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ECJ

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I have been excited about the rollout of the new M1 Macs, As a result, I have watched many reviews and benchmarks, to get as much information as possible from them. Feeling confident, I ordered a M1 MBP 16GB/1TB and a M1 Mac Mini 16GB/2TB. Looking back at the reviews and benchmarks, I see that I don't have anywhere near as demanding workflow or use of CPU/GPU intensive apps as the reviewers. Previously I've been a serial upgrader and I'm coming from a 16" i9 16GB/1TB which I bought for the screen and increased battery life, and a maxed-out 2009 Mac Pro that was upgraded over time. Based on my workflow as a paralegal, those devices were overkill. I use office apps and some light web design 95% of the time. With this new assessment of my real computer usage, when a M1 16" MBP or iMac is released, I think I finally will be able to fight the need to upgrade to the shiny new devices. Has anyone else had similar realizations?
 

badsimian

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Yes exactly the same. I work in IT and used to want honking great machines for running multiple VMs on. The irony being that by the time it was possible to get 32GB or 64GB on a Mac laptop (and yes I know laptops are not great for VM farms but I travelled a lot) - I don't actually need it anymore. Pretty much everything I do is cloud based these days. I rarely code much and these M1s are more than up to the task anyway. I've got a 16GB/512GB Air being delivered to me now but having used an 8GB in the meantime I suspect even that is overkill.
 

Fomalhaut

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To counter your thoughts, I think that my Mac purchases have been about right for my needs.

Last November, I bought a MBP16 (i9, 32GB, 1TB, 5500M 8GB) and was glad with my choice for the following reasons:
1) I found I used the 32GB RAM - I have a lot of documents, PDFs, web-pages, and source code files open at any one time - 100 browser tabs, and 50 open files is not uncommon, and this ate up my RAM.
2) I quickly used half of my 1TB storage, and have started editing 4K videos, which were easier to handle on the internal drive that constantly shuffling data around to external disks.

I've just (this morning) taken delivery of an M1 MacMini (16GB/512GB) and am glad that I went with 16GB RAM:
With about half my normal browser tab count open, and very few documents or source files open, here is my memory usage:
1607331043402.png


Sure, I have over 4GB of cached files, but already have quite a lot of swap in use, and this tells me that 16GB was definitely the right choice for me.

Perhaps I should have got at least a 1TB SSD, particularly if I try video editing on this machine, but I wanted to keep costs down in case the M1 "experiment" didn't work out. I may get a Thunderbolt 3 enclosure for an external SSD.

So far, I'm delighted with the performance of the machine!
 
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Yebubbleman

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My last two "primary" Macs were 15" MacBook Pros. The occasional video editing and gaming were the reasons for getting more than a 13" MacBook Pro (which, at the time of both purchases were still dual-core systems). Catalina has basically Thanos-snapped two thirds of Intel Mac gaming out of existence, and I found that if I'm comparing an Intel Mac to a PC, unless I use Final Cut Pro, I'm better off with Windows. So, I've started downsizing to, what will be my next and final Intel Mac, a 2020 Intel 4-port 13" MacBook Pro because I still care about virtualizing older versions of macOS (as well as the occasional Windows and Linux VM). I will very likely, in addition to that, get an M1 MacBook Air. I don't need both Macs, but I also do IT as well as Apple consulting, so familiarity with new conventions for Apple Silicon Macs is probably an inevitable need. But going forward, in the Apple Silicon era, my investment in the Mac platform is even more minimal than it was starting to be towards the end of the Intel era. (I was even toying with the idea of the Intel 13" MacBook Pro being my final Mac, but that seems unrealistic, given my affinity for helping others with Macs [even if my interest in having my own has waned].)

That's not to say that an Intel 16" MacBook Pro still isn't super tempting. But I can tell you right now, that I have zero interest in the Apple Silicon version; though I look forward geeking out about it and hearing from others who are buying it.
 

macnmac

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To counter your thoughts, I think that my Mac purchases have been about right for my needs.

Last November, I bought a MBP16 (i9, 32GB, 1TB, 5500M 8GB) and was glad with my choice for the following reasons:
1) I found I used the 32GB RAM - I have a lot of documents, PDFs, web-pages, and source code files open at any one time - 100 browser tabs, and 50 open files is not uncommon, and this ate up my RAM.
2) I quickly used half of my 1TB storage, and have started editing 4K videos, which were easier to handle on the internal drive that constantly shuffling data around to external disks.

