Losing faith in Apple

[Arctic Moose]

I have been a happy Mac user since 1992 and currently have the latest generation highest possible specification iMac 5K, MacBook Pro 15”, Apple TV 4K, iPad Pro 10.5” and iPhone 7.

Regretfully, I have to agree. Although there have been rough patches before, I don’t see any valid excuses for all the issues I am seeing this time.

There are lots of glitches, I can’t reliably switch my AirPods between devices, hotspots only connect half the time, Bluetooth is flaky, things don’t always sync, there are graphics and performance issues and there is plenty of force quitting and crashing of Apple’s default apps. (In fact, Notes just crashed, I don’t think that has ever happened before.)

On the hardware side, there are so many strange decisions. Why can’t I tell if my MacBook is on or not without opening the lid? Why can’t I tell if it is charging? Why can’t I carry my fully charged Pencil in my bag for two days without it discharging to zero? Why do I need to buy a dumb matte filter to be able to see anything but a reflection of myself in anything but total darkness?

There have always been components that don’t “just work”, but I don’t think my list of things that don’t work reliably at all has ever been this long.

 

[decafjava]

Well I for one liked "The Last Jedi" ok?

What ooops wrong thread.

 

[iScotsman]

You could always do a full backup beforehand

That's what I've been looking into. A back up of my virtual machine and a fresh install. I've uninstalled a few apps and not had any crashes in the last 4 days. Wasn't related to parallels so I've narrowed that down a bit. Just have to wait and see but yea that's definitely something to look at going forward. Now on my 6 with my Bluetooth headphones on my volume goes up and down by itself periodically lol since the last update. My friends 6+ has been having iMessage chats reversed with her chats on the wrong side. Will it ever end
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I have been a happy Mac user since 1992 and currently have the latest generation highest possible specification iMac 5K, MacBook 15”, Apple TV 4K, iPad Pro 10.5” and iPhone 7.

Regretfully, I have to agree. Although there have been rough patches before, I don’t see any good excuse for all the issues I am seeing now.

There are lots of glitches, I can’t reliably switch my AirPods between devices, hotspots only connect half the time, Bluetooth is flaky, things don’t always sync, there are graphics and performance issues and there is plenty of force quitting and crashing of Apple’s default apps. (In fact, Notes just crashed, I don’t think that has ever happened before.)

There have always been components that don’t “just work”, but I don’t think my list of things that don’t work reliably at all has ever been this long.

I've read on another forum that Apple has switched to automated beta testing with a public beta program. Can this be the reason that the new software sucks?

 

[s15119]

Is that you Tim?
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Agreed!

Yes, my name is Tim. No, I do not work for Apple. I just offer facts. Have a nice day. Please don't bother responding. I will not engage you any longer as you're clearly not interested in honest discussion.

 

[SuperBrown]

I've been feeling the exact same way about Apple for years now. It's been a slow and steady decline into mediocrity for them. I learned my lesson when I upgraded my iPhone 4 to iOS 6 or 7 (can't recall) and the thing became unbearable. I am now running iOS 10 on my iPhone 6 and will likely never upgrade to iOS 11 for fear of the same happening again. Not to mention all the apps it will break. I'm also still running Yosemite on my 2013 rMBP. No plans to upgrade on that front as well.

I so disillusioned with Apple these days. I've never owned a non-Apple computer or smartphone, but I honestly think I may start looking at the competition sooner than later.

 

[AidenShaw]

ps, great post reasonable one thanks, I will just lose too much by a clean install. I have a virtual windows machine that I just cant lose what on there. Months it would take me to set it up the way I need it too.

The VM should make it much easier to do a clean install - as long as you save the VM files and restore them. The directory containing the VM is self-contained and portable (at least with VMware, Hyper-V, Parallels, QEMU...). It should be untouched by the upgrade.

About the only hassle is that a VM directory created under a newer version of the VM hypervisor might not run under an older version - but that's easy to control.

