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Lion Server!
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Doing Lion evaluation and testing I upgraded a Snow Leopard drive (an external clone of a working system drive) to Lion, BUT I GOOFED and somehow upgraded to Lion Server! It attempted to upgrade my server settings, which of course were not present, but did see the existing server and integrated itself into Open Directory it provided.
My conclusion from this mini-disaster is that unlike other OS X server versions, this one will be capable of an upgrade installation. That is great news! I'm still concerned about the apparently missing services, but I think we all need to wait for Snow Leopard Server BETAs instead of just relying on this Developer Preview. At that time I'll also be trying an upgrade of Snow Leopard Server cloned on an external drives.
(FWIW, I don't intend on running any of these Lion pre-releases on any internal drive because I don't have a system that I can risk.)
My conclusion from this mini-disaster is that unlike other OS X server versions, this one will be capable of an upgrade installation. That is great news! I'm still concerned about the apparently missing services, but I think we all need to wait for Snow Leopard Server BETAs instead of just relying on this Developer Preview. At that time I'll also be trying an upgrade of Snow Leopard Server cloned on an external drives.
(FWIW, I don't intend on running any of these Lion pre-releases on any internal drive because I don't have a system that I can risk.)
I installed lion on my imac and selected the server tools during installation, for some reason the server tools where not installed. So I did a fresh install and the same happened, anyone got an idea how this could be? How can I get the server tools to work?
Im running Developer Release 1, I've not updated.
Im running Developer Release 1, I've not updated.
Time to update! I actually had the opposite problem -- I got the tools when I did a normal installation.
Lion Server 101
I am currently using MAMP (the free download) to develop PHP/mySQL sites locally before uploading to FTP. It simply allows my browser to display the local site on my iMac.
I know that Lion server is extremely powerful and can do many different thing, but does it do this easily and is it used in this way for developing sites offline?
I realize the game is changing with this new low price point of $50, MAMP Pro paid version is $59, so while maybe this wasn't a primary use before, it could very well change with lion server.
Any feedback would be appreciated.
I am currently using MAMP (the free download) to develop PHP/mySQL sites locally before uploading to FTP. It simply allows my browser to display the local site on my iMac.
I know that Lion server is extremely powerful and can do many different thing, but does it do this easily and is it used in this way for developing sites offline?
I realize the game is changing with this new low price point of $50, MAMP Pro paid version is $59, so while maybe this wasn't a primary use before, it could very well change with lion server.
Any feedback would be appreciated.
What is there, what isn't?
- How about virtual hosting in MTA and Web Server? Still supported through Server Admin? Or do I need to go under the hood to postfix/apache?
- What about Portable Home Directories and PHD syncing? Is it still there? This is an important part of my setup, every user can use any system and gets his/her own environment.
- I have a couple of mail-only users (no home directories, just using MTA and IMAP), still possible to manage these in Workgroup Manager?
- I use a squirrelmail plugin to manage server side sorting rules (so sorting works also for webmail users). New webmail software: still possible? How do I manage these in the future?
I'm quite worried about what is happening to O X Server. E.g.:
- How about virtual hosting in MTA and Web Server? Still supported through Server Admin? Or do I need to go under the hood to postfix/apache?
- What about Portable Home Directories and PHD syncing? Is it still there? This is an important part of my setup, every user can use any system and gets his/her own environment.
- I have a couple of mail-only users (no home directories, just using MTA and IMAP), still possible to manage these in Workgroup Manager?
- I use a squirrelmail plugin to manage server side sorting rules (so sorting works also for webmail users). New webmail software: still possible? How do I manage these in the future?
Domain Controller
@Dave Hagan
Any chance you could expand on your comment regarding the removal of Domain controller functionality in Lion Server?
This is my primary concern. I need to be able to allow windows7 machine to access my primarily mac based network running off a mac server.
@Dave Hagan
Any chance you could expand on your comment regarding the removal of Domain controller functionality in Lion Server?
This is my primary concern. I need to be able to allow windows7 machine to access my primarily mac based network running off a mac server.
