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DMG35

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We have seen this already in other threads, part of the problem is that volume is mapped differently, once you use max volume they become much closer in volume.... Which means you need to raise volume more on the 2021 if you are not at max volume. Of course this is just for volume, bass etc is another story and is due to the apparently different shape of the speakers...

Having to turn up the 2021 to Max volume to get a similar sound as the 2020 to me is BS. Its a worse speaker in the 2021 and that is unfortunate considering the price of the 2021 Model. Why Apple did this is beyond me and its not just the speaker itself, its the amount of speaker holes allowing sound to escape. Not something that is fixable with software and Apple did us dirty on this one.
 

Marshall73

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Yeah. There is zero chance that going from 17 Speaker holes down to 11 isn’t affecting audio output. The 2020 sounds better to me in every instance and I think people saying otherwise is just purchase justification.

I hate it when Apple cheaps out on little things like this while charging more money.
Very good, at least you have that vs performance and display.
 

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Yeah. There is zero chance that going from 17 Speaker holes down to 11 isn’t affecting audio output. The 2020 sounds better to me in every instance and I think people saying otherwise is just purchase justification.

I hate it when Apple cheaps out on little things like this while charging more money.
The number of holes does not matter nearly as much as the hardware behind them and the software being used to create the sound, both at the speaker-level and overall.

My wife has a 2020 iPad and there is no difference in sound output overall compared to my 2021. My 2021 does indeed have better sound overall.
 

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The number of holes does not matter nearly as much as the hardware behind them and the software being used to create the sound, both at the speaker-level and overall.

My wife has a 2020 iPad and there is no difference in sound output overall compared to my 2021. My 2021 does indeed have better sound overall.

I highly disagree with both statements but if you think it sounds better that’s great for you. I’ve test two different M1 12.9” and they both sounded worse than the 2020 model.
 

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I bought a 2018 11 pro refurbished. I was in the Apple store yesterday testing a website that makes calls using Twilio. I had both iPads up to maximum volume and I did not think the 2021 was any louder in hearing the voicemails, both were very quiet. I put the 2021 close to my face because of the noise in the store.

Even though both iPads sounded similar to my ears on that test, I still think there is something wrong with the 11 pro speakers on my device so I returned it in store and ordered another one online. Apple does not have any tests for the speakers so their advice was to return it as I was on my 13th day. The reason I felt something was wrong was because I was unable to hear video sound unless I used bluetooth when I shared my screen on Zoom although my listeners could hear fine. I tested with the iPhone 12 pro which had great sound and I tested also with my trusty Air 2 that is 6 1/2 yrs old and was able to hear fine as well without having to use bluetooth.

i realize this thread is about the 12.9 so sorry if I am off topic here
 

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I highly disagree with both statements but if you think it sounds better that’s great for you. I’ve test two different M1 12.9” and they both sounded worse than the 2020 model.
Do you own a 2021 12.9 pro? Or just tested it?
 

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I Believe you and I feel your pain… The pictures comparing the differences in speakers holes side by side, the 2021 looks less aesthetically pleasing to me. I liked the more holes look lol Why did the 2020/2018 have more holes??? Were they just blanks? Or have the speakers internally reduced in size?
 

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I Believe you and I feel your pain… The pictures comparing the differences in speakers holes side by side, the 2021 looks less aesthetically pleasing to me. I liked the more holes look lol Why did the 2020/2018 have more holes??? Were they just blanks? Or have the speakers internally reduced in size?

They weren’t blanks and allowed more sound to come out. Its really obvious when watching video how less clear the voices sound, especially at lower volumes.
 
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DSTOFEL

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I love my M1 iPad Pro but I can’t help but notice that the speakers are weaker than both the 2018 and 2020 models. A little disappointed that Apple did this on such an expensive device and not really sure why they did it. I’ve tested two different 12.9 M1 models against my old 2018 iPad Pro as well as my wife’s 2020 iPad Pro both 12.9 and the M1 is definitely weaker. One click up from mute and the M1 gives off no sound, while both the other models give off noticeable sound. In fact you need to turn up the M1 model a few clicks from total mute to even generate any sound at all.

I’ve also noticed that the M1 model doesn’t sound as full as the other models and at full volume just produces an overall weaker sound. Not really sure why Apple did this or if the fewer number of speaker holes in the M1 model are the reason for this but kind of a bummer. Not a deal breaker for me but I would think that this newest model should have the most premium speakers of all of them and it definitely does not.
That’s interesting. I found just the opposite with the 11 inch M1. I have the 2018 11 inch IPP and bought the M1 11 inch thinking it would be a significant upgrade. I returned the M1 after trying it for a few days. Decided to keep the 2018 for another year to see if the new display tech would make it‘s way to the 11 inch model. The one big difference I did notice between the two models was the speakers. The speakers on the M1 were significantly louder than the 2018. Much better sound. It’s the very first thing I noticed about the M1. Sounds like the 12 inch is just the opposite.
 

