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Lion/ML haters post here, has Lion evolved?
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As opposed to your implication that they don't really want Windows but use it anyway.
Seriously?
You're still insisting that the majority of the world is using Windows because they have lowered their standards? Or that people are so ignorant they don't know something better exists? Arrogant much? And I'm not buying this elitist attitude that all Macs are priced so far out of reach that Windows users can only look upon us with longing and envy.
Here's the bottom line Sparky:
The world mainly uses the Windows OS. There are statistics to prove this. Ergo it is the preferred OS. It is not being shoved down somebody's throat to the extent you think nor is MS or OEM's forcing anyone to buy the PC's that run it.
Show me official statistics or independent studies where those poor, unfortunate, stupid, and misguided people that are using Windows would really prefer something else. Then show me those studies which explain why they haven't gone to that "something" else.
That is mainly why I went back to SL.
I used Lion for 6 months, and recently upgraded to ML. Now I use ML "on the side". (I cloned my mac to an external drive and just use ML from there). After evaluating what ML has to offer over Lion I bit the bullet and reinstalled Snow Leopard.
Could I live with Lion? Sure and once the bugs are worked out of ML then I could live with that OS as well. But I realized I don't have to. The latest version of MS-Office works with Snow Leopard just fine. As does Lightroom 4 (which actually resizes correctly on SL but not on ML). Photoshop is blazingly fast. My SSD boots in 12 seconds (I avoid sleep because I really need the extra juice between travel stops). And speaking of extra juice there's no comparison to the dismal battery life I got with both "Lions".
I even went back to Mail and iCal in Snow Leopard. (I don't need iCloud because I have an Exchange account). Perhaps I'm just going through a nostalgic trip down memory lane when I say "I forgot what I was missing".
Everything still makes sense on SL. It's hard to explain.
Are Snow Leopard's days numbered? Of course but until my MBP dies it still has life. When that happens I'm going to see how much of iOS gets entrenched in the guts of OSX then decide whether to abandon the Mac platform altogether.
There's still hope the naysayers like me can prevail (somewhat). Apple put back full Expose and also reintroduced a facsimile of "Save As" in Mountain Lion.
Well, I was going to write how Mountain Lion seems like an improvement to me over Lion. I still keep a Snow Leopard HDD that I update periodically . I just did that last week. I'm really comfortable with SL's simplicity but ML is better.
My three Macs, a MBP, MP and mini, get benchmarked with Geekbench 64-bit and Cinebench when there is an OS upgrade. Mountain Lion tests faster than the previous Mac OSs.
Since people want to talk about Windows I'll add that I replaced my MP Windows 7 drive with a Windows 8 one. Metro sucks bigtime but with most of the stupid Metro apps uninstalled or off the start page W8 isn't so bad. The new "flat" desktop look needs some shadows but looks pretty good. W8 performance is very good.
At this point Windows 8 is handling all of my Windows needs. Other than its obnoxiously large start screen (instead of the desktop start button) and goofy start up and shut down operations I enjoy using it and am planning on buying the upgrade in October. Excel and Word are much nicer to use on Windows than on a Mac though the Mac operation is totally usable.
I am so sick of that word.
Then they're deluding themselves.
But MS supports their legacy OS's for up to 10 years.
Spaces/Expose' are separate. Use one, the other or both. (Plus they actually make sense and work with the keyboard).
Save/Save As
BetterTouchTool gives "Lion-esque" gestures.
Front Row
No Twitter/FB baked into the OS.
Better Battery life.
Dual monitors.
... just to name a few.
1) If you're sick of "that word"; I am sorry.
2) Nobody's deluding themselves. Me, my friends and many others believe that Mountain Lion is a very "speedy" and smooth operating system. And yes, Mountain Lion runs faster than Snow Leopard on some Mac's; especially on the SSD ones, since it's an OS which takes full advantage of SSD's while Snow Leopard doesn't.
