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I'm equally surprised that you think this forum knows better than Apple's market research. If there was a profitable market for such device from Apple, don't you think they would have continued to pursue it?
They most certainly will. It isn't a top priority right now as it isn't a major seller like the MBP & MBA; and I don't think with all the COVID issues they can manufacture/support another product at the moment. But it will come, I believe. I don't think they can fit a Magic Keyboard into the old chassis of the MB 12", so I'm presuming it will have to be a full redesign. It will be very similar in size and weight, but unfortunately it's a waiting game. Fortunately my 2017 MB 12" is holding up very well. It's kinda crazy though to think there hasn't been an upgrade to the MB 12" in six years now. From a product management perspective, this is unreasonable and lame. But with the keyboard issues and transition to Apple Silicon I think this has been caught up in too much change and they've had to focus on the major product lines. At least that's the explanation I feed myself. LOL! Its interesting. I'm also an iPhone Mini guy....so we'll see if they release something smaller with the iPhone 15 as well; however, my iPhone 12 mini works great and I'm kinda an upgrader on the 5 year cycle guy; so patience is my virtue.
 
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As it's fanless, they should completely seal it up and fill it with helium. Not only would that keep dust out, but they could balance it so it just hovers above the desk.

I'll email Tim Cook.

Actually… How much more would the production costs then be?
 
I have traveled a lot with my Microsoft Surface Laptop. The weight on that device is 2.8 pounds. The weight on the MBA M2 is 2.7 pounds. Both machines are about equivalent in capabilities, look about the same, size about the same. Getting a machine lighter than 2.5 to 3.0 pounds is not easy. Battery life is important and batteries are heavy. More life requires a larger battery which requires more weight.

Coming from luggables at 28 pounds, to laptops of 10 pounds, to laptops of 5 pounds, to the current crop of laptops of less than three pounds, I appreciate the reduction in weight. I don't feel the MBA is too heavy based on comparisons to other machines of comparable capabilities.

There is probably more weight in my bag, which includes charger, cables, mouse, headphones, etc. than the weight of the actual laptop. And overall to my entire carry-on the laptop is a small portion.

Being "too heavy" is relative and varies based on experience.
 
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I'm suprised you're saying this especially in a forum where tons of people have said they would buy a ~12" MacBook again. I travel all the time so I only need this for web/email. The form factor around two pounds is awesome for travel; and yes, it's a huge difference than the 2.7 lbs MBA. There is no "most people". Not everybody needs a laptop for graphic design/film editing/photoshop. We are all different and have different needs. Executives love small laptops for email/web, so do regular people. Its a big world.

Has anyone ever been able to travel with an Apple TV? Just asking...
 
As it's fanless, they should completely seal it up and fill it with helium. Not only would that keep dust out, but they could balance it so it just hovers above the desk.

I'll email Tim Cook.

I innocently suggested that decades ago to help lower shipping costs. Turns out the gas is/was more expensive than the cost the idea sought to lower. Hydrogen would be interesting. Not to mention lethal.

Fun fact: Helium is lighter then oxygen so your voice is more like a cartoon character. Argon is heavier than oxygen, so your voice would be lower, right? Turns out it's so heavy that most people that try it pass out because it's that much heavier that breathing it out is too hard. In junior high, a science room had a tank of argon. A couple of kids snuck in to try huffing argon, and they passed out and were a nice shade of blue by the time the teacher returned to the room. He wasn't going to go back, actually, and just happened to decide to return. Seeing the two blue tinted idiots, he quickly threw them to the floor and the argon flowed out of their lungs like water. they were quickly revived. Physics is a bitch... The parents threatened the school over the 'rough treatment' by the teacher. Yeah, and if he hadn't gone back to the room, they would have been dead. :rolleyes:
 
Too heavy for what? Granted, it's more than a 10th of an SX64, but not that much more.
I couldn't disagree more strongly. I have the 13" M2 MacBook Air and it is very light. I don't know how light people need a laptop to be. I would gladly sacrifice weight for battery life.
 
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I couldn't disagree more strongly. I have the 13" M2 MacBook Air and it is very light. I don't know how light people need a laptop to be. I would gladly sacrifice weight for battery life.

Coming from an old time HP EliteBook, my 15" MBP was a feather! Good grief, people complaining about an 'Air' being too heavy? Well, some perspective here... Lugging that EliteBook around, with charger, etc was a chore. (Really reaching to the past: Compaq's 'portable' PC. Portable in the same way a boat anchor is)

Maybe use an iPad Pro instead?
 
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Coming from an old time HP EliteBook, my 15" MBP was a feather! Good grief, people complaining about an 'Air' being too heavy? Well, some perspective here... Lugging that EliteBook around, with charger, etc was a chore. (Really reaching to the past: Compaq's 'portable' PC. Portable in the same way a boat anchor is)

Maybe use an iPad Pro instead?
is the objective here to make a comparison to something heavier? If so lets use an Abrams tank.....
 
