Agreed. I haven't developed for the iPhone in over two years but this seems to me like a slacker developer who didn't turn off verbose error reporting on the iPad. If other devs are right and say that this happened 3-4 times in safari without being reported other than in the xcode then this is simply a debugging/optimization popup that the developer didn't turn off. This is meant to tell the developers that the app is running out of resources and to look for memory leaks and/or optimize their memory usage.
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Agreed. I haven't developed for the iPhone in over two years but this seems to me like a slacker developer who didn't turn off verbose error reporting on the iPad. If other devs are right and say that this happened 3-4 times in safari without being reported other than in the xcode then this is simply a debugging/optimization popup that the developer didn't turn off. This is meant to tell the developers that the app is running out of resources and to look for memory leaks and/or optimize their memory usage.
Low memory issue aren't new on the iPhone OS. Typically the OS just shuts down other background processes to free RAM, but sometimes does not do this in time to prevent the app you just launched from crashing.
In the last week or so I've seen these messages on both my iPhone and iPad. In both cases I just ignore them and the apps continue to run fine.
Like DSchwartz88 said, this appears to just be a verbose logging dialog that should have been disabled. I would expect these messages to go away in the next versions of these apps.
In the last week or so I've seen these messages on both my iPhone and iPad. In both cases I just ignore them and the apps continue to run fine.
Like DSchwartz88 said, this appears to just be a verbose logging dialog that should have been disabled. I would expect these messages to go away in the next versions of these apps.
If you take time to read your original post, you'll see that I was responding to your comment about phones.
Glad I can clear up any misconceptions you have about what you posted. If I can be any more help, just ask!
There is no way there should be any issue with the iPad running multitasking with the current amount of RAM. I used to run Backgrounder with my jail broken 3G iPhone without a problem and now with my 3GS. It is no problem, and that is with a jailbreak program hack. I am sure the Apple version of multitasking will be even that much better.
And as to there being a new version of the iPad come this fall, there is no way whatsoever this will occur. The 3G version is not even out yet here in the US, and none of the other countries even know when they are going to get theirs yet. I cant imaging that Apple would have literally spent years in development on this thing, jut to go and change it a few short months after release.
Most likely one of the apps you are running is not programmed right like others have said. It probably has a bad memory leak or something like that and should be updated by the developer.
And as to there being a new version of the iPad come this fall, there is no way whatsoever this will occur. The 3G version is not even out yet here in the US, and none of the other countries even know when they are going to get theirs yet. I cant imaging that Apple would have literally spent years in development on this thing, jut to go and change it a few short months after release.
Most likely one of the apps you are running is not programmed right like others have said. It probably has a bad memory leak or something like that and should be updated by the developer.
So long as the iPad 3G uses the A4 processor, I think it's pretty clear that this technically can not be done right now. Maybe next year, but they just can't be built cost effectively (if at all) with 512MB in the current fab plants.
I just suggested that as one possibility. What I can't accept is that Apple just screwed up and didn't put in enough memory. With all of the years of planning and design, the OS and it's memory utilization was obviously something that they spent a tremendous amount of time on. Can anyone see Steve slapping his forehead and saying: what were we thinking? We could have spent a little more and put in more memory! This was obviously well thought out and planned by them.
But functionally the error doesn't seem to mean anything for the user. You can ignore it and the apps run fine. It seams to be a just a new debug level message in the 3.2 SDK.
I wouldn't say that's it the developers 'fault' but it seems that this could be corrected by updating their apps. I've seen the message the most with We Rule. This app also has an iPhone client with all of the same quality assets that runs in under 30MB RAM. I'm confident that the app is not really memory starved on the iPad. Especially since ignoring the message has no negative impact on the game performance.
The device running out of ram cannot be corrected other than sacrificing features and or performance of the software that needs the ram. Phones are fine with 256mb they are much lower resolution and don't use nearly as much ram, you can run iphone apps on the ipad all day long without memory errors same cannot be said for ipad apps.
