Load MacRumors on your oldest Mac

[B S Magnet]

PowerUOC may help.

Virtually every tweak bundled in your setup is fine for someone who’s never optimized their vintage set-up before. I’m way ahead of you there. Congrats on gathering it all together for future folks, but it won’t help me here.

 

[Project Alice]

Anyone done it yet on a pre-G3 CPU?

I haven't made it to step 0 yet on my 9600, as the video card doesn't seem to be cooperating(I should probably try shuffling it to another slot-I've that slots can be a bit flaky in this computer).

My Pre-G3 (PM7500) Doesn’t work. Can’t get it to output video no matter what I do. The other Pre-G3s I have are actually Pre PowerPC, so getting them online at all would be impressive lol

 

[AphoticD]

PowerUOC may help.

Yes I’ve been meaning to check it out. I’ll make some time to have a play this weekend!

Anyone done it yet on a pre-G3 CPU?

There’s a photo in my earlier post of my PowerBook 1400cs running 8.6 on the forums - that’s 166MHz of raw 603e Power with a 128KB L2 cache.
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The other Pre-G3s I have are actually Pre PowerPC, so getting them online at all would be impressive lol

You can do it!

iCab 68K v2.9.9 (IIRC) is as good as it gets for an ‘040 under Mac OS 8.1 though. So I don’t think you’ll be able connect to the forums

 

[LightBulbFun]

A couple of years ago, back when MR was still on Vbulletin, I use to regularly browse/post using my 9600/200MP with an unhealthy amount of ram(1.5gb) in OS 9 using Classilla.

I haven't actually tried recently, but I wouldn't be surprised if-with the latest round of updates-it's no longer possible to even load MR in Classilla.

If I had a good Tiger install on that computer, I expect it would be doable. It wouldn't be pleasant, but it would be doable. I have run Tiger on it, but not in a while.

Time permitting next week-after my exams are graded and entered-I might try on my 8600. It does run Tiger(I should get Leopard going) but also has a 700mhz G4(and 1gb of RAM). Realistically, you're probably not going to load MR on any computer these days unless you can run OS X. Practically speaking, whether stock or upgraded, that most likely means an 8500/9500 or newer. If you could coax OS X onto a 3400c you might get away with it(I'll defer to @LightBulbFun on that) but lack of RAM is going to be your enemy on that. With the big towers, if you don't mind throwing money at them, you can get more RAM than anyone can realistically need on a system that old.

Leopard on the 8600? 4+ years and counting!

sadly cant do anything with my Kanga/3400c, the 3400c does not have enough ram to run OS X past Sever 1.2v3 (both my 3400's have only 32MB of RAM) and I dont have a compatible ethernet card in the Kanga (or the 3400c) to get that online in Tiger

(I need the Modem/ethernet combo card, most UK 3400/Kangas, aka mine, seemingly shipped with the ethernet only card which does not work in OS X)

Anyone done it yet on a pre-G3 CPU?

I haven't made it to step 0 yet on my 9600, as the video card doesn't seem to be cooperating(I should probably try shuffling it to another slot-I've that slots can be a bit flaky in this computer).

sadly TFF wont work on a Pre G3 CPU
simply because the G3 build, is compiled for PPC750, not generic PPC, so it wont actually launch, it will return bad CPU

but funnily the G5 build is compiled PPC generic, and it will try and launch but it falls over because I imagine it uses G5 instructions etc, that dont exist on a 604!

if you compile the G3 version as PPC generic then it SHOULD work in theory

side note if anyone has 12 128MB EDO/FPM RAM sticks for a 9600 do let me know! sadly no one seems to sell them anymore, and my 9600 could do with an upgrade from 192MB of RAM!

 

[Appleuser201]

PowerUOC may help.

And our future PowerUOC browser will really help.
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Leopard on the 8600? 4+ years and counting!

sadly cant do anything with my Kanga/3400c, the 3400c does not have enough ram to run OS X past Sever 1.2v3 (both my 3400's have only 32MB of RAM) and I dont have a compatible ethernet card in the Kanga (or the 3400c) to get that online in Tiger

(I need the Modem/ethernet combo card, most UK 3400/Kangas, aka mine, seemingly shipped with the ethernet only card which does not work in OS X)



sadly TFF wont work on a Pre G3 CPU
simply because the G3 build, is compiled for PPC750, not generic PPC, so it wont actually launch, it will return bad CPU

but funnily the G5 build is compiled PPC generic, and it will try and launch but it falls over because I imagine it uses G5 instructions etc, that dont exist on a 604!

if you compile the G3 version as PPC generic then it SHOULD work in theory

side note if anyone has 12 128MB EDO/FPM RAM sticks for a 9600 do let me know! sadly no one seems to sell them anymore, and my 9600 could do with an upgrade from 192MB of RAM!

