LOL! n00btacular windows!

[iSaint]

I think people praise Mac OS just a bit too much. Trust me, Mac OS has it's own bag of problems whether or not you're willing to admit it.

If your class were the other way around, 4 out of 55 were PC's and the rest were Macs I guarantee you would have seen some problems. The percentage is so low that out of 4 Mac's one would have a problem this example you've made is completely bogus.

I've posted this before. But, at separate incidents my iBook performed flawlessly during two PowerPoint presentations. And a classmate's Dell crashed during both of his presentations.

Mac/OS X: 2/2

Dell/Windows: 0/2

 

[thejadedmonkey]

The thing with windows is it *requires* its user to look after it (maintenance).
The average joe with their windows pc suffers from the problems like windows slowing down over time, and crashes and whatnot. I have seen peoples computers where they have installed so much *****, yahoo toolbar, google toolbar, this toolbar that toolbar. Have 20 icons in the system tray (notification area as its now known), **** loads of programs to run at startup, 70 icons on the desktop and just basically a complete mess. And yeah, those people do suffer problems.
For many of us who know how to maintain a windows PC windows XP itself is actually very stable, my PC has never crashed, no BSOD's at all. It doesn't have any of the slowdown, basically because i maintain it well.

The difference between windows and mac os is basically mac os is fool proof. Out of the box, just like Steve says "It just works", there is no maintaining, no defragging, no bloated registry to take care of, no slowdown after 3 months.
Don't get me wrong, i am loving this fact about my macbook, i can just turn it on and use it, and its basically because its quite difficult for the user to mess things up.

The problem with windows is not windows itself, but the people that use, though i admit if windows were designed better it wouldn't have that problem

Windows XP does NOT require you to take care of it at all. My laptop's going on 9 months without any maintnence (it would have been longer, but my hard drive kept dying due to a hardware issue). I don't remember the last time I updated and ran spybot, I don't even bother with adware or anti-virus software.

The only thing's I've done to it that make it differ from an OEM install is to download spyboy (useless for me anyway) and tell the C drive to auto-defrag after it's been idle for a while (just as Vista and OS X do I believe).

My point is that everybody bashes Microsoft, but XP is really quite stable if you know what you're doing. I can't actually remember the last time I had a problem with XP. OS X on the other hand...maybe m-audio should talk to samsung on how to make F****n audio drivers for an OS!

 

[Pressure]

Windows XP does NOT require you to take care of it at all. My laptop's going on 9 months without any maintnence (it would have been longer, but my hard drive kept dying due to a hardware issue). I don't remember the last time I updated and ran spybot, I don't even bother with adware or anti-virus software.

The only thing's I've done to it that make it differ from an OEM install is to download spyboy (useless for me anyway) and tell the C drive to auto-defrag after it's been idle for a while (just as Vista and OS X do I believe).

My point is that everybody bashes Microsoft, but XP is really quite stable if you know what you're doing. I can't actually remember the last time I had a problem with XP. OS X on the other hand...maybe m-audio should talk to samsung on how to make F****n audio drivers for an OS!

Well...uhm...we can surf pr0n all day without having to worry about adware or virusses, yes. <cough> There, I said it

 

[FragTek]

Ive owned NUMEROUS pc laptops and never had a problem with a single one of them whether it be giving a presentation at school/work/etc. Given MacOS X is a more stable platform, as I stated before it has its own problems. I've had numerous Mac's crash on me, have programs randomly close, give me interesting errors I could never understand.

I'd much rather have my Maccytop than a pc lappy these days, but seriously... Stop bowing down to OS X like it's some untouchable perfect OS, because it definately IS NOT.

 

[Rovman]

My point is that everybody bashes Microsoft, but XP is really quite stable if you know what you're doing.

Which was also my point. If you know what your doing windows is great. If your an average joe that installs ever "Emoticon pack" and Toolbar that you find, your windows will run like a bag of ****..and beleive me theres a lot of people that do.

Windows is extremely stable if you know what your doing, on the other hand if you know jack all you can really mess it up.

And i'm not a Mac fanboy, i've been building and working on PC's all my life, this is my first experience of Mac's (my week old macbook). Mac OS X is very nice, but its not the be all end all.

 

[iSaint]

Well...uhm...we can surf pr0n all day without having to worry about adware or virusses, yes. <cough> There, I said it

You did, and thank you!

 

[figmentpigment]

Which was also my point. If you know what your doing windows is great. If your an average joe that installs ever "Emoticon pack" and Toolbar that you find, your windows will run like a bag of ****..and beleive me theres a lot of people that do.

Windows is extremely stable if you know what your doing, on the other hand if you know jack all you can really mess it up.