Just Amazing...
That 256MB of RAM would be considered low on what is essentially a handheld device.
My first 386 in 1992 had 4MB of RAM and it cost $250 to upgrade it to 8MB so it could run ACAD. My first Palm in 1997 had 512K of RAM
My new 27" iMac has 4GB. My, how times (and expectations) have changed...
Tony
That 256MB of RAM would be considered low on what is essentially a handheld device.
My first 386 in 1992 had 4MB of RAM and it cost $250 to upgrade it to 8MB so it could run ACAD. My first Palm in 1997 had 512K of RAM
My new 27" iMac has 4GB. My, how times (and expectations) have changed...
Tony
Since you didn't answer the question I take it you don't have an ipad then and you have just been talking out your backside with no experience of the situation at hand and your the one calling people idiots and retards?
Since you don't have one perhaps you can read about others having this issue with multiple different apps, just google it you'll find lots of hits:
http://gizmodo.com/5509384/sorry-your-ipad-is-low-on-memory
http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/ipad/low-memory-64299.html
http://modmyi.com/forums/general-ipad-chat/705741-low-memory.html
Oh and yes it is a memory issue with Safari that is pretty much obvious to just about anyone. Safari uses over 200mb of ram with just one web page open. It's not rocket science.
I mean now you are just plain wrong. Don't talk like a developer if your not, and if you are, you should take a class or two in optimization.
This had me rolling lol
"Steve really hates flash! Anything with flash on it... he wants out of his products! Even flash memory!"
"Steve really hates flash! Anything with flash on it... he wants out of his products! Even flash memory!"
Don't think you need to be a developer to realize that bigger better programs need more memory, if it wasn't the case we would still be using 512mb ram in our desktops now wouldn't we? Or are you attempting to say you can optimize any program to run on 512mb on the desktop?
The same applies to the iPad as we evolve from phones to tablets with bigger screens, more powerful processors, and bigger and better games and applications the ram also has to expand in order to support those programs. Without expansion of ram we'd still be playing pong on our TV's.
When the browser alone uses over 200mb of ram with one page open you need more than 256mb total ram in the system...it's just common sense. Do you own an iPad?
In desktops we have horribly underpowered physical hard drives that run slow so ram is much more needed the iPad has solid state flash and RAM soldered to the same die as the processor. windows xp runs on 64mb of ram in tiny mode....if you can make xp run with 64mb I'm damn sure you can build almost anything smaller. have you ever considered vector graphics? graphics that don't have to be loaded into memory but are simply computed using formulas instead?
Do you have any idea what RAM is actually used for and why it was created in the first place?
I own an iPad and I've developed for iPhone and continue to develop for other platforms. Browsers are a special problem with memory because of the nature of what a browser is (basically a mini virtualized os within an os, with dynamic translation on the fly).
I'm not trying to be a dick but you honestly just don't know what you're talking about. Your right with 256mb you won't be able to run crysis.....the A4 can't run it anyways....
Haha you crack me up. So you're comparing the iPad to a five year old system that has twice the ram? Also--the xBox doesn't really run more than one thing at a time. There is the game and the background notification / communication system. You open Netflix, you're stuck in Netflix. It doesn't even have a browser. I have no idea how you can compare iPad with that. You sound delusional. There is no excuse for 256mb of RAM. These are modern systems. My first computer that I built back in 2001 had 256mb ram. There wasn't HD movies, high speed Internet, or half the other crap that runs on the iPad. I agree that Apple engineers aren't dumb, but I do believe that Apple in general got a little greedy here. It has the same RAM as a phone but is expected to run much more. Realize that truth.
Safari can't even handle itself. That is a fact. Ask anyone who actually owns one. I don't know how many times I've switched tabs to go copy a link and when I come back my whole post is gone and the page reloads. Now I have to copy and paste the whole thing into Notes just to be safe, go copy my link, paste it into the reloaded post, go to Notes, copy my post again, go back to the thread (which hopefully hasn't reloaded AGAIN), and paste it back in, cut the link, and put it where it should have gone in the post before everything disappeared. Yeah, sounds like a great Apple experience.
