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Fravin

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M1 Macs are very efficient but no, they're not that efficient, so there's something else going on. It's now the winter where you are, so were you running the AC a lot during the summer?

We don’t have temperature drops so high as you during the winter. Actually, winter is so hot as summer down here.
I live in Rio. Here is hot as hell. AC runs all day long.
 

Tech198

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Recently I changed my mighty PC for a M1 Mac Mini.

The PC was running Windows with an i9, a RTX2070 and a 850w PSU. All other devices are the same. Same display, same printer, same external drivers...

We (Me and my wife) didn't changed any of our habits. The same usual power consumption. The M1 Mini is the only thing different.

But the power bill has dropped half. In the first month i tought it could be an error somehow. But we are in the fourth month and the bill kept the new level.

Is it possible that M1 is that power efficient?

haha.. errors do happen
 
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SirAnthonyHopkins

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We don’t have temperature drops so high as you during the winter. Actually, winter is so hot as summer down here.
I live in Rio. Here is hot as hell. AC runs all day long.

fair enough. I’m in the UK where we have to have the heating on in the middle of summer so that’s not a problem I’m familiar with …
 
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tornado99

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How did people live before AC was invented? Sounds like poor building design if you have to run AC 24 hours a day.
 

meady100

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Surely this is simple maths? You know how long each computer was on for and how much energy it used - so figure out their respective KWhour figures per month. Minus the smaller figure from the larger and times the remainder by your supplier's kwH unit rate (usually on the statement) to find out how much you are actually saving.
 

Fravin

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Look at the bill's chart of usage:

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Fravin

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How did people live before AC was invented? Sounds like poor building design if you have to run AC 24 hours a day.
I think it's about the climate, not the houses.

Down here in Brazil we have a high humidity weather. In Rio, where I live, we are about 80% Average Humidity during all year.

The temperatures goes from 86F to 105F during the whole year.

A/C is a must down here.
 

mi7chy

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Of course gaming was a big part of that i9 usage.

So, usage did change after all and also no more GPU accelerated workloads like Davinci Resolve which are things the M1 can't compete against.
 

Maconplasma

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Yes, correct.

Down here we live in an apartment. It's kinda usual to live in apartament buildings here. My apartament has two rooms with AC. One is turned on by day, the other for the whole night. In Brazil, winter is as hot as summer, we didn’t drop the AC usage.

My old computer were used to work, mostly intensive video editions, and occasionally gaming. The M1 MacMini replaced it. I’m very happy with the performance and the hability to handle the tasks. And, of course paying less for electricity.

Brazillian Government has increased the price for Watt so I am considering the watt usage.

I will attach a chart here showing the drop.
Showing the drop doesn't prove the Mac was the reason for it.
 
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Fravin

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And where does it show that the M1 Mac is the reason for the energy drop? I see nothing here.

I'm just saying that drop in the bill have wowed me and I was wondering what should caused it. And the only thing that changed was the replacement of the computer.

I bought the Mini in February. Between Feb 10 and Mar 20 I kept booth running trying to make myself the switch. Them, I decided to sell the PC and keep the Mini for working.

As my workload increased and I had to stop gaming to handle the load, I minded buying a Mac. As the GPU and hardware prices were going crazy I sold the entire thing bought the M1 Mini and now I'm paying less for electricity. lol
 
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mi7chy

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Electricity difference between June 2021 and June 2020 is 220 kWh.

At 0.687 BRL per kWh of electricity you're saving 151.14 BRL ($29.98 USD) per month.

But you're spending 8699.00 BRL + 17% tax = 10177.83 BRL ($2019.09 USD) starting on a base Mac Mini M1.

You have to amortize the new Mac Mini M1 over 5.6 years to break even.

An accountant would say it doesn't make monetary sense like buying an EV to save on gas.
 
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thejadedmonkey

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Look at the bill's chart of usage:

View attachment 1796013

There's a difference of 240kwh between January and March.

Since you have an 850 watt PSU, lets assume that your computer is pulling 680 watts, which is 80% of the PSU's total capacity and the max it should pull, for 30 days every month. If my math is correct, 240000kwh / 680watts / 30 days per month = using your computer 11.76 hours per day at full power.

If that's the case, yes, it's possible that the M1 halved your power usage. I'd be more interested in what it is that you do, where your PC was unable to throttle and had to run at max speeds all day long.

Certainly using that much power would also generate excess heat, which would up any AC bill, so it's possible that if you worked on it just 8 hours, the rest is due to cooling costs.
 

Maconplasma

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ooops I'm sorry.

I'm not trying to prove anything here. Justa sharing with you what happened.

I'm sorry.
Then I'm confused. Isn't your thread about you stating your PC was causing a spike in your electric bill and then you switched it for the M1 Mac your bill went down nearly half? That's exactly what you said and that's also your thread title. I don't see how this is possible. It's a good chance your electric company simply dropped their rates around the same time of you getting the M1 Mac.
 

boss.king

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Recently I changed my mighty PC for a M1 Mac Mini.

The PC was running Windows with an i9, a RTX2070 and a 850w PSU. All other devices are the same. Same display, same printer, same external drivers...

We (Me and my wife) didn't changed any of our habits. The same usual power consumption. The M1 Mini is the only thing different.

But the power bill has dropped half. In the first month i tought it could be an error somehow. But we are in the fourth month and the bill kept the new level.

Is it possible that M1 is that power efficient?
I think it's less that your current machine is that efficient (although it is) but the hardware you were running before consumes a crazy amount of power and is really inefficient.
 
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Fravin

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using your computer 11.76 hours per day at full power.

I'm used to work about 10 hours per day, and I would play for several hours at night.

But one thing in your post just came to may attention. My PC was set to squeeze i9 to provide the more performance. It was running overclocked. Perhaps this could let it in full throttle.

Well, it was a good computer. But i like M1 Mini most.

I have the same job done, with no extra efforts or hours consumed. I have a dead silent (my PC had 360 liquid cooling and 3 other fans) room and a drop in the power bill.
 

plinden

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Then I'm confused. Isn't your thread about you stating your PC was causing a spike in your electric bill and then you switched it for the M1 Mac your bill went down nearly half? That's exactly what you said and that's also your thread title. I don't see how this is possible. It's a good chance your electric company simply dropped their rates around the same time of you getting the M1 Mac.
We've shown that it is definitely possible, given some assumptions about how the OP used his computer. And his graph shows power usage in kWh, not how much it cost him. It shows it dropped from around 530kWh/month to 260kWh/month

After I got an EV, my electricity consumption went up by 100-200kWh per month. I've no proof it was the purchase of the EV that caused my power bill to go up, but it coincided with the purchase, and is the most likely cause.
 
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