I've just (this morning) taken delivery of an M1 MacMini (16GB/512GB) and am glad that I went with 16GB RAM:
With about half my normal browser tab count open, and very few documents or source files open, here is my memory usage:
View attachment 1688361

Sure, I have over 4GB of cached files, but already have quite a lot of swap in use, and this tells me that 16GB was definitely the right choice for me.

Perhaps I should have got at least a 1TB SSD, particularly if I try video editing on this machine, but I wanted to keep costs down in case the M1 "experiment" didn't work out. I may get a Thunderbolt 3 enclosure for an external SSD.

So far, I'm delighted with the performance of the machine!

lost it at 100 browser tabs
 

acidfast7_redux

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I must be in the minority here.

I currently have 4 tabs open.

1 playing Austrian music.
1 showing corporate gmail account.
1 MR forum
1 reading an online paper about Sputnik V

I don't know how people get to 100 tabs.

Maybe I'm too much of a linear thinker or like to close out something before moving on.
 

JohnnyGo

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I also wonder...

My theory: There are people who close tabs (and, occasionally, clear browser cache) and those who don't.

Like people that are organized vs non-organized ?

Like people that never shutdown/restart their computers ?

Like people that have 100s of storage boxes with itens from the last 3-4 decades that they may eventually use ?
 
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ECJ

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To counter your thoughts, I think that my Mac purchases have been about right for my needs.

Last November, I bought a MBP16 (i9, 32GB, 1TB, 5500M 8GB) and was glad with my choice for the following reasons:
1) I found I used the 32GB RAM - I have a lot of documents, PDFs, web-pages, and source code files open at any one time - 100 browser tabs, and 50 open files is not uncommon, and this ate up my RAM.
2) I quickly used half of my 1TB storage, and have started editing 4K videos, which were easier to handle on the internal drive that constantly shuffling data around to external disks.

I've just (this morning) taken delivery of an M1 MacMini (16GB/512GB) and am glad that I went with 16GB RAM:
With about half my normal browser tab count open, and very few documents or source files open, here is my memory usage:
View attachment 1688361

Sure, I have over 4GB of cached files, but already have quite a lot of swap in use, and this tells me that 16GB was definitely the right choice for me.

Perhaps I should have got at least a 1TB SSD, particularly if I try video editing on this machine, but I wanted to keep costs down in case the M1 "experiment" didn't work out. I may get a Thunderbolt 3 enclosure for an external SSD.

So far, I'm delighted with the performance of the machine!
Geesh. 100 tabs at one time? I have maybe 20 open across all devices. lol. Yes, you have a much better bead on your actual needs than I did.
 

Violet_Antelope

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Mark me as another who keeps hundreds of tabs open. I’m not a disorganised person; it’s part of the way I *keep* organised. Our brains all have different ways of working and I’m grateful there are options for all of us! Replacing my old 8gb MacBook with a 16gb M1 Air and I can’t wait :)
 
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KShopper

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Geesh. 100 tabs at one time? I have maybe 20 open across all devices. lol. Yes, you have a much better bead on your actual needs than I did.
Just the thought of this gives me anxiety... :)

Do you ever actually find and return to a previously opened tab, or they just pile up forever?
 
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Violet_Antelope

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Just the thought of this gives me anxiety... :)

Do you ever actually find and return to a previously opened tab, or they just pile up forever?
I know you weren’t aiming this at me but personally they’re all used. Many change every day, others wait months but the overall numbers are always about 80-200+! Same with my iPhone :D
 

Quackington

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I think I’m definitely one of those people that buys more than they need, @OP. That said, I don’t buy regularly, so I wonder if the overbuying helps me keep the machine running for longer.

I bought the higher end 12” PowerBook in 2004. Kept it going until 2011 more or less exactly 7 years later. Bought a MacBook Air i7 with 4GB ram (I think that was the max ram for this model). I’ve been using that until September this year when I bought the 13” Intel MBP i7 with 32GB ram. So I used the MBA for 9 years. I’m hoping this new MBP will last me a good while, hopefully at least 5 years if not 7+ like my previous two machines.
 

hans1972

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I must be in the minority here.

I currently have 4 tabs open.

1 playing Austrian music.
1 showing corporate gmail account.
1 MR forum
1 reading an online paper about Sputnik V

I don't know how people get to 100 tabs.