And i'm not a Mac fanboy, i've been building and working on PC's all my life, this is my first experience of Mac's (my week old macbook). Mac OS X is very nice, but its not the be all end all.

or if your family computer has windows xp and your mom claims she "doesnt do anything besides check her email" but you end up with all those random toolbars and anytime she signs onto her account, the computer freezes and dies. and your task manager thing doesnt even exist anymore somehow. and you're aware that you must have some crazy viruses or SOMETHING because one day your computer just doesnt understand what picture files are anymore, but nothing can figure out whats wrong. and you swear your computer is smart because it freezes at only the most inconvenient times.

 

[nermal0]

I'm on my first Mac, I have it for one week now. It has crashed three times so far, you know the message telling you to turn the computer off. I can't remember when XP on my desktop crashed for the last time, must be years ago. XP is rock solid, while Apple's marketing team seems to compare OSX to Windows 98, which indeed crashed a lot.

And Linux? I'm using it for 9 years now and it never crashed (unless I messed around with the kernel

 

[Makosuke]

I'm on my first Mac, I have it for one week now. It has crashed three times so far, you know the message telling you to turn the computer off.

I mean no offense here, but if you've gotten 3 kernel panics in a week of use, there's either something wrong with your Mac (corrupt OS install or hardware issue), or you've done some serioius hacking and installed something that has destabilized it.

With the exception of one time I had a piece of Java software that tickled a bug in the OS's network stack on dual processor machines (which was eventually resolved) I haven't had three kernel panics in any given month of heavy use. I routinely see Macs at work with uptimes of over a month, and in fact I once ran my own work machine for 6 months straight (10.3.x) without issue. I didn't need to restart even then, it just seemed to have been long enough and was time to do some of the OS updates I'd been ignoring.

I'm not saying that OSX never crashes--it does, and I'd say my home G5 goes down maybe once a month (ALWAYS a sleep issue--either failure to wake or dies on attempt to sleep). But 3 tiimes a week is far from the norm, and generally a sign of something wrong.

Heck, my brand-new MBP here has been up for a week so far right now, and that includes running Parallels periodically with WinXP, a heap of VNC access via an SSH tunnel, some goofing around in XCode, and a bunch of tweaks to do silly stuff with the sudden motion sensor.

 

[Josias]

It sounds like the danish education system changed since I went to school

Cool, you dansih too?

BTW, killuminati, as I posted in a former post, after staistics, at least one of the macs should'a f*cked up, since 17/55 is approx. 1/3.

 

[Pressure]

Cool, you dansih too?

BTW, killuminati, as I posted in a former post, after staistics, at least one of the macs should'a f*cked up, since 17/55 is approx. 1/3.

Indeed I am.

Some PPC software that runs through Rosetta can give you trouble. Had some issues when I first installed Adobe Creative Suite 2 but had them corrected in no time.

 

[howesey]

Wow using your own computer inan exam has to be the most stupid thing I have ever heard.

What happens if you do not own a computer? What about insurance, h&s and security? Wht stops people from cheating? What exactly do you need a cmputer for?

 

[nermal0]

I mean no offense here, but if you've gotten 3 kernel panics in a week of use, there's either something wrong with your Mac (corrupt OS install or hardware issue), or you've done some serioius hacking and installed something that has destabilized it.

Hmm, as I have no idea how to hack a Mac I didn't do any of that, and the only program I use that touches the kernel is probably CoreDuoTemp. It crashed twice after resuming from sleep and once when I was just browsing. Do you really think there is something wrong with my hardware?

 

[Makosuke]

This really belongs in its own thread, but...

Hmm, as I have no idea how to hack a Mac I didn't do any of that, and the only program I use that touches the kernel is probably CoreDuoTemp. It crashed twice after resuming from sleep and once when I was just browsing. Do you really think there is something wrong with my hardware?

Not saying this is it, but don't later versions of CoreDuoTemp install the Speedit kernel extension? I seem to remember hearing a few complaints about it causing instability, but I can't find them right now, so I might be making this up.

Have the panics occurred when you're running CoreDuoTemp? You might also look to see if it did install a kext, and if so try removing it and see if that helps.

I will qualify my previous comment with one thing: Being that this is the very first OS iteration for the MacBooks (that is, they're running a "special" build until 10.4.7 comes out and gets everybody back to the same page), then there's an off chance that the issue has something to do with that. But unless everybody else is complaining of frequent panics (anybody?) then that's not what it is.

One other source could be a funky USB device, if you had such plugged in, but I'm guessing no. You might try reinstalling the OS from the discs that came with the computer (you can Archive and Install so you don't have to redo your settings) and see if that fixes it. If not, I can't help but think that there's a hardware issue, unless others are seeing the same thing.