256mb = bag of hurt
I'm even a "fanboy" for crying out loud. The iPad is mostly perfect aside from this one thing. Fact: Apple cheaped out. That's all there is to it.
Question: Why don't people have these same problems on the 3GS then? My tabs don't reload all the time.
Question: What would you say should be the cutoff then? Why not just cut it back to 128mb like the iPhone 3g? I mean, developers should just target that size. If they don't then it's their fault. Hell, with that logic Apple should just ship the iPad with 8mb of RAM and we can just run apps in BASIC. I mean, why even bother coding something complex and interesting? They could then pass on the savings to us and sell us iPads for $495! Imagine if I only had that $4 back! My iPad would be awesome man.
Taking things ine step further: the way I understand things, the iPad shares its RAM with the video processor? If that's the case, then by sheer logic one can deduce that the 5x higher resolution of the iPad screen would require a much larger frame buffer than an iPhone 3GS, using more of the available RAM by default. By just turning on, the iPad is already at a disadvantage memory wise to a 3GS!
I can't even browse 2 web pages at once without constant reloading let alone trying to play Crysis. I can see this discussion is pointless though as you only want to steer the conversation in infallible directions such as trying to run Crysis on the iPad. I don't know what you are smoking but noone is trying to run Crysis on their iPads we are only trying to run the apps from the market and browse the web and we are having these problems...it's plain to see.
Anyway as i've said I like the device and will continue to own one until something better comes available but I have no issue with pointing out obvious problems that anyone can see other than a developer trying to sell iPads so more people will buy his apps.
Cheers man.
Thanks man appreciate the post! I hate getting in these arguments and then being called a hater and whatever else LOL Fact is I really like the device but it needs more ram anyone that owns one and actually uses it can see it plain as day...
I really don't understand where the opposition comes from unless they are all just two bit app developers that don't want more ram and better apps and games because they won't be able to keep up and will have to offer their apps for free on the app store in order to compete.
There is just so much potential for this device but it is undeniably going to be held back by the lack of ram.
Yeah, a company with over $30 billion in cash sitting in the bank "cheaped out" while introducing a new line of product that has the potential to increase their market capitalization by tens of billions over the coming months.
Brilliant assessment. You crack me up.
I'm not arguing that 256 is lower then what most like. I'm suggesting that these apps actually aren't running out of memory at all. The error message does not result in the application crashing, stalling or even exhibiting lower performance. In fact the only symptom of this 'issue' is the message itself.
For everybody complaining about the iPad, if it doesn't meet your performance expectation, didn't buy one. Thats the quickest way to affect a change in Apples approach.
As for me I've been typing on one all night, and despite only having 256MB, it's the best experience I've had with a highly portable device.
Yeah, a company with over $30 billion in cash sitting in the bank "cheaped out" while introducing a new line of product that has the potential to increase their market capitalization by tens of billions over the coming months.
Brilliant assessment. You crack me up.
I'd love to hear your brilliant assessment as to why they would put as much RAM into their new product line as they do in their cell phone line, despite the fact that the new product line has over five times the screen resolution and much more media rich content to display.
Have you even used an iPad? Or a 3GS? It's obvious that the RAM is the cause, as the 3GS doesn't really exhibit similar behavior. 256mb is fine for a phone, but not a tablet.
They were just shaving down the specs to increase profit margins. Ever wonder why they have that $30 billion in cash? In 2008 when I bought my Macbook Pro, it was around $800 for Apple to install 4gb of RAM in my system. That was $800 for an extra 2gb!!!!!!!! I bought two 2gb sticks on NewEgg for around $150 at the time, sold off the two 1gb sticks for like $50-60, saved $700. Apple loves over charging for RAM. However, they have improved in this area recently. Since it costs all of $5 more for 512mb, yes, they cheaped out at the expense of the user experience.