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Lion last Mac Os X?

kevin2i said:
To make drastic changes just for the sake of change is ill advised. [...] I think the average user is more concerned about 'apps' selection, trouble-free operation, and device integration rather than a jazzed up desktop.
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Exactly. There's nothing wrong with the global way of how the OS X UI currently works. There've been a lot of substantial changes under the hood in Leopard and Snow Leopard, but these aren't the things user really notice with their day to day computing. All that's left is refining all the little things, that in the end add up to quite a substantial change in how easy and fast you can do things.

A sudden and complete overhaul of the (entire) UI is the last thing anyone should want. Look at Mission Control that's being used as the new Exposé in Lion. Just a single feature that was changed, but it has a huge impact on many people's workflows, and everyone is freaking out that this is suddenly different. Imagine how this would be if suddenly everything was changed. No thanks.
 
I'm not saying that OS X Lion and Snow Leopard aren't great, but I think its about time to move onto something new, a brand new experience..

Also would be nice imo to see new icons, I remember the move from Windows XP to Vista the GUI was greatly improved, icons were completely redesigned, the window became transparent.. I wouldn't mind seeing icon updated on OS11..

And maybe a 3D desktop environment, just a thought, I know theres an application for that, but it'd be nice to see something totally brand new..
 
lol , when i started to read the latest reply in this topic i noticed how i despise the name "OS11" haha. OS X just seems so much better to me , but that's probably because im just used to that name.

I dont know , is it just me or what?

I do agree , however, that Apple should update its UI in OS 11, or whatever they end up calling it. I'd rather not have my Mac turn into an iPad however.
 
Yamcha said:
I'm not saying that OS X Lion and Snow Leopard aren't great, but I think its about time to move onto something new, a brand new experience..
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How is this necessarily a good thing? New experiences mean learning new things. When people are used to do things a certain way for years and years, changing that just brings along a lot of problems. Things are changing all the time in OS X, but small changes are enough to keep everything familiar and thus easy to use.

Yamcha said:
Also would be nice imo to see new icons, I remember the move from Windows XP to Vista the GUI was greatly improved, icons were completely redesigned, the window became transparent.. I wouldn't mind seeing icon updated on OS11..
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What kind of new icons? A completely different type of icon for each application, so that nobody knows anymore what's what? Icon dimensions are getting bigger in OS X all the time. They're at 512px now, and I believe the new AirDrop icon is 1024px. This means they're extremely detailed.

As for XP: the icons in Windows are way less important than they are in OS X, and the layout of XP was pretty ancient, even for it's time. So there was much to improve.
 
C64 said:
How is this necessarily a good thing? New experiences mean learning new things. When people are used to do things a certain way for years and years, changing that just brings along a lot of problems. Things are changing all the time in OS X, but small changes are enough to keep everything familiar and thus easy to use.

What kind of new icons? A completely different type of icon for each application, so that nobody knows anymore what's what? Icon dimensions are getting bigger in OS X all the time. They're at 512px now, and I believe the new AirDrop icon is 1024px. This means they're extremely detailed.

As for XP: the icons in Windows are way less important than they are in OS X, and the layout of XP was pretty ancient, even for it's time. So there was much to improve.
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Totally spot on. Also, look how long the old system went on for, all the way up to OS 9. Nothing changed massively for a long time (still the same basic UI with stuff added on).

I really think OS X has a long life ahead of it yet. If you're bored and don't like the way things work then use another OS instead...
 
OS X Lion to me is a huge improvement over SL. I also think they can continue to make these kinds of improvements over the next 2-3 years before re-doing the whole OS (depending on how successful Windows 8 will be). I think they can improve the multi-touch trackpad experience in the next major OS update, such as gestures to open/close/minimize applications, etc.

There is certainly alot of life left in OS X. I was way more impressed with Lion than iOS 5.
 
Here is the thing, OS X does what it needs to do as an OS and does it very well. I think we are at a point where the technology behind the desktop operating system has really matured.

There will always be changes and as someone else mentioned, evolution but I think we are past the point of revolutionary changes with every release. It used to be hat a big part of what was holding back software was hardware, that is not the case anymore and I think the last few releases have really made up for any deficiencies from a lack of good enough hardware.

The desktop OS "project" is done for the most part. It is time to move on to the next thing, iOS.
 
At the rate this is going Lion might be the last Mac OS X i'll use. Next thing we know, it will be known as iOS X and we'd need Cydia to jailbreak our Macs LOL. But really, i think this is the maximum relation i'd like with iOS and Mac OS X.
 
Ugh... the "I don't know just completely different" people are annoying as hell.

Unless you've got specifics in mind, your opinion is pretty much useless and people with the same mindset tend to run businesses into the ground if they somehow managed to get themselves in such a position.

Negatives:

--Immense time/money investment for Apple.

--Immense time/money investment for developers.

--That app you think is the most important thing in the world for whatever reason might not get updated for the new OS in a timely manner if ever.

--People have to teach their computer illiterate family members and friends how to do things again.

--People have to get used to different ways of doing things.

Positives:

Oh right. There are none, because this was the brain child of "I don't know just different" morons.

IMO, stick with bug fixes and small process improvements. There are a ton of bugs/quirks with the way expose'/mission-control is working right now. iTunes could use some usability tweaks like being able to drag multiple playlists via home sharing. Simple things... It seems like the whole iCloud thing might help with some of this, so we're not stuck with buggy third party programs to update multiple copies of the same library. Etc.

If they come up with a great new interface/whatever... awesome. But I'd like it to start out as an idea, go through usability tests, and QA not "just different because".
 
