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MP 1,1-5,1 Looking for AVX/AVX2 software failures
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You welcome. The program run on Mac Pro 5.1.painter 2022 on Monterey, Big Sur and Catalina. Some brushes are just not newly “more”!accelerated by the Avx2. Painter pretend some are GPU accelerated on top but there aren’t if Avx2 is missing. It look likes it requires Avx2 + GPU to work together. A lot of brushes are fast enough to work with on 5.1, some big new are to avoid. They are faster on my Late 2013 i7 Macbookpro, with Avx2 but with crappy GPU.
In summary Corel Painter 2022 classic brushes should run faster on Mac Pro 5.1 than an in older Corel painter version. They improved overall speed of the software.
You just don’t benefit without Avx2 of all the optimization.
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True, I ran into "This software requires a CPU that supports the AVX instruction set" just recently when trying to install c4d S26 and am searching for a solution since. Still need to find out if khronokernel's noavx kext wil have any positive effect on that (https://forums.macrumors.com/thread....2180095/page-144?post=31136145#post-31136145).
@Syncretic - First and foremost, thank you for all the hard work you've done for the community. I wonder how many people have noticed your avatar spell out AVX? 
Rumor has it macOS Ventura now includes AVX2 instructions. If true, does that fit into the scope of this project or is that a whole new headache for you? Assmuing AVX2 becomes part of this project, will AVX & AVX2 be modular in the sense that a 2013 (6,1) Mac Pro, which has an Ivy Bridge CPU that supports AVX, still use hardware for AVX, but emulation for AVX2? I might be jumping the gun at this early stage, or perhaps giving you ideas...
Rumor has it macOS Ventura now includes AVX2 instructions. If true, does that fit into the scope of this project or is that a whole new headache for you? Assmuing AVX2 becomes part of this project, will AVX & AVX2 be modular in the sense that a 2013 (6,1) Mac Pro, which has an Ivy Bridge CPU that supports AVX, still use hardware for AVX, but emulation for AVX2? I might be jumping the gun at this early stage, or perhaps giving you ideas...
@JohnD from what I've read out and about it appears that @Syncretic's work is likely paramount and intrinsic to this effort.
I, like you, am not quite willing to give up my 2009/2010 cMP MacPro5,1 beauties quite yet, which really still remain quite useful and powerful...
I, like you, am not quite willing to give up my 2009/2010 cMP MacPro5,1 beauties quite yet, which really still remain quite useful and powerful...
@JohnD - you can follow this other thread for more updates/details on this issue. @Syncretic describes in detail his findings (and yes indeed his work will be once again paramount in keeping the cMP alive a bit longer! fingers crossed!)
I have a problem on my cMP 5.1 (Mojave) with an image editor that requires it AVX compatibility. I wanted to send a note to the topic starter about which program to use to test the AVX emulator. The software runs in full trial mode and only has a watermark on file output.
Unfortunately I have been warned by the moderator because I mentioned the name of the software. The topic starter should contact the moderator, he has my post as well as the link to it.
It was not meant as an advertisement, but as a hint to be able to test a current program for the AVX emulator.
I do not see the point for this forum if a program may not even be named without it being warned as advertising.
Unfortunately I have been warned by the moderator because I mentioned the name of the software. The topic starter should contact the moderator, he has my post as well as the link to it.
It was not meant as an advertisement, but as a hint to be able to test a current program for the AVX emulator.
I do not see the point for this forum if a program may not even be named without it being warned as advertising.
It’s a slippery slope and not easy to handle. In the last months there were several bots/attacks of new registrations spamming the forum.
On the other hand there are legit users like you who register with a specific question/suggestion in mind.
Just understand that you did nothing wrong but (probably) unintentionally triggered some automatism to prevent/reduce spam and take some load of the (mostly volunteering) mods.
Just contact a mod like suggested, they are actual humans and will sort it out.
@Syncretic:
may you can try the Programs from "Topaz Labs", for example "Gigapixel AI", it needs AVX.
The program runs in full in the demo version, only the saving of a file is failed with a watermark for protection. For testing for an AVX emulator it would probably be suitable.
I wanted to test the program for myself, but with my cMP 5.1 the program crashes immediately when I try it.
I think many photographers still use older Mac systems and would be happy if there is a way to use the programs.
may you can try the Programs from "Topaz Labs", for example "Gigapixel AI", it needs AVX.
The program runs in full in the demo version, only the saving of a file is failed with a watermark for protection. For testing for an AVX emulator it would probably be suitable.
I wanted to test the program for myself, but with my cMP 5.1 the program crashes immediately when I try it.
I think many photographers still use older Mac systems and would be happy if there is a way to use the programs.
Hi. Any news about this project? I, like many here, fall in XSAVE error with VMware Fusion after updating to BigSur my... a bit patched but ever young, MacPro 2009. I really need to continue to use VM's, so I evaluating if I should go back to Catalina (postponing some time the problem, in the hope XSAVE will come in some way to my MacPro), replace VMware Fusion with Parallels Desktop (but I don't like it), or replace my MacPro 5,1 with a trashcan (in this case I've many doubts about the GPU... how performs the D300? is it worth spending something more on a D700? or is it better to go with an eGPU? and does eGPU work well with any software?), or some other hardware. I won't spend much more for an Intel Mac this times, with MacStudio that performs even better than the most powerful MacPro, but can't go with it until I need so many x86 softwares (Windows and macOS).