Maybe I'm too much of a linear thinker or like to close out something before moving on.

I have heard Austrian mucis uses much less RAM than other types of music...
 

Fomalhaut

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Wow - my mention of 100 browser tabs elicted quite a few responses!

lost it at 100 browser tabs

I must be in the minority here.

I currently have 4 tabs open.

1 playing Austrian music.
1 showing corporate gmail account.
1 MR forum
1 reading an online paper about Sputnik V

I don't know how people get to 100 tabs.

Maybe I'm too much of a linear thinker or like to close out something before moving on.

I wouldn't say that I regularly have 100 tabs open, but it has happened if I haven't had time to process and review them. 40-60 is more normal. Here's how I use my browser:

I have a lot of work that uses web-based tools:

i) Project documentation for a couple of active projects on Confluence Wikis - I am often reading or contributing to a dozen pages (with interdependencices) at a time. It's much more efficient to have the tabs open on the right page rather than having to find them each time in an index or by searching for them.

ii) JIRA board and tasks - I will generally have 2-3 tabs open with details of active tasks

iii) Google Docs - another document source, for status reports, client journals, tech documentation - 2-4 tabs typically

iv) Gmail (2-3 accounts)

v) Web-based documentation - mostly Amazon Web Services details on services, API references for stuff I'm working on: 5-6 tabs

vi) AWS console pages - the control pages for cloud infrastructure systems I'm working on / managing - multiple services and environments - often 10-20 tabs. Dashboards, logs, deployments - there are potentially hundreds of operational pages to monitor. I do try to tidy these up often to avoid brain overload! But I need half a dozen tabs just to see what's going on.

vii) Other collaboration tools like Miro, Asana, Draw.io

viii) General developer reference docs from Stackoverflow, Reddit, Medium etc. - normally a few tabs.

ix) Sometimes I need management tools like Xero (timesheets, expenses)

x) Some non-work pages - e.g. news and Macrumors....of course...but I do try to close these down when working to avoid distraction...failing to do this at the moment!





I also wonder...

My theory: There are people who close tabs (and, occasionally, clear browser cache) and those who don't.

How could you possibly need this and how on earth is this even manageable in terms of cognitive overhead? I just cannot understand how this would be practical.

You need to weigh up the effort of closing, finding and re-opening pages that you need to refer to several times a day, against the overhead of just having them open all the time and potentially spending a little time finding the right tab. I organize different types of tab into different windows - so Confluence docs on one window, AWS console on another, reference docs on a third etc. I try to keep to 4-5 windows maximum - which become the "books" on my desktop. The open tabs represent the "context" of a problem or task, each of which requires input from multiple data sources.

I agree that it's hard to keep track of everything that is open, and I do try to "cull" some tabs at least once a day by considering if the content is likely to be used within the the next day or so. I bookmark everything that is useful and use tags/labels to help me find it again in multiple contexts. Using the Safari "overview" feature to see a screen with thumbnails of all open tabs is really good for this, because you can just close unwanted tabs from a single view.

Like people that are organized vs non-organized ?

Like people that never shutdown/restart their computers ?

Like people that have 100s of storage boxes with itens from the last 3-4 decades that they may eventually use ?

You've obviously seen my garage....I even have boxes for the old boxes. (I only keep original boxes for items that I might conceivably sell at some point)

The trouble with "organization" is that it takes a lot of time! There is a value trade-off in my opinion - how much time will I spend organizing, vs the potential time saved by having things more organized? It comes down to the ability to find stuff. If you know where it is, even if you have a lot pages open, then you save the time spent in bookmarking, closing, reopening, scrolling to the relevant section, and reminding yourself of the content.

But, yes, it's definitely a personaility type that is not mine. Some people are deeply uncomfortable with having stuff all over the place, and usually it is no effort for them, or even a calming influence, to organize it. I actually prefer a tidy workspace, but don't want to invest the time in achieving it - because it stops me actually doing stuff....
Geesh. 100 tabs at one time? I have maybe 20 open across all devices. lol. Yes, you have a much better bead on your actual needs than I did.

Just the thought of this gives me anxiety... :)

Do you ever actually find and return to a previously opened tab, or they just pile up forever?
Yes, I try to have a daily clean-up and get rid of tabs for I know I won't need in the next day or so. Sometimes tabs do linger open all week "just-in-case"
 
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macnmac

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Wow - my mention of 100 browser tabs elicted quite a few responses!