For all intents and purposes the desktop is done. iOS is the post-pc future. It will gain complexity and power over time and will eventually be the platform we do all of our computing on. Some may see this as a validation of Microsoft's Windows 8 approach. I think it is quite the opposite: You have to start with a platform built on a radical new approach (does "the something different crowd" not recognise that iOS IS this "something different"?) and then scale up. You can't just take a complex paradigm ("the desktop") and bolt on a shiny veneer of touch any more than you can put lipstick on a pig and marry it.

I don't see the merge of iOS and OS X happening in that same way. We'll see a gradual evolution and phasing out of the desktop and thus Mac OS X as we know it. It is mature and improving still (Lion is definitely on par with Leopard when it comes to feature and UX advances), and will for the foreseeable future.

But no, there will never be another "revolutionary" desktop OS.
 
For all intents and purposes the desktop is done.
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A load of crap in my opinion. Some people actually do use computers for computer-y purposes and (shocking, I know) work. I enjoy the iPad, but it isn't a full computer...and a lot of people both want and need a real computer, not just an information appliance. Hence, even if Apple and Microsoft decide that they are only going to be 'infotainment' companies from here on out, researchers, governments, IT workers and computer power users will simply be required to use a linux derivative.
 
Riemann Zeta said:
A load of crap in my opinion. Some people actually do use computers for computer-y purposes and (shocking, I know) work. I enjoy the iPad, but it isn't a full computer...and a lot of people both want and need a real computer, not just an information appliance. Hence, even if Apple and Microsoft decide that they are only going to be 'infotainment' companies from here on out, researchers, governments, IT workers and computer power users will simply be required to use a linux derivative.
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You are under the assumption that iOS and iPad (and future iteration) won't evolve to give you the same or better processing power that your computer gives you now. And for the foreseeable future you are right. I share the exact same sentiment, and have since the day the iPad was announced.

But that is short term. Long term the desktop as we know it is done.

Addendum: I should also point out that "done" in that first sentence means "done" in the sense that the desktop as a concept is finished, fully formed, mature, and won't be re-thought or revolutionised or whatever silly ideas people have for "Mac OS 11".
 
Have you seen this? It's Steve's latest plans for Post-Lion...

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Also, OS 10.9 "Cougar" is in the works too.
 
I actually like the direction Lion is going. OSX has grown into a great OS and the only thing that will really change is how we interact with our machines. The gesture base navigation makes many common tasks very simple and I love it. I don't want to see OSX turn into iOS, but them adding the functionality of basically turning your Mac into an iPad (launchpad)is a great idea. I'm hoping at some point, the iOS/Mac app stores become one, so every app is universal between all Apple products. There are plenty of iPhone apps i'd love to have on my Mac.
 
If Lion is the last OS X, that would either mean that:
  • A. iOS will run on desktop computers and run all the applications in the App Store at least
or
  • B. Desktops are no more and you can no longer run things like Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, CAD applications, etc... You can only run these on PCs (except Final Cut Pro of course, which won't run at all anywhere).

I think that both of these is highly unlikely. Apple is just about to release Final Cut Pro X, which will only run on OS X. Would they just abandon the investments they made into that amazing Software? I think not.

What about Macs? The MacBook Air, the iMac, the Mac Pro, etc... they're all extremely popular computers. They would have to run OS X, or at least an iOS that behaves like OS X, but then isn't that OS X?

So on, Lion isn't the last OS X.
 
c64 said:
exactly. There's nothing wrong with the global way of how the os x ui currently works. There've been a lot of substantial changes under the hood in leopard and snow leopard, but these aren't the things user really notice with their day to day computing. All that's left is refining all the little things, that in the end add up to quite a substantial change in how easy and fast you can do things.

A sudden and complete overhaul of the (entire) ui is the last thing anyone should want. Look at mission control that's being used as the new exposé in lion. Just a single feature that was changed, but it has a huge impact on many people's workflows, and everyone is freaking out that this is suddenly different. Imagine how this would be if suddenly everything was changed. No thanks.
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I think Lion is the last "OSX" OS from apple. Instead we'll see something along the lines of
iOS Mobile for the iPhone and iPad and iOS Desktop for Macs. Not to say that iOS Desktop would be iOS but rather a rebranding of OSX to provide a unified product. It was reported that apple was seriously considering this earlier this year before they announced Lion so its conceivable they'll merge the two in some form.
 
OS X is nowhere near the end of its life.

It's scalable so there's no need to replace it. OS 9 was replaced because it couldn't compete with other operating systems (including Windows) from a technological standpoint. OS X may change dramatically over the next several years to the point where it becomes much more like iOS, but at the heart its still OS X.

Apple don't have the manpower to manufacture a new operating system, it takes a small team a year to get from Snow Leopard to Lion. It takes a huge operation taking several years to develop a new platform. And what with Apple poaching staff from OS X to work on iOS, there's no way it's even a possibility right now.

Apple are set with OS X for a while. It's a strong, reliable, scalable platform. If Microsoft can get from XP to 7 on the same NT kernel that tells me that there's still another 20 years left in OS X.
 
I believe the next release will be OS XI in which I think Apple will further blur the lines between syncing content between Mac and iOS. I don't believe the desktop metaphor will change, or the dock or icons, but I do believe Apple will continue to simplify the user experience. Perhaps dedicating some time to simplify the Finder to make it more user friendly for the general customer base who does not understand things such as the file hierarchy. But for the most part I think the Mac OS will remain very much like it is, just more powerful and more easy to use.

iOS is where we are going to see innovation, I think. That is an OS in its ascendance.
 
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