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Yeah. That's the way to go. To be honest, I am also highly considering returning the 16" and just going with the cheapest possible 14" this round. It's not like cash is strapped but there are few things I'm not quite... satisfied with this year's design.

I know I will definitely upgrade whenever a better design comes around, so... there is no point in going all out now.
curious about what you dont like of this year's design ? from a visual standpoint u mean?
 

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how do you mean,the a15 is pretty impressive ,great performance and superb efficiency (as well as other improvements)

A15 vs A14 is like... 13% faster, at most. It's typically just about 8-10%.

Hell, it throttles in the iPhone 13 as well, which means... Apple can only do so much. The chip is already kind of maxing out.
 

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A15 vs A14 is like... 13% faster, at most. It's typically just about 8-10%.

Hell, it throttles in the iPhone 13 as well, which means... Apple can only do so much. The chip is already kind of maxing out.
but its much much more efficient ,also the efficieny cores have greatly improved with this iteration ,being almost on par with mid cores in android chips lol,whilst consuming same amount of power as littles

also the scores are actually quite impressive if the iphone is being cooled down ,tho idk if doing the same experience last year wouldnt have given similar results ...look :
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but its much much more efficient ,also the efficieny cores have greatly improved with this iteration ,being almost on par with mid cores in android chips lol,whilst consuming same amount of power as littles

The fact that it throttles compared to A14 means the A15 is actually not more efficient at all. It's just a bigger chip, with more transistors.

Also most (if not all?) Android phones are still at least one whole node behind at 7nm. So I don't see how that's evidence that the A15 is "much better."

This is like Intel making a 200W chip and proclaiming that it's faster than their 140W chip.
 

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The fact that it throttles compared to A14 means the A15 is actually not more efficient at all. It's just a bigger chip, with more transistors.

Also most (if not all?) Android phones are still at least one whole node behind at 7nm. So I don't see how that's evidence that the A15 is "much better."

This is like Intel making a 200W chip and proclaiming that it's faster than their 140W chip.
i wouldnt be too sure.you see this year's iphone's design is pretty dumb ,with the chip and the modem being stacked together,the modem facing the soc lol .

nope,they are using 5nm ? sd888,exynos2100,tensor.
mediatek is on 6nm i think but not sure
np ill share an article https://www.anandtech.com/show/16983/the-apple-a15-soc-performance-review-faster-more-efficient/2
 

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i wouldnt be too sure.you see this year's iphone's design is pretty dumb ,with the chip and the modem being stacked together,the modem facing the soc lol .

nope,they are using 5nm ? sd888,exynos2100,tensor.
mediatek is on 6nm i think but not sure
np ill share an article https://www.anandtech.com/show/16983/the-apple-a15-soc-performance-review-faster-more-efficient/2

SD888 and Exynos 2100 are 5nm at Samsung. Not comparable. Samsung's 5nm is somewhat more like 6nm for TSMC.

And again, please look at A14 vs A15. A15 is not a significant leap compared to A14.
 

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SD888 and Exynos 2100 are 5nm at Samsung. Not comparable. Samsung's 5nm is somewhat more like 6nm for TSMC.

And again, please look at A14 vs A15. A15 is not a significant leap compared to A14.
plus they kinda suck,i agree hahah

idk honestly the new E cores are quite good reallly lol
 

bill-p

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plus they kinda suck,i agree hahah

idk honestly the new E cores are quite good reallly lol

And the MacBook Pro gets very few E cores, so... I don't think what Apple is doing to the E cores matters much.

In the grand scheme of things, again, A15 is still a very marginal improvement over A14. If we are still on the same node next generation, I am not expecting big changes.
 

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And the MacBook Pro gets very few E cores, so... I don't think what Apple is doing to the E cores matters much.

In the grand scheme of things, again, A15 is still a very marginal improvement over A14. If we are still on the same node next generation, I am not expecting big changes.
and that is unfortunate ,because E cores rock ,and they gonna rock even more in next gen. im roughly assuming that if 4E equal 1.3P in the m1,in the m2 they will be like 1.75P ,whilst being MORE efficient than the previous gen.at this rythm giving 4-6E cores to the mba might lead it to have an incredible battery life ,too good in fact

im very sad there only are 2e cores in the new mbp honestly,i think that was a mistake

but sorry im getting out of topic .i just think E cores matter tremendously,and they will matter even more in the future,perhaps even for the pro machines,we shall see

idk why i talk so much but overall i agree with you,i expected armv9 with sve2 this year. still as incremental as it is ,the much better efficiency,the new gpu cores ,its not too bad.surely some bigger changes will come with a16/m3 ,but trust me ,having a battery 30& better on the mbp14 isnt sth i would refuse
 

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A15 vs A14 is like... 13% faster, at most. It's typically just about 8-10%.

Hell, it throttles in the iPhone 13 as well, which means... Apple can only do so much. The chip is already kind of maxing out.
That jump is much bigger than the crumbs Intel was giving us every year on single thread performance since Sky Lake.
 

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I think it's more likely Apple will introduce 12" and 14" MacBook Airs, retiring the 13" line completely.

I'm not holding my breath for M2 since TSMC won't have any improvement to their production process until 2023. It's clear that whatever improvement we'll see next year or even in 2023, it'll be incremental compared to any current M1 chip.
yeah you were right
 

JPack

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yeah you were right

MacBook Air will be 13.6-inch for years to come. Ross Young doesn't believe the 12-inch MacBook exists.

I think everyone knew M2 would be a minor upgrade. It's still part of the N5 family. Sort of like when Intel was stuck on 14nm. There can only be limited improvements.
 
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