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adamlbiscuit

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I have an 8GB mini and while the memory pressure goes into yellow occasionally I don't think I've ever seen it go red like that. Maybe once as I did get the 'your computer has run out of application memory' error, but this was before Monterey and only happened one time.

Here is how mine looks today. I'm running Mail, Messages, Music, Calendar and Chrome with about ten tabs (one being Twitch which is currently playing, and another which is YouTube that's paused).

Everyone's system is different especially with regards to what software it's running and how many background processes it's got going, so I don't think it's going to be a fair comparison by any means - I just wanted to dispel the rumour that 8 GB is unuseable in 2022. Fair enough there's a bit of swap but there wasn't any slowdown associated with it from what I can tell.

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I found issues with yellow memory pressure initially came from Twitch and YouTube taking significant chunks of RAM when I used to use Safari. Since switching to Chrome, Twitch and YouTube no longer have this issue and memory pressure is in green almost always.

It just goes to show that it's not always about the browser, it's about the websites and how optimised they are for your chosen browser. Unfortunately, although I prefer Safari and still have it as my default, the internet is generally built with Chrome or Chrome-based browsers being a priority and in some cases it really shows.

In terms of my usage more generally, I use my Mac mini for web browsing, watching video, light graphic design in Pixelmator Pro and Affinity Photo/Designer, photo editing, and light gaming (as in, Sims 4 and not much else - which I do run on Ultra settings FWIW).

Some tips from an 8GB base Mac mini user:

  • Frequently relaunch your web browser - as time goes on and tabs start loading more and more content as you browse, the processes start to get really bloaded. A relaunch should refresh this.
  • Keep an eye on the windowserver process. I had the windowserver once taking about 12 GB of memory which was just... wow. Sometimes this process misbehaves or gets out of hand, and the only way to kick it back into shape is by logging out and logging back in, or restarting. If you quit the process from Activity Monitor, IIRC the Mac will crash and boot you back to the login screen, as it's the process that draws all of the interface elements you see on screen.
  • Finally and I know it's a tale as old as time, but quit what you're not using. If you had a 16 GB RAM mini or an M1 Pro or M1 Max with 32 GB or more, you won't need to worry about this so much. But because we cheaped out on the RAM, we have to do a little bit more babysitting here and there and that just comes with the territory. If you had a Windows PC with 8 GB RAM or an Intel Mac with 8 GB RAM you'd have to do the same there on occasion.
  • Don't believe those who say 8 GB RAM on Apple Silicon is as good as 16 GB on intel (I remember a lot of tech youtubers saying this when the M1 first came out and I admit I did fall for it). It's faster, of course, owing to it's unified architecture - but 8 GB is still 8 GB at the end of the day.
If I were to buy again, I'd get the 16 GB RAM. But the 8 GB RAM hasn't caused me as many issues as to make me regret buying it or consider trading it in. It's just something I'll bear in mind for my next purchase. Maybe the fact the Mac mini still runs rings around my intel MBA with 16 GB RAM softened the blow a little bit for me. Even if it can have more things open at once, the Mac mini just gets individual tasks done so much better in my experience.
 
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Fravin

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Definitely. Although as per my post I can take that 8GB RAM far, and the Mac mini is perfectly useable, if you don't like babysitting your computers mem usage 16 GB RAM at least is what you want. Even if you don't use it all at least it's more roomy.

Those guys with 64Gb of RAM in Mac Studio sub-forum are complainning about RAM pressure as you are.

We are still looking to an ARM based system as we did with x86 ones. But they are totally different systems. The way each one addresses memory is different.

The access to disk swapping is different too. There's no "bus" on ARM archtecture. It's everything connected directly to the CPU, so we must look to it with a new perspective.
 

TracerAnalog

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Nov 7, 2012
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The M1 mini drives me absolutely crazy. I have had it since launch and its progressively gotten slower and more sluggish.

This was earlier today. Only apps open were Spotify (not playing), Preview (3 pdfs) and Chrome (10-15 tabs). Pretty horrible experience.

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Well, there’s your problem: Chrome…
 
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wonderings

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Apple should have stopped offering 8 gigs years ago. 16 gigs of RAM should have become the new standard especially considering the price point Apple computers are at. A shame, the older Mac Mini's could be upgraded to a point with RAM and a new hard drive. I wonder if there is some way of using an external source for RAM. Guessing not or someone would be selling it already.
 
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Random_Matt

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Chrome has always been horrible for memory. You can change some chrome performance settings though.
 

eilavid

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Oct 25, 2021
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ya i know that. but just with some pdfs browser-tabs etc u cannot fill the video memory usage
right now i only have safari, finder, messages, mail, spotify and activity manager open. gpu memory usage is 12% of my 16 GB m1 chip. that's roughly 1,92 GB. that would leave the 8GB m1 with only 6 GB of actual ram. it adds up quick
 

evertjr

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Oct 24, 2016
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stop using the worst browser in existence and you'll see the true performance. I switched to Opera GX for my web dev work and its amazing, I can set RAM usage limit and it works great. The best second choice is Microsoft Edge, followed by Brave. There's no reason for a Mac user to use Google Chrome.
 

usagora

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the truth is that 8GB of UNIFIED memory is useless in 2022

Funny - I can have Firefox, Chrome (anywhere from 5-10 tabs on average including video streaming), Visual Studio Code, Gimp, Photoshop, PowerPoint, Excel, etc. all open at the same time on my M1 Mini or MBA (both 8GB unified memory) and everything runs just fine. Most definitely not "useless".
 