 

[iScotsman]

Had a freeze and reboot before work this morning. Cheers Tim

 

[ExMacPro]

To be completely fair, I have the same issues. My mac before high sierra was a joke. It's a 2012 rMBP and it was made worse by Sierra, then made nearly into a brick by High Sierra. Thankfully, a full clean install did the trick and High Sierra is now "manageable" for me. It isn't perfect, there's a lot of weird glitches, but everything seems to work "ok" (stressing the quotes). I feel your pain. My iPhone 6 was turned into the slowest device I had ever seen by iOS 11. I have been so pissed off at Apple lately for letting me upgrade to an OS that wasn't meant for my devices. Upgrading to the iPhone X was what really saved me from insanity because my 6 made me want to kill myself or shoot the phone repeatedly when I used it. Also, I don't use my mac much anymore because my Windows gaming PC handles most of my daily needs. I REALLY prefer macOS when it works, but I can't stand using it as my main OS. I've been holding off an upgrade until the 2018 MBP comes out. The 2016 version was ****, the 2017 version was the same. With Apple finally listening to more pro non-fashion oriented users, I'm really hoping for a good MBP come 2018. Ive even said that Apple has listened to the MBP complaints, so I'm very hopeful. My MBP will almost be 6 years old if they announce it in the spring. I have my fingers crossed.

Edit: TBH the only thing they've made better using software has been my watch. WatchOS 3 was amazing in terms of speed for the series 0. At least I think it was WatchOS 3. Also, my iPad Pro (the original) while insanely glitchy when taking notes with apple pencil after iOS 11, has gotten better in other ways via software, so there's that. It just seems like Apple doesn't seem to care about older devices anymore. If a product is old they'd rather it get the new features rather than just exempting it from the list of products that can get the update. I for one would rather not get the new features if it meant that my phone worked. And everyone I know with an iPhone 6 or 6s would say the same. iOS11 did not bring enough cool stuff to warrant bricking every 6 model phone. I know some people don't have issues, but everyone I know with a 6 or 6S has an extremely laggy and slow phone right now and doesn't know how to fix it.

I guess now you know that Apple intentionally slows down their older phones. Go figure.

 

[Elwots]

It seems their main focus these days is immediate profit. They are doing everything in their power to nickel and dime and push people to constantly buy the latest and greatest, that they’re forgetting about keeping their customers happy and maintaining their image. 3 years ago, almost everyone I knew had an iPhone. Today, about half of my message threads are green.

 

[C DM]

It seems their main focus these days is immediate profit. They are doing everything in their power to nickel and dime and push people to constantly buy the latest and greatest, that they’re forgetting about keeping their customers happy and maintaining their image. 3 years ago, almost everyone I knew had an iPhone. Today, about half of my message threads are green.

There are likely all kinds of their people that had half of their message threads as green three years ago and now have petty much all of the blue.

 

[Martyimac]

Finally found this thread. I too am slowly losing faith in . When I finally came back to the fold in 2012, giving up Windows as my primary computing platform, everything "just worked". My iPhone, my mini, my MacPro. Since then it has been a constant, albeit slow, decline in my confidence level. This last year or 2 between iOS 10 and then 11, along with the constant and increasing irritations in MacOS and iOS, have eroded my satisfaction with . While everything works fairly well, I fear every update that comes out.
Part of this is based on the fact that I am just a home user, no businesses, not even secretarial duties of my car club so I don't stress my computers. But it seems that every update changes things that have worked just fine in previous iterations but  saw fit to change how they worked, or where they were located (iOS settings comes to mind), or in the case of Adobe, printing issues from Reader under HS. Interestingly, Adobe reader on Windows 10 does not have the issue, which in my mind makes  culpable.

I am now to the point where I will no longer be a first day upgrader. Rather I will wait until at least the .2 update before I consider doing the update.
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There are likely all kinds of their people that had half of their message threads as green three years ago and now have petty much all of the blue.

Not here, i am pretty much at 50/50 green vs blue.

 

[C DM]

Not here, i am pretty much at 50/50 green vs blue.

That's certainly a group as well--there are plenty of people all over that spectrum, that's basically the point.