Kyle76

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They weren’t blanks and allowed more sound to come out. Its really obvious when watching video how less clear the voices sound, especially at lower volumes.
I would argue that the larger holes, though fewer, provide as much or more total opening for sound to travel through than the more numerous smaller holes. I haven’t done precise measurements, but if the larger holes are, say, 4/32nds of an inch in diameter, and the smaller holes are 3/32nds of an inch, 11 larger holes equal more total surface area than 17 smaller holes by roughly 10%. Further, units of volume increase are pretty arbitrary. Just because one speaker sounds louder at 2 clicks than another doesn’t mean it’s louder all the way up to maximum volume. That’s just not a reasonable test of overall loudness. The ‘18 model may be louder overall, but you’d really need to compare maximum volume, and I don’t think the configuration of the holes is a significant factor.
 

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I would argue that the larger holes, though fewer, provide as much or more total opening for sound to travel through than the more numerous smaller holes. I haven’t done precise measurements, but if the larger holes are, say, 4/32nds of an inch in diameter, and the smaller holes are 3/32nds of an inch, 11 larger holes equal more total surface area than 17 smaller holes by roughly 10%. Further, units of volume increase are pretty arbitrary. Just because one speaker sounds louder at 2 clicks than another doesn’t mean it’s louder all the way up to maximum volume. That’s just not a reasonable test of overall loudness. The ‘18 model may be louder overall, but you’d really need to compare maximum volume, and I don’t think the configuration of the holes is a significant factor.

Not that it matters, but I’m comparing against the 2020 iPad Pro not the 2018. I’m not talking about overall loudness. I only pointed that out because of how different the speakers sound at low volume. They are both loud, but the 2020 model is not only louder, its clearer and sounds better.

I rarely watch videos at Maximum Volume so I don’t know how that’s a reasonable test either. I do watch them at low volume at night though and its a noticeable difference in clarity in voices.

To that point, if Apple had made a better speaker for the M1 I think they most likely would have mentioned that. Sound is something they typically touch on when improvements were made and they would have said if they had put a better speaker in the 2021 model.

And I’m not saying this makes the M1 iPad a bad product by any means. I just find it a little annoying that the speakers don’t sound as good as the 2020 model in my opinion. At the end of the day its a small gripe but its an iPad forum and I noticed it today and thought I would touch on it.
 

Kyle76

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Not that it matters, but I’m comparing against the 2020 iPad Pro not the 2018. I’m not talking about overall loudness. I only pointed that out because of how different the speakers sound at low volume. They are both loud, but the 2020 model is not only louder, its clearer and sounds better.

I rarely watch videos at Maximum Volume so I don’t know how that’s a reasonable test either. I do watch them at low volume at night though and its a noticeable difference in clarity in voices.

To that point, if Apple had made a better speaker for the M1 I think they most likely would have mentioned that. Sound is something they typically touch on when improvements were made and they would have said if they had put a better speaker in the 2021 model.

And I’m not saying this makes the M1 iPad a bad product by any means. I just find it a little annoying that the speakers don’t sound as good as the 2020 model in my opinion. At the end of the day its a small gripe but its an iPad forum and I noticed it today and thought I would touch on it.
I can’t compare to the 2020 because this is my first iPad Pro. Coming from a 6th Generation, I find the sound to be very good. I, too, watch movies at low volumes, and I find dialogue clear and easy to understand, much better than my old iPad, which I had to turn way up to clearly understand dialogue. The 2020 may sound better, I can’t say, but I doubt the 2021 is crippled by the new hole configuration.
 

mdhaus72

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I highly disagree with both statements but if you think it sounds better that’s great for you. I’ve test two different M1 12.9” and they both sounded worse than the 2020 model.
You're clearly entitled to your own opinion - On my end, there was no drop-off. But it's just categorically wrong to think that the number of holes is something you should be using as your so-called evidence. For example:

Sample A: Speaker panel has 40 separate holes for sound and the software and audio board supporting it is from 10 generations ago when the applicable technology was newer overall and struggled.

Sample B: Speaker panel has 10 separate holes for sound and the software and audio board supporting it is state-of-the-art and specifically designed to drive various audio options in-depth.

Which sample above is most likely to produce the best sound? And most likely the loudest, too?