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okyuh

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Jan 15, 2020
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I wonder if there is currently some bug regarding memory in macOS, or if activity monitor's yellow warning is an exaggeration. Remember when Apple changed what 3/4/5 bars of cell signal meant in order to make users feel better? And when they removed the battery life estimate from the menu bar to make users feel better? Perhaps this is another case of that.

Regardless, I'm currently having more issues with memory pressure on a 16 GB M1 Pro than I ever did on my 2017 MacBook Pro with 16GB. Do I have safari tabs open? Yes, four right now and it's still yellow. However, my old laptop never went yellow unless I was running analysis on multiple gigs of data in Python. It's a 2500 dollar laptop and a yellow bar makes me think it's just barely meeting my needs. I sure didn't know that multitasking was now a pro feature!
 
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Sopel

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Funny - I can have Firefox, Chrome (anywhere from 5-10 tabs on average including video streaming), Visual Studio Code, Gimp, Photoshop, PowerPoint, Excel, etc. all open at the same time on my M1 Mini or MBA (both 8GB unified memory) and everything runs just fine. Most definitely not "useless".
ok, what's the ram usage. You're likely cripping your OS and trashing your ssd
 

Ethosik

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Oct 21, 2009
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The M1 mini drives me absolutely crazy. I have had it since launch and its progressively gotten slower and more sluggish.

This was earlier today. Only apps open were Spotify (not playing), Preview (3 pdfs) and Chrome (10-15 tabs). Pretty horrible experience.

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This isn't the 1990s anymore. Saying you have 10-15 browser tabs is saying you do video editing. We need more context. What kind of tabs? Are they Javascript heavy? Do they have an insane amount of ads? I can have 500 tabs of a "Hello World HTML demo" site, but if I try to have 500 YouTube tabs all playing video at the same time, even my 128GB RAM, i9 Windows computer will have a fit.
 
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Ethosik

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I'm so surprised that the decades old mantra is ignored nowadays: Get as much RAM as possible. 16GB is the minimum for everybody.
Not really the best advice IMO. I took that advice and got 128GB of RAM on my 2019 i9 iMac and I just do 1080p video editing. It was not faster than my 2010 Mac Pro with 8GB of RAM.
 

usagora

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ok, what's the ram usage. You're likely cripping your OS and trashing your ssd

I have no idea what the ram usage is. All I care about is that it works. I did the same thing with my 4GB RAM 2013 MBA (of course, that was an Intel) and it was running like new up to the day I sold it just last year (and new owners are also happy with it). Not sure what else to tell you. It works just fine for me. I guess I'll continue to "cripple" my OS (whatever that means) and "trash" my SSD :rolleyes:
 

MacCheetah3

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I find Safari just as much of a memory hog as Chrome on mine :( Fortunately I have the 16GB MBA, but awesome machine as it is, I'm finding I need more RAM, which is unfortunate since I won't be able to afford to replace it for years, if at all
This isn't the 1990s anymore. Saying you have 10-15 browser tabs is saying you do video editing. We need more context. What kind of tabs? Are they Javascript heavy? Do they have an insane amount of ads? I can have 500 tabs of a "Hello World HTML demo" site, but if I try to have 500 YouTube tabs all playing video at the same time, even my 128GB RAM, i9 Windows computer will have a fit.
Yep. Web browsing nowadays is far from a lightweight task. Most Websites have far more going on than the average app (which is very annoying and disgusting).

I had the very same problems with the 8GB mini and had to replace it with a 16GB model. 8GB was just too little for me.
Yeah… I cannot recommend 8GB nowadays. It is doable for casual or very light users but very tight otherwise. My typical workload hovers ~10GB of RAM usage.

these days i am restarting chrome once a week or so. is there an easy way to identify a stuck process?
Am I understanding this correctly... Your Chrome uptime (as in between quitting/restarting) is a week? Including those 10-15 tabs running that entire time? IF so, that very well could be exacerbating the slowness.
 

Pilot Jones

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There are also a few Chrome Extensions themselves that are resource hogs. You might want to do some testing by keeping the same number of tabs open, but turning on only one extension at a time to see what happens.

I had a similar issue to you and it turns out that just 1 single extension (in my case it was Dark Reader) was bringing my entire browser and in turn, my whole system down.
 

AAPLGeek

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Nov 12, 2009
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Apple should have stopped offering 8 gigs years ago. 16 gigs of RAM should have become the new standard especially considering the price point Apple computers are at. A shame, the older Mac Mini's could be upgraded to a point with RAM and a new hard drive. I wonder if there is some way of using an external source for RAM. Guessing not or someone would be selling it already.

Apple offers 8GB because that 8-16GB BTO is probably the most common upgrade. I wouldn't be surprised if it nets them more $$$ than HomePod and AppleTV combined.

Basically, that revenue stream is Tim Cook's wet dream and he's gonna milk it for as long as possible.

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