty. We were supposed to get it back monday, but they ordered the wrong part. We picked it up today, my mom paid the enormous bill, and we left. About 5 min after leaving the radio went out and water was leaking onto my moms feat. She turned around drove back really fast and yelled at them (she just spent thousands and thousands fixing the car)- I love when she is mad- she flipped the s*** on them.

Anyways don't buy a land rover. They are too unreliable. At least we got a better loaner car this time- LR3 HSE (you know they want us to buy a new car after this ordeal, and we are, but probably not an LR3)

 

[jamesW135]

The Lincoln Navigatior just dosn't look like a good car to me. It's comfy and all but does anyone really like the design?

 

[mark!]

The Lincoln Navigatior just dosn't look like a good car to me. It's comfy and all but does anyone really like the design?

People for some reason think oversized vehicles are attractive.
They are wasteful & pointless & take up the road, and the majority that drive them are jack asses.

 

[CompUser]

People for some reason think oversized vehicles are attractive.
They are wasteful & pointless & take up the road, and the majority that drive them are jack asses.

I guess everyone in my town is a Jackass. Everyone here has an SUV. If they don't they have a volvo xc70.

 

[Platform]

I love the navigators. They looks great. I've been looking for something a bit sportier though as I already have the hummer for long distance.

H1, H2 or H3 ?

The H1 is amazing in the terrain...I guess it's a H2 (long trips or?)

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

Don't think so.

Now ready to purchase my 2007 and I'm getting impatient with Ford! The "oversizedness" of them gives me more space than my Tahoe did. Plus, family trips are important so we need a big SUV.

Not sure how big your family is. But in my "family" of "four" we were able to deal with the likes a an Olds Vista Cruiser.

We have become a nation of excess. Big SUV's. 2000sf+ homes. 40# "carry-on" bags.

Never mind in 20+ years we still have an average 20mpg or so. We should have learned that personal greed is not good for the world needs.

 

[NGC 104]

I guess everyone in my town is a Jackass. Everyone here has an SUV. If they don't they have a volvo xc70.

In the very rural place I live most people have town cars, because that's all they need for the most part. The SUVs are owned by farmers and people who actually need the utility of a 4x4 occasionally. The rest are urban refugees trying to look like landed gentry. That's pretty much how it is throughout the whole country. The locals here laugh at city dwellers who seem to be so fixated with looking 'manly' as they drive to and from the supermarket. To see city streets crammed full of huge gas-guzzling SUVs tricked out with spotlights, bullbars, winches, snorkels, etc, being driven by guys in suits and women in evening dresses is just plain hilarious.

Somebody already mentioned something about a right to rugged individualism, but it's hard to see why some city CPA (who only ever goes 'offroad' when he has one vino too many after work and accidentally backs over the geraniums) should even be permitted to cause so much damage and hardship to the rest of the world by owning an utterly inappropriate and useless (to him) vehicle. I'm in favor of new licence restrictions which require a would-be 4x4 owner to demonstrate a genuine need for an SUV (other than "Oh, we ski!" or "I plan to go offroading...sometime...eventually...") . I know that's an unpopular opinion, but I standby it.

Oh and "Hi all, first post!" and all that!

 

[Sun Baked]

This is the Dodge Sprinter poeple mover with a MB grill and bumper cover -- it is after all a MB with a Dodge or Freightliner badge.

But it also gets about 25MPG, so compared to the SUV...

Of course, there are AWD options available for retrofit.

Of course it is a van (used by UPS and Fedex), and those and station wagons are avoided because they are not as sexy as SUVs.

 

[quagmire]

The 2007 Lincoln Navigator: http://forum.avtoindex.com/foto/data/media/51/2007_lincoln_navigator_1.jpg

Ugly( IMO, since looks are subjective), and still uses the antique 300 HP V8. For my money give me the Escalade with the Vortec 6200(403 HP) with the Hydra-Matic 6L80 6 speed transmission. The new trucks and SUV's were originally going to have 6 speeds across the board, but GM sped up the release date of the 900's, but couldn't speed up retooling for the 6 speed. The 6 speed transmission should be in the 900's by 2008.

Interesting... I'm not so sure about that though. GM transmissions are rather low grade, they are only now finally putting six speeds into their cars. Some GMs don't even have GM transmissions, such as certain GMC products which use Allison transmissions.

Honda does use GM diesels in Europe though. GM uses some Honda V6s in the United States, however.

It is true in the most part I have read. I know BMW has used the 5 speed Hydra-Matic in there cars, not sure about any other company though. GM and Ford worked on a FWD 6 speed together, but the RWD 6 speed is all GM. GM makes pretty dependable automatic transmissions. I am not surprised other companies buy the Hydra-Matics. While, the Hydra-matic 4 speeds are old, there sure are dependable. Nothing low grade about them besides the number of gears inside of them.

As good as the Hydra-Matics are though, for Heavy Duty purposes, the Allison transmission is the most dependable Heavy Duty transmission there is. Mated to the Duramax Diesel V8, it is a killer combo. The Allison is in the Silverado/Sierra 2500 HD and up and only available if you get the Duramax Diesel. The gasoline variants have Hydra-Matics. It is true that Honda uses GM Diesel engines in Europe and a 3.5 V6 from Honda in the Saturn Vue. Really, GM was the one that really benefited. Come 2008 when the Vue gets redesigned it will not have the Honda V6 anymore as the deal ends in '07.

 

[CompUser]

This is the Dodge Sprinter poeple mover with a MB grill and bumper cover -- it is after all a MB with a Dodge or Freightliner badge.

But it also gets about 25MPG, so compared to the SUV...

Of course, there are AWD options available for retrofit.

Of course it is a van (used by UPS and Fedex), and those and station wagons are avoided because they are not as sexy as SUVs.

From what I heard they put the "Freightliner" name on them in america because these are mainly work vans and customers of plumbers, electricians, etc, might think that they are being overcharged if the workman is driving a mercedes.