OS X won’t work on a pre G3 CPU, meaning you couldn’t run TenFourFox if you wanted too due to no tiger.
Unless you mean tff won’t work on a G3 upgrade cpu?

 

[Amethyst1]

OS X won’t work on a pre G3 CPU, meaning you couldn’t run TenFourFox if you wanted too due to no tiger.

Ummm... yes, it will.
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the 3400c does not have enough ram to run OS X past Sever 1.2v3 (both my 3400's have only 32MB of RAM)

I'm 100% sure you know this But 10.1.5 and 10.2.0 -- haven't tested later builds yet -- will boot with 32MB of RAM.

 

[bunnspecial]

OS X won’t work on a pre G3 CPU, meaning you couldn’t run TenFourFox if you wanted too due to no tiger.
Unless you mean tff won’t work on a G3 upgrade cpu?

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/os-x-tiger-on-a-603-604-cpu.1908276/
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sadly TFF wont work on a Pre G3 CPU
simply because the G3 build, is compiled for PPC750, not generic PPC, so it wont actually launch, it will return bad CPU

I wasn't sure where we were at on this.

I remember back before you had a 604 to experiment with hands on, you were saying that it should work based on emulators and that Kaiser said the 750 build should work also. I know I never could get it to work.

I guess it wasn't just me imagining things!

 

[reddrag0n]

Running on my rebuilt Pismo, 500mhz

 

[bunnspecial]

There’s a photo in my earlier post of my PowerBook 1400cs running 8.6 on the forums - that’s 166MHz of raw 603e Power with a 128KB L2 cache.

Whoops, there's my glossing over that!

I have I think a 520c with a PPC upgrade. I should see if I can first coax 8.6 onto it, and then install Classilla. I have to keep my one-up-man-ship intact

I'll have to see what other ridiculously low spec computers I can pull out also. If my 7100 has a decent amount of RAM(I know I upgraded it-I just don't know how much) it might be workable. IIRC, it's running 8.0/8.1, so I'd have to upgrade to 8.6 to get anywhere. Fortunately at least I do have several ethernet-AAUI dongles, so I don't have to worry about getting a NuBus ethernet card working(even though I have some).

A 66mhz 601 MIGHT be the oldest that is actually capable of even establishing a connection to the site, although I know it won't be pleasant.

 

[AphoticD]

@bunnspecial That’s all good.

My first Mac was the Power Macintosh 7100 bought 2nd hand in 1996. A cacheless first series PPC601 at 66MHz with 20MB of RAM and a 1GB HDD, which at the time was quite generous!

I eventually bumped it up to 48MB of RAM with 2x 16MB SIMMs when I upgraded to Mac OS 8.5, which was purchased full retail only a year after buying Mac OS 8 (for more than AU$150 each time).

It will run Mac OS 8.6. It’s not fast but it works. Bump up the Virtual Memory and Classilla will operate (or at least try to connect).

 

[B S Magnet]

My first Mac was the Power Macintosh 7100 bought 2nd hand in 1996. A cacheless first series PPC601 at 66MHz with 20MB of RAM and a 1GB HDD, which at the time was quite generous!

I remember when they replaced our venerable Quadra 840AV with a PowerMac 8100/100 at work. For a while, we missed that 840AV terribly since there were still bugs being ironed out with the newly-ported-to-PPC software we used.

But it would be that same 8100/100 on which I would, during low time, connect to the internet for the very first time and also the same system i used to create the most simple first-ever web page from scratch, circa November-December 1995.

For the life of me, however, I no longer remember if I was using NCSA Mosaic or the first version of Netscape to view that first page graphically. I was still using lynx and pine quite a lot.

 

[LightBulbFun]

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/os-x-tiger-on-a-603-604-cpu.1908276/
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I wasn't sure where we were at on this.

I remember back before you had a 604 to experiment with hands on, you were saying that it should work based on emulators and that Kaiser said the 750 build should work also. I know I never could get it to work.

I guess it wasn't just me imagining things!

ya I remember Kaiser said that, but I dont think sadly he realised his builds where/are compiled to be CPU specific even the G3 build which was meant to be the generic one

 

[mmphosis]

TenFourFox works on my 18 year old iBook G3 with only 384MB RAM.

 

[TzunamiOSX]

Beat this!

 

[TheShortTimer]

Beat this!

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Model number and specs, please!

 

[AphoticD]

Beat this!