Not entirely sure if this is AVX related, but I think better reported at here first. So that you can have a look.
There are at least two cMP users have problem of running AQC107S 10Gbps network card since 12.3. So, there is a possibility that Apple also make the AppleEtheretAquantiaAqtion kexts need AVX to function correctly now.
There are at least two cMP users have problem of running AQC107S 10Gbps network card since 12.3. So, there is a possibility that Apple also make the AppleEtheretAquantiaAqtion kexts need AVX to function correctly now.
Check this page for tools to search for SSE4 and AVX/AVX2 opcodes.
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AppleEthernetAquantiaAqtion does not use any AVX opcodes listed there. Used the same method back last summer to find AVX2 code in the all AMD GLdriver.bundle binaries and in the OpenCL binaries - which broke Ventura support on all pre Haswell systems in a nasty way.EDIT:
@Jazzzny added back AQC107S to OCLP lately using an older pre 12.3 driver.
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Yes I know replying to an old post....
I have been using Topaz for over a year where Gigapixel AI has zero issues on my MacPro 5.1, where I'm one of the photographers still using an older Mac to process still imagery given the architecture / implementation is still relevant for still images. Though not so much for video given the GPUs we have to work with.
I can also run Gigapixel AI flawlessly on my cMP. So, it seems this software isn't really need AVX.
I don't know if Topaz photo AI requires really Avx2 but I with my tryout the AI learning model don't load if no AVX2 CPU.It loads on my Late 2013 MacBook Pro. https://docs.topazlabs.com/photo-ai/system-requirements
Ok was able to copy paste in Macpro/private /var/folder/ "Topaz Photo AI2.0.1.lock" light file from the macbookPro. Edit not working.
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Topaz has not put effort into their older tools (Gigipixel, DeNoise and Sharpen AI) for most of this year, focusing on Photo AI. For the most part these tools work well on both the Xeon MacPro, as well as Intel MBP, there is one bug in Sharpen AI they initially seemed to pursue but stopped responding to my emails failing to fix a crash.
With respect to Photo AI, with MacOS 12.6.8 on the MacPro, the tool is able to use an AMD GPU for its processing. But in Ventura Apple cast off support for AMD and Nvidia GPUs specifically for their CoreML (machine learning) library. In short Apple uses a library provided by Intel, which does not support AMD and Nvidea GPUs.
The result is that in Ventura the MacPro is forced to use the Xeon cores which if you have a 12-core machine is slower than say an AMD RX580, but not by much. For a MBP with a Corei7 and AMD, the same will occur using either the Corei7 or the on chip Intel GPU, ignoring the AMD.
All said comparing the legacy Topaz tools to Photo AI used to be a clear (pun intended). The legacy tools were much better than PhotoAI. Now the decision is more difficult, though development on Photo AI continues at a quick pace given weekly updates. And I believe content has a significant impact on the results given training of the models.
I'm still running Monterey given I want to use the external RX580 GPU, but at some point I might be forced to upgrade to at least Ventura and give up on GPU use. My expectation is that there might be a work around for this, but I'm not smart enough nor does it seem that the OCLP community is focused on making CoreML usable on MacPro.
With respect to Photo AI, with MacOS 12.6.8 on the MacPro, the tool is able to use an AMD GPU for its processing. But in Ventura Apple cast off support for AMD and Nvidia GPUs specifically for their CoreML (machine learning) library. In short Apple uses a library provided by Intel, which does not support AMD and Nvidea GPUs.
The result is that in Ventura the MacPro is forced to use the Xeon cores which if you have a 12-core machine is slower than say an AMD RX580, but not by much. For a MBP with a Corei7 and AMD, the same will occur using either the Corei7 or the on chip Intel GPU, ignoring the AMD.
All said comparing the legacy Topaz tools to Photo AI used to be a clear (pun intended). The legacy tools were much better than PhotoAI. Now the decision is more difficult, though development on Photo AI continues at a quick pace given weekly updates. And I believe content has a significant impact on the results given training of the models.
I'm still running Monterey given I want to use the external RX580 GPU, but at some point I might be forced to upgrade to at least Ventura and give up on GPU use. My expectation is that there might be a work around for this, but I'm not smart enough nor does it seem that the OCLP community is focused on making CoreML usable on MacPro.
Looks like the latest versions of Adobe Premiere Pro (24.0) and Media Encoder (24.0) now require AVX 2. Creative cloud lets you install the latest compatible version with your system, so that would be 23.6 for both applications.
I wouldn't be surprised if updated AVX 2 requirements make their way into more of their apps like Photoshop and Illustrator soon
I wouldn't be surprised if updated AVX 2 requirements make their way into more of their apps like Photoshop and Illustrator soon
Here's some additional information for those curious: https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/system-requirements-dva-apps.html
The installer simply shows "not compatible" when trying to install the latest version. The last compatible version shows up and installs fine as of now.
The installer simply shows "not compatible" when trying to install the latest version. The last compatible version shows up and installs fine as of now.