3) I used Windows XP as an example of an oldish operating system. Also, believe it or not; most of the up-coming apps will "drop" their support for Snow Leopard. As the time goes by developers stop considering Snow Leopard that much. They create programs which can run flawlessly on the newest OS's.
-Save/Save as: Believe me millions of users have overcome this. Having only "Save" as an option is not a big deal.
-Spaces/Expose: Mission Control can do anything the can do and it REALLY feels like you have a second, third, or even more monitors.
-Battery life: Some people say that they run out of battery has worsened but others say that it increased. Who knows? When Snow Leopard releases many said that Leopard had much more battery life than Snow Leopard. These kind of things are ALWAYS controversial.
-Twitter/Facebook: You don't like the? DON'T USE THEM.
THE ONLY REAL PROBLEM on Mountain Lion is the ineffective management of dual monitors.
Ah, just to let you know. Mountain Lion has GREAT features such as Airplay Mirror, built-in Facebook & Twitter and many others which you can find out yourself by visiting apple.com or searching Google. I hope you're not one of those guys who hate on Mountain Lion just because they haven't tried it or don't want to pay 20 bucks. You're trying to find weak "spots" of Mountain Lion just to convince yourself to believe that your operaing system (Snow Leopard) is superior. TECHNOLOGY MOVES ON JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE. I don't say that Snow Leopard is bad, but don't offend Mountain Lion; there's just no point in doing that.
- Aristotle
Bought it on Day 1. Actually, I've been familiar with it since DP1.
In every way I use SL... it is superior.
That's my point. Not much has "moved on" in Lion/Mountain Lion. It's just mainly copying features that have been in iOS for a long time now. Nothing innovative about that.
"Offend?" Of course there's no point in that. It's just digital code.
You guys get too emotionally attached to this crap.
It's just an OS.
Unfortunately, you didn't get what I said. I'm not emotionally attached to anything except long legs, round asses and big tits.In every way I use SL... it is superior.
- Aristotle
Meh. Those things are nothing to get emotional about. Beer-fetching and grass-mowing abilities on the other hand...
What do you mean by full Exposé? Can you post a screen shot? I still havent tried ML, no Apple store in my country.
Also, what is the "save as" issue?
In ML, you can now ungroup all your windows so they're not layered anymore. (System preferences).
Lion got rid of it. ML brings it back.
As opposed to your implication that they don't really want Windows but use it anyway.
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You're still insisting that the majority of the world is using Windows because they have lowered their standards?
Congratulations, You've just misrepresented everything I said.
Again, how old are you?
Luckily CS6 gets full SL support, a monumental upgrade still runs on "legacy" operating systems.
Where can I see the numbers for the millions that have overcome Save As and if it wasn't a big deal why is it back?
Well, in this case...Im going for ML
If Exposé is fixed....
If Totalspaces brings back SL Spaces to ML
If Sideeffects bring color to the finder
If Liondesigner lets you customize Mission Control
Im upgrading my hardware! New Macminis, where are u?
If Exposé is fixed....
If Totalspaces brings back SL Spaces to ML
If Sideeffects bring color to the finder
If Liondesigner lets you customize Mission Control
Im upgrading my hardware! New Macminis, where are u?
Indeed, millions of users overcame the "Save as" issue; however I really like how they brought it back to OS X. Actually, I dislike Lion.
They "overcame" it because they were given no choice. Every copy of Lion kind of took care of that.
I don't feel any tangible performance difference Lion vs Mountain Lion at the same MBP 4GB. They both use +\- same amount of memory.
I still have MacBook White with 4GB, SL and equivalent software that I use. SL uses less memory.
I like Spaces in SL more, but in conjunction with gestures that MBP trackpad has, it became easier to manage multiple desktops in ML + MBP than it was in MBW + SL.
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I was one of them. And due to Apple's short product support cycle, I went back.
As for that other bit about Macs not being known, that is a load of rubbish. The majority of PC retail stores sell Macs.
I know its like that in UK, but that is not true outside Europe/USA.