It's ultimately not the number of holes....it's the tech and the overall design.
 

marmiteturkey

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I highly disagree with both statements but if you think it sounds better that’s great for you. I’ve test two different M1 12.9” and they both sounded worse than the 2020 model.
You seem willing to accept that other people's experience is subjective but treat your own as fact, because you've counted the number of holes and decided that there is 'zero chance' that it is not impacting the sound. That feels quite inconsistent to me.

FWIW I have a 2018 and a 2021 12.9 here and there is no meaningful difference between the sound quality. Granted, I have 45-year old ears.
 

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My wife has a 2020 iPad and there is no difference in sound output overall compared to my 2021. My 2021 does indeed have better sound overall.
There is a significant difference especially in voices. The 2020 had better speakers than the 2018. Voice on the 2021 at low and middle volume is disappointing.
 

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I can’t compare to the 2020 because this is my first iPad Pro. Coming from a 6th Generation, I find the sound to be very good. I, too, watch movies at low volumes, and I find dialogue clear and easy to understand, much better than my old iPad, which I had to turn way up to clearly understand dialogue. The 2020 may sound better, I can’t say, but I doubt the 2021 is crippled by the new hole configuration.

If I wasnt’ comparing it to the 2020 iPad I would think it sounded fine too. Its not that the M1 sounds noticeably bad, it just doesn’t sound as good as the previous model. And I’m simply looking at what is staring at me int he face, which is is less speaker holes than the previous model. That may not be why, but it certainly could be.
 

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You seem willing to accept that other people's experience is subjective but treat your own as fact, because you've counted the number of holes and decided that there is 'zero chance' that it is not impacting the sound. That feels quite inconsistent to me.

FWIW I have a 2018 and a 2021 12.9 here and there is no meaningful difference between the sound quality. Granted, I have 45-year old ears.

Because it is fact that the 2020 model sounds better for video at low volume when you compare it side by side with the 2021 model. Its easy to hear in the video I posted. I’m not saying its solely on the number of speaker holes because Apple also redesigned the speakers inside the M1 iPad. I just pointed the speaker holes as one of the possible reasons.
 

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Because it is fact that the 2020 model sounds better for video at low volume when you compare it side by side with the 2021 model. Its easy to hear in the video I posted. I’m not saying its solely on the number of speaker holes because Apple also redesigned the speakers inside the M1 iPad. I just pointed the speaker holes as one of the possible reasons.

No it’s not a fact, it is your subjective opinion. And I think you are wrong, I don’t think there’s a difference.
 

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No it’s not a fact, it is your subjective opinion. And I think you are wrong, I don’t think there’s a difference.

Lol you can ”think” I’m wrong all you want. But at lower volume levels the 2021 iPad Pro‘s speakers are not as good as the 2020’s, and that is fact.
 
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ofarlig

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Lol you can ”think” I’m wrong all you want. But at lower volume levels the 2021 iPad Pro‘s speakers are not as good as the 2020’s, and that is fact.

The only fact is that you clearly need a dictionary to look up the words you are using.
 
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DMG35

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The only fact is that you clearly need a dictionary to look up the words you are using.
If you can’t hear the difference in the video I posted then that’s great for you. Unfortunately I do hear a pretty stark difference and so have several other people who have done similar tests.
 

ofarlig

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If you can’t hear the difference in the video I posted then that’s great for you. Unfortunately I do hear a pretty stark difference and so have several other people who have done similar tests.
Well I have a 2020 and a 2021 at home and I just did another test “side by side” focusing on low volumes (previously I focused on louder volumes). I cannot notice any stand out difference in sound quality really. What I can notice is that there’s a different volume scale so two “ticks” up from muted on the 2021 model is much lower in volume. When putting both on “two ticks” the 2020 sounded fuller but that is normal when one source is louder, that is why all audio comparisons always need to be performed at the same actual volume.
 

DMG35

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Well I have a 2020 and a 2021 at home and I just did another test “side by side” focusing on low volumes (previously I focused on louder volumes). I cannot notice any stand out difference in sound quality really. What I can notice is that there’s a different volume scale so two “ticks” up from muted on the 2021 model is much lower in volume. When putting both on “two ticks” the 2020 sounded fuller but that is normal when one source is louder, that is why all audio comparisons always need to be performed at the same actual volume.

That is exactly what I was talking about when I said that its fact that the M1 iPad doesn’t sound as good as the 2020 model at lower volumes when they are at equal volume levels.
 
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That is exactly what I was talking about when I said that its fact that the M1 iPad doesn’t sound as good as the 2020 model at lower volumes when they are at equal volume levels.

Maybe that’s the confusion then, to me equal volume levels means the actual volume is equal (what the iPad says doesn’t matter). So one device could be 4 ticks and one 3 and so on. That is the standard when comparing audio equipment just because louder (within reason) usually sounds better.
 
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