M1 Macs - first machines where the OS/CPU/machine made by same mfgr?

[haralds]

If I'm not mistaken, the DEC MicroVax computers also had OS, CPU and machine all made by the same company.

DEC built everything in-house. PDPs, Vax, VaxMate, DecMate, Rainbow etc. were all internally designed.
For personal computers, Rainbow ran CPM 86/80 (it had both processors) and Concurrent CPM as well as MS-DOS.
Vax and PDPs a variety of DECs OSs tailored to the task including VMS. Vax and PDPs also ran various forms of Unix and Venix. Vax ran a lot of BSD.
There were also other systems like the PDP10. But I personally did not have experience with those systems.
DEC had its own fabs, but might also have outsourced. X86 processors came from Intel, of course.

 

[lcubed]

i've worked on so many of these machines/OS's in the past.

i'm surprised no one has mentioned HP and all their PA-RISC line and of course, HP-UX

 

[cmaier]

i've worked on so many of these machines/OS's in the past.

i'm surprised no one has mentioned HP and all their PA-RISC line and of course, HP-UX

the PA-RISC machines were mentioned

 

[pshufd]

DEC built everything in-house. PDPs, Vax, VaxMate, DecMate, Rainbow etc. were all internally designed.
For personal computers, Rainbow ran CPM 86/80 (it had both processors) and Concurrent CPM as well as MS-DOS.
Vax and PDPs a variety of DECs OSs tailored to the task including VMS. Vax and PDPs also ran various forms of Unix and Venix. Vax ran a lot of BSD.
There were also other systems like the PDP10. But I personally did not have experience with those systems.
DEC had its own fabs, but might also have outsourced. X86 processors came from Intel, of course.

The DECMates used Harris CPUs which mostly emulated the PDP-8.
The VAXMate, despite the name, was x86. I had one of these from work for a couple of years.
Common DEC OS' on PDP-11s: RT-11, RSX, RSTS-11.
PDP-10s were also (or later) called DECSystem 10 which were larger systems. I used one or maybe it was a DecSystem 20 for marketing research back in the 1980s, probably using SAS or the other popular program for slicing and dicing (don't recall the name).

I recall that DEC had a Fab in Hudson, MA which it later sold to Intel.

 

[dmccloud]

No.

First, Apple doesn’t make the CPU. They only designed it.

Second, the Commodore 64, just as an example, used a CPU designed *and* manufactured by Commodore (MOS Technology was owned by Commodore, and later changed its name to Commodore Semiconductor Group). And, of course, the OS was also made by Commodore.

I’m sure there are other examples.

The Commodore VIC-20 also fits this criteria.

 

[cmaier]

The Commodore VIC-20 also fits this criteria.

Cool. There is a series of books about the history of Commodore which is pretty good - it gets into the chip stuff in some detail, and explains that Tramiel essentially didn’t care about the computers except as a way of using the CPUs he was making at his other company.

 

[BigSplash]

Don’t forget Data General and Wang.

Control Data and UNIVAC, I still have some of my old card decks.

 

[pshufd]

Control Data and UNIVAC, I still have some of my old card decks.

I unfortunately tossed mine which I regret. Would have been nice to save some. I still have a MagTape though.

 

[jdb8167]

The Microvax I worked on in collage fit that, it had its own form of UNIX though. Almost all the early DEC machines were all DEC. The first machine I ever worked on was a DEC PDP-8e in '73 4K of RAM!

It could also run VMS which was wholly a DEC product.

 

[pshufd]

I think that DEC's Unix was called Ultrix.

 

[bobcomer]

It could also run VMS which was wholly a DEC product.

We had normal sized VAX that ran VMS, but all the Microvax's used their form of UNIX, probably ULTRIX, but I don't really remember that well. I was doing a project on one where I had to program for X11 using X10 documentation. I pretty much despised UNIX for a long time because of that. And then there's vi, which I will despise until I die.

 

[lcubed]

i remember vi because it was the fallback when the hp-ux graphics environment failed to initialize and i would have to tweak the startup routines.

 

[jdb8167]

We had normal sized VAX that ran VMS, but all the Microvax's used their form of UNIX, probably ULTRIX, but I don't really remember that well. I was doing a project on one where I had to program for X11 using X10 documentation. I pretty much despised UNIX for a long time because of that. And then there's vi, which I will despise until I die.

If I remember correctly microvax/VMS was pretty stripped down to fit within the microvax constraints.

 

[pshufd]

i remember vi because it was the fallback when the hp-ux graphics environment failed to initialize and i would have to tweak the startup routines.

vi is so handy. If you work on a lot of different Unix platforms, it's the lowest common denominator. I normally used emacs but then I had to diagnose ports for a variety of Unix platforms so I had to learn vi.

 

[jlc1978]

FWIW, I can remember the days when internal components for desktop systems were all made domestically. I bought some RAM from I think it was Newer Technologies, and it was actually made in the southwest some place (California probably). So, since nearly every darn thing is made in China and has been for the last, like, 2 and a half decades, I doubt any computer maker actually "makes" anything, unless it's very specialized stuff and they have a good reason for building it here in the U.S. (or England, or Germany, or wherever).

Micron still makes chips in Idaho, kinda fitting if you ask me.

 

[pshufd]

Micron still makes chips in Idaho, kinda fitting if you ask me.

I looked up the list of fabs and their locations and was surprised at how many there are in the United States. They aren't leading process but there are a lot of them.

List of semiconductor fabrication plants - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Blue Quark]

I looked up the list of fabs and their locations and was surprised at how many there are in the United States. They aren't leading process but there are a lot of them.

List of semiconductor fabrication plants - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is nice to know Apple maintains some degree of manufacturing and design which does not take place in China. I'm getting to the point (whether clear-mindedly or a a result of paranoia) of not wanting any more tech (particularly ICs) which come out of that country.

 

[jerryk]

I think that DEC's Unix was called Ultrix.

Yep. I spent 10 years at DEC. Good times.

 

[satcomer]

Yep. I spent 10 years at DEC. Good times.

I learned about Vax systems at RIT when I had to take a programming course on the Vax and had to program a triangle by code! It felt good when I passed that class!

 

[pshufd]

Yep. I spent 10 years at DEC. Good times.

I supported a product called Ultrix SQL in the 1980s which was just Ingres bundled into Ultrix. The good old days before consolidation. Customers had far more choices for hardware and software.

 

[cmaier]

Yep. I spent 10 years at DEC. Good times.

I interviewed there with the Alpha team in the ‘90’s.

Didn’t go well

 

[pshufd]

I interviewed there with the Alpha team in the ‘90’s.

Didn’t go well

Mid-1990s was when a lot of groups got wiped out.

 

[jerryk]

I interviewed there with the Alpha team in the ‘90’s.

Didn’t go well

Alpha team was an interesting group. Nice people and bright. We had a lot of them out since our group supported Lawrence Livermore and other high-energy physics labs. And the Alpha was a good way for researchers to get lots of computing power in a small package.

 

[jdb8167]

Yep. I spent 10 years at DEC. Good times.

I can see the old mill from my front porch ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. That’s the best I’ve got.

 

[jerryk]

I can see the old mill from my front porch ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. That’s the best I’ve got.

Never went there. About as close as I got was the engineering facilities in Nashua, NH.