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It looks like a PowerBook 5xx series. Is it an upgraded 68k or the first PowerPC 500 model?

 

[TzunamiOSX]

Model number and specs, please!

Powerbook 540c with 603e 100Mhz and CF to SCSI-Adapter 😋

 

[TheShortTimer]

Powerbook 540c with 603e 100Mhz and CF to SCSI-Adapter 😋

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I am very impressed!

(Danke!)

 

[TzunamiOSX]

(Danke!)

Gerne

But web browsing is a horror story. Memory is to small for Classilla, Ram Doubler ist helping a little bit but not really.

 

[TheShortTimer]

Gerne

But web browsing is a horror story. Memory is to small for Classilla, Ram Doubler ist helping a little bit but not really.

Nonetheless, it still an impressive achievement and I doubt that it will be surpassed.

 

[sunapple]

My oldest would have been my '97 TAM running 8.6 on a 603, but I don't think I've ever connected it to the internet. Shame I sold it, miss how it randomly booted in the middle of the night with that special BIONG sound 😆

Guess my G4 Cube is too new and my '79 ][ surely isn't cutting it in the internet department. Missing my collecting days, great thread.

 

[trusswalker]

Anyone done it yet on a pre-G3 CPU?

I haven't made it to step 0 yet on my 9600, as the video card doesn't seem to be cooperating(I should probably try shuffling it to another slot-I've that slots can be a bit flaky in this computer).

Yeah, I started with my Centris 660av running Mac OS 8.1 and Netscape 3.01 and IE 3.01... it was online (AAIU adapter to a 10MB hub, connected to my gigabit house switch), I got the TCP/IP settings set (manually), and got it online. there's a HTML 1.0 page hosted here (http://www.columbia.edu/~fdc/sample.html) that I checked it with. But alas, anything current is https vs http... so I was stuck.

Then I got my Power Mac 7300/180 up and running Mac OS 9.1 and IE 5.1... kept running into the https issue... I even downloaded the "most current web browser for 9.1"... I found iCab 3.0.5... downloaded it, installed it, and still no support to load macrumors.com...

I have older Macs that run Mac OSX, but that felt too easy. This was a fun diversion this afternoon even if I didn't get macrumors.com loaded...

Enjoy the walk down memory lane (if you're old enough)!

 

[B S Magnet]

Yeah, I started with my Centris 660av running Mac OS 8.1 and Netscape 3.01 and IE 3.01... it was online (AAIU adapter to a 10MB hub, connected to my gigabit house switch), I got the TCP/IP settings set (manually), and got it online. there's a HTML 1.0 page hosted here (http://www.columbia.edu/~fdc/sample.html) that I checked it with. But alas, anything current is https vs http... so I was stuck.

Then I got my Power Mac 7300/180 up and running Mac OS 9.1 and IE 5.1... kept running into the https issue... I even downloaded the "most current web browser for 9.1"... I found iCab 3.0.5... downloaded it, installed it, and still no support to load macrumors.com...

I have older Macs that run Mac OSX, but that felt too easy. This was a fun diversion this afternoon even if I didn't get macrumors.com loaded...

Enjoy the walk down memory lane (if you're old enough)!

Even before I finished reading your text, I saw the splash for Netscape Navigator 3 and felt this little jostle of excitement down in my chest somewhere, much as I would have back in ’96. Then to see it ran as a bonafide graphical browser at just 9MB of memory usage makes me wonder whether we’ve done to the internet to make it a relaxed environment for bloatware was really such a swell evolutionary move.

I can’t say “get off my lawn” because I’m too poor to have access to my own lawn anyway.

p.s., I also remember a conversation with a co-worker in late 1994, whilst at work in front of our Quadra 840AV, in which I learnt how the price of hard drive storage had then fallen to the-then astonishing cost of one dollar per megabyte — making a 1GB HDD “within reach” for high-end users. I still recall this metric whenever thinking how one US dollar now (where $1,000 in 1994 US dollars, adjusted for inflation, is about USD$1,740 in 2019) can cover up to 37GB — when buying 64TB of HDD storage. That is: four 14TB HDDs, plus one 8TB HDD drive (all HGST), at USD$1,743.

 

[TzunamiOSX]

Hey, the discipline is to load macrumors.com on you oldest mac

 

[pshifrin]

For the life of me, however, I no longer remember if I was using NCSA Mosaic or the first version of Netscape to view that first page graphically. I was still using lynx and pine quite a lot.

Freshman year of college was all about Lynx and Pine. Just for fun, I have them running with home brew on Catalina. If I ever have to edit a text file in terminal, I always use Pico which Mac os still retains as a shortcut to Nano.