I wouldn't say that I regularly have 100 tabs open, but it has happened if I haven't had time to process and review them. 40-60 is more normal. Here's how I use my browser:

I have a lot of work that uses web-based tools:

i) Project documentation for a couple of active projects on Confluence Wikis - I am often reading or contributing to a dozen pages (with interdependencices) at a time. It's much more efficient to have the tabs open on the right page rather than having to find them each time in an index or by searching for them.

ii) JIRA board and tasks - I will generally have 2-3 tabs open with details of active tasks

iii) Google Docs - another document source, for status reports, client journals, tech documentation - 2-4 tabs typically

iv) Gmail (2-3 accounts)

v) Web-based documentation - mostly Amazon Web Services details on services, API references for stuff I'm working on: 5-6 tabs

vi) AWS console pages - the control pages for cloud infrastructure systems I'm working on / managing - multiple services and environments - often 10-20 tabs. Dashboards, logs, deployments - there are potentially hundreds of operational pages to monitor. I do try to tidy these up often to avoid brain overload! But I need half a dozen tabs just to see what's going on.

vii) Other collaboration tools like Miro, Asana, Draw.io

viii) General developer reference docs from Stackoverflow, Reddit, Medium etc. - normally a few tabs.

ix) Sometimes I need management tools like Xero (timesheets, expenses)

x) Some non-work pages - e.g. news and Macrumors....of course...but I do try to close these down when working to avoid distraction...failing to do this at the moment!









You need to weigh up the effort of closing, finding and re-opening pages that you need to refer to several times a day, against the overhead of just having them open all the time and potentially spending a little time finding the right tab. I organize different types of tab into different windows - so Confluence docs on one window, AWS console on another, reference docs on a third etc. I try to keep to 4-5 windows maximum - which become the "books" on my desktop. The open tabs represent the "context" of a problem or task, each of which requires input from multiple data sources.

I agree that it's hard to keep track of everything that is open, and I do try to "cull" some tabs at least once a day by considering if the content is likely to be used within the the next day or so. I bookmark everything that is useful and use tags/labels to help me find it again in multiple contexts. Using the Safari "overview" feature to see a screen with thumbnails of all open tabs is really good for this, because you can just close unwanted tabs from a single view.



You've obviously seen my garage....I even have boxes for the old boxes. (I only keep original boxes for items that I might conceivably sell at some point)

The trouble with "organization" is that it takes a lot of time! There is a value trade-off in my opinion - how much time will I spend organizing, vs the potential time saved by having things more organized? It comes down to the ability to find stuff. If you know where it is, even if you have a lot pages open, then you save the time spent in bookmarking, closing, reopening, scrolling to the relevant section, and reminding yourself of the content.

But, yes, it's definitely a personaility type that is not mine. Some people are deeply uncomfortable with having stuff all over the place, and usually it is no effort for them, or even a calming influence, to organize it. I actually prefer a tidy workspace, but don't want to invest the time in achieving it - because it stops me actually doing stuff....



Yes, I try to have a daily clean-up and get rid of tabs for I know I won't need in the next day or so. Sometimes tabs do linger open all week "just-in-case"

not judging you or calling you out or anything, i just find that insane lol
 
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MarkAtl

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This is the first “base” MBP I’ve bought since the 2012 model (which I then upgraded myself). So far so good.
 

Fomalhaut

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not judging you or calling you out or anything, i just find that insane lol
No offence taken!

I think it would be hard to do my job (IT development & design, cloud infrastructure management) without *a lot* of reading and research, and my "approach" is to get lots of data sources in order the understand the context of a problem.

The job also involves team working, task management and documentation, so I have to work with multiple systems every day on lots of different sub-tasks. It all leads to a lot of data, and if I had to find, open, search, read & close every time I needed some information, it would take longer (at least I think so!)

I'm actually not a great multi-tasker, so this is quite a mental overhead, and I love the idea of being able to focus on just one task, in one window :) I guess I'm in the wrong job for that!
 

Violet_Antelope

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Nov 14, 2020
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You make such a good point regarding ‘cognitive overhead’ - I find it much less taxing to know that when I open my laptop everything I need is open there for me. I don’t need to remember it all because it’s right where I need it right away. I too have things on different screens - love the idea of thinking of them like books! - and I know where everything is almost by muscle memory now :D
 
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