On the UK Apple sites it quotes £20.99 for Lion
http://www.apple.com/uk/macosx/how-to-buy/
And £34.99 for Lion Server
http://www.apple.com/uk/macosx/server/
Hope this helps
I'm really pleased they have updated the god awful webmail
For my little home network, it looks like a good update to me
For my little home network, it looks like a good update to me
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Ive been playing with the latest Lion Server DP4 and have to say it is a huge backward step! Maybe I have done something wrong, I just installed the server.app which then when launched, it configured the server automatically downloading all the required components. There don't seem to be a "Server Admin" or "Workgroup Manager" anymore but just the "Server.app" and the features are VERY limited. There is no DNS service anymore so you can only have one domain name for the mail server! There are no options to create mail domain alias's, No FTP service, No Software Update... In fact there's loads missing compared to Snow Leopard Server. This looks like a very simplified cut down version for a small business that has just one domain, No good for me as we have 4 email domains on our existing SL server. Maybe I did something wrong, or maybe the DP4 has features missing that will appear in the GM... Time will tell!
You did something wrong. There is Server Admin and Workgroup Manager. Printer spooling has been removed, and a couple of features (NFS mounts come to mind) are only available to be configured from the command line.
This is good news! can you tell me where I went wrong? I was running Lion DP4, then downloaded the server.app and installed it. it took a while while it downloaded 'stuff' then when it had completed i just run the server.app. I looked for the Server Admin and Workgroup Manager but found nothing. Can you tell me where to find them?
Cheers mate!
Anyone know where I can get a 10.7 compatible version of Server Admin? (The Snow Leopard version is not compatible)
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I'll have to check tonight. I just realized that I haven't installed DP4 server yet, however I'd be extremely surprised if they were dropped between DP3 and DP4. There would have been a major uproar that I haven't seen.
If they are in the same place they end up in Snow Leopard, it would be /Applications/Server
I'm not sure, but: I think these advanced tools are actually not included. The Server-Help in Server.app says
"Use advanced tools for more services
Managing users, groups, and services is easy with the Server app. You can change advanced settings and configure advanced accounts and services not available in the Server app by using advanced administration tools. If your server doesnt have the advanced tools (in the Server folder in Launchpad), you can install them.
For information about advanced tools, accounts, services, and settings, see the Lion Server website at www.apple.com/server/macosx/."
I don't have the server folder. So this might be included in the final version or can be added via the download site (or via AppStore?)
O.K. They are a separate download on developer.apple.com. This makes sense (sort-of) because they were a separate install and available as a download for Snow Leopard Server. Don't forget that the admin tools also run on client systems for remote server administration.
Here's the SLS tools link: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1365
The link for the Lion Server tools is on the main Lion page in the developer section.
Here's the SLS tools link: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1365
The link for the Lion Server tools is on the main Lion page in the developer section.
Under "Mac OS X Lion Developer Preview 4" are a list of 9 links. The 4th is "Server Admin Tools".
Tools from an earlier developer preview won't necessarily work.
In Leopard Server, the "administrator" had to use Server Admin / WGM to be able to use / administer the server. The Server Prefs.app wasn't even compatible with the server in "full" mode.
In Snow Leopard Server the "administrator" could easily use the Server Prefs.app to administer the Server, but Server Admin / WGM was preferred.
In Lion Server Apple is pushing the "administrator" to use Server.app and Server Admin / WGM aren't even installed by default anymore. Server Admin / WGM have been downgraded in relation to Server Admin / WGM in 10.6 Server.
On top of that, the costs are extremely low to purchase.
Apple really is trying to remove the "middle man"... so cheap: anyone can buy it, so easy: anyone can use it.
In Snow Leopard Server the "administrator" could easily use the Server Prefs.app to administer the Server, but Server Admin / WGM was preferred.
In Lion Server Apple is pushing the "administrator" to use Server.app and Server Admin / WGM aren't even installed by default anymore. Server Admin / WGM have been downgraded in relation to Server Admin / WGM in 10.6 Server.
On top of that, the costs are extremely low to purchase.
Apple really is trying to remove the "middle man"... so cheap: anyone can buy it, so easy: anyone can use it.
so, im really confused by all of this. because as far as i can see, there is only server.app with lion server, and thats all ive been using (which is absolute garbage btw!).
mind you, i hadnt upgraded from snow leopard server...
Then you aren't looking far enough.
There is a package of the other tools available for download (currently from the Developer site, but eventually available to the public like the Snow Leopard Server tools are). See an earlier post by me for links.