I'm mean let's face it, these aren't exactly "Air" lightness. Over time they will reduce the weight and thickness, its all part of the plan, as the chips on the 3nm manufacturing process will be more and more efficient so they'll be able to reduce the weight while keeping the same battery uptime. Welcome to technology:)
 
Exactly; however, I think this may be a bit on purpose. They release the heavy model and wow it with the battery life, but the next version with the M3 chip will be more efficient so they'll reduce the battery size and make it a tad thinner, a tad lighter, and thats called innovation. Which is fine. But I'm still on my 2017 12" MacBook and that won't change until it has to or I can buy a 2 lb notebook.
my 2016 12" macbook died, and (to be honest) the M2 air i replaced it with kills it (except, of course, for size & weight). am happy as can be...at least if/when a 12" silicon macbook happens...
 
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Have not read all 160 posts...but it's funny...people (not in reference to OP) ask Apple to make something thinner, lighter or more ports. Then they say it's too heavy, too hot, too loud. You can't have everyone be happy unfortunately!
 
I honestly cannot tell the difference in weight between my 13" Intel (10nm with 4 TB ports) MacBook Pro and my M2 MacBook Air. The only way to know I have a M2 MacBook Air in my hand is because it is thinner.

Maybe the MacBook Air should have been made out of carbon fibre to reduce the weight so that the weight difference is more easily noticeable.
I agree, I hate its weight. I had to replace my much moved MacBook but use the M2 Air as a desktop.
 
is the objective here to make a comparison to something heavier? If so lets use an Abrams tank.....

Non sequitur...

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Have not read all 160 posts...but it's funny...people (not in reference to OP) ask Apple to make something thinner, lighter or more ports. Then they say it's too heavy, too hot, too loud. You can't have everyone be happy unfortunately!
There is a reason there are over 100 unique models of Windows laptops from over 10 different brands: people have different needs and people buy them. They still suck because they are Windows machines, but the fact remains there are over one hundred different models. Over time, Apple will expand its lineup of laptop models now that they are deep into Apple Silicon chip production. Currently, they only have basically four different models. Thats not much at all, and that's OK for now. But demand is there for a smaller laptop and a larger MBA, and so if they go from four models to eight, there actually will be a lot more satisfied (happy) people with laptops that people actually want and aren't forced to buy because there aren't any other options. Options are great and bring more happiness. Right now I'm on a 12" MacBook and I love it, but if this thing dies and I have to buy a MBA, I will but won't be happy about it.
 
20 hours is only the battery life under some very light conditions that are not really typical of use. Anyone using an Air knows that the workable life is much short but still long enough to be useful without stress. I would not want to give up any of that for some minor reduction in weight on a device that is already quite light.
Yes, hence targeting a marketable 12 hours instead of 8.
 
I couldn't disagree more strongly. I have the 13" M2 MacBook Air and it is very light. I don't know how light people need a laptop to be. I would gladly sacrifice weight for battery life.
So you disagree with the people calling the MBA too heavy, and agree with me calling it not too heavy, ok.
 
It sounds like some folks simply want their MBA to weigh the same as their iPhone.

If folks can manage carrying around a 32-oz reusable water bottle wherever they go, then a MBA shouldn't be a burden.
 
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i removed all the lizzo songs & heavy metal from my air (oh, and also took out the battery) and it's definitely lighter. c'mon, apple, you could do this for us 🙄
 
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People said the same thing about the then 4-5 lb. MacBooks when the Air first came out.
It weighs 2.75 pounds. Unless OP is a 90 year old woman with a push walker with tennis ball feet, this is silly. It's actually a little lighter than the previous model.
 
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Isn't the battery the single heaviest component? If people lived with 10 hours (like they did for years with Intel chips) rather than 18 hours (with new M series chips), Apple might be able to significantly reduce the weight. Personally, I wouldn't go for it. I love the long battery life of my M2 MBA. But, apparently weight is really important to some people.....so.....trade-offs.

I don't think you are going to shave much weight from the chassis. Apple could try, but it will probably add substantially to the price, which is antithetical to the MBA target market. They already eliminated the fan, so nothing to save there. It's going to be tough to noticeably reduce the weight without giving up something; $, battery, etc...
 
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Isn't the battery the single heaviest component? If people lived with 10 hours (like they did for years with Intel chips) rather than 18 hours (with new M series chips), Apple might be able to significantly reduce the weight. Personally, I wouldn't go for it. I love the long battery life of my M2 MBA. But, apparently weight is really important to some people.....so.....trade-offs.

I don't think you are going to shave much weight from the chassis. Apple could try, but it will probably add substantially to the price, which is antithetical to the MBA target market. They already eliminated the fan, so nothing to save there. It's going to be tough to noticeably reduce the weight without giving up something; $, battery, etc...
I’d be ok with about 2 hours less. I usually end the day with. About 40%-50% remaining on my M2 MBA. Ending the day at 20%-30% would be fine. Of course it depends on how much it reduces the weight. 2.6 lbs (1.18 kg) nah but 2.2 lbs (1 kg) then I’m in.
 
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