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wyrdness

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No. Some people have legit sources and aren’t making it up, like Gurman and Kuo. Conflating all rumors and speculation with real reporters is silly.
Kuo is definitely guessing too. What happened to the mini-LED 14" Macbook Pro that he said was launching in 2020? Or the 27" iMac Pro that he claimed was coming out in Q4 2020?

Gurman seems to be pretty good with phone predictions, but most of his Mac predictions haven't actually happened yet.

Neither predicted the M1 Mac Mini.
 
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ader42

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Gurman also tends to hedge his bets via vagueness.

I would guess/expect all the current intel macs to get replaced by AS ones but some may simply get removed from the product line with no AS replacement. This time next year we will likely have no Intel Mac purchasing options.

Apple could call their next SOC anything and we might only get the “Jade C-Chop” with 16 gpu cores in the upcoming MacBook Pros.

The “Jade C-Die” with 32 gpu cores might be left purely for a larger iMac given the rumoured 6k display that will need a good amount of GPU cores.

We might not get a new Mac Mini until an M2 version is released - but M2 is also just a marketing name.

We have unknown unknowns...
 

Jorbanead

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That's because most of these so-called 'leaks' are people just guessing or making things up. If they'd had real inside information, then they should known about the M1 mini in advance.
Leakers don’t get a spreadsheet of everything Apple is going to announce, and a Mac mini doesn’t typically spark interest for most people. If, say, someone got an M1 leak from the final assembly factory, the leaker may not even know about the Mac mini as their assembly line is just notebooks. Apple is very compartmentalized, so people working even on the same product don’t always know what the other is doing.

Like the chip team doesn’t know what products their chips are going into, but they do know chip specs. So that’s why Gurman has reported the specs of the M1X but is not certain on what products will get the M1X.

Many of the more prominent leakers have a good enough track record at this point to prove they do have insider information. For example, Prosser created mock-ups of airtags and airpods max months in advanced and they were almost identical to the actual product.

Kuo is definitely guessing too. What happened to the mini-LED 14" Macbook Pro that he said was launching in 2020? Or the 27" iMac Pro that he claimed was coming out in Q4 2020?

Gurman seems to be pretty good with phone predictions, but most of his Mac predictions haven't actually happened yet.

Neither predicted the M1 Mac Mini.

Things change all the time. Kuo is a supply chain analyst so while he has a decent record, his information is not always the most current. He gets his info sometimes years in advanced which means things will change sometimes (especially if there is a worldwide pandemic and supply chain issues). Apple has been know to make last minute changes to software, or delay release of a product. So even if a leaker gets something wrong, it may have been accurate at the time of the leak.

Also for anyone interested, appletrack.com has a decent (semi biased) track record of all the major leakers. Of course take it with a grain of salt.
 
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thingstoponder

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Kuo is definitely guessing too. What happened to the mini-LED 14" Macbook Pro that he said was launching in 2020? Or the 27" iMac Pro that he claimed was coming out in Q4 2020?

Neither predicted the M1 Mac Mini.
Products actually do get delayed and canceled you know, right?

Both of those products were MiniLED. It’s pretty obvious there has been a huge delay on everything MiniLED.

If he was just guessing then he has world class luck. It’s pretty obvious to tell who is guessing. These Twitter “leakers” pop up every once in a while and tell people everything they want to hear and then they end up being wrong on everything. Guessing is extremely hard.

Gurman seems to be pretty good with phone predictions, but most of his Mac predictions haven't actually happened yet.

Depends what rumors you’re talking about, because most of the Mac “predictions” have turned out to be true. You say this like he’s being doing it for 6 months. Did you forget he reported on every step of the Apple Silicon transition before it happened?

Neither predicted the M1 Mac Mini.

And?
 

spiderman0616

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Products actually do get delayed and canceled you know, right?

Both of those products were MiniLED. It’s pretty obvious there has been a huge delay on everything MiniLED.

If he was just guessing then he has world class luck. It’s pretty obvious to tell who is guessing. These Twitter “leakers” pop up every once in a while and tell people everything they want to hear and then they end up being wrong on everything. Guessing is extremely hard.



Depends what rumors you’re talking about, because most of the Mac “predictions” have turned out to be true. You say this like he’s being doing it for 6 months. Did you forget he reported on every step of the Apple Silicon transition before it happened?



And?
I will never understand all the blind defense of Mark Gurman. Dude is a turd.
 
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thingstoponder

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Gurman also tends to hedge his bets via vagueness.

I would guess/expect all the current intel macs to get replaced by AS ones but some may simply get removed from the product line with no AS replacement. This time next year we will likely have no Intel Mac purchasing options.

Apple could call their next SOC anything and we might only get the “Jade C-Chop” with 16 gpu cores in the upcoming MacBook Pros.

The “Jade C-Die” with 32 gpu cores might be left purely for a larger iMac given the rumoured 6k display that will need a good amount of GPU cores.

We might not get a new Mac Mini until an M2 version is released - but M2 is also just a marketing name.

We have unknown unknowns...
There’s never been a rumored 6k iMac. Its speculation.

I think the 32 core version will be necessary for the 16” to surpass the existing high end GPU option. And I don’t see them making a 32 core chip just for the iMac. The 16” can definitely fit a chip of that scale.

I’m predicting 16 core GPU for 14” and 32 core GPU for 16”. Higher end Mac Mini and iMac get both as options.
 

satchmo

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I’ll take this from a different perspective. The Mac mini is a low priority, low volume, low margin product.

Now, it has been that in the past decade sometimes dependent on Intel chips and timetable.

Unless margins have changed drastically using in-house M1 chips, I don’t see a whole lot of resources spent on updating the Mac mini any sooner than 18 months between models.
 

dandeco

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Whatever it's going to be called, a higher-end Mac Mini with their upcoming pro-level Apple Silicon chip will definitely be my next Mac desktop! I plan to configure it with 32 GB of RAM (if such an option exists, and it probably will) and a 1 TB SSD, and get a nice OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock to use with it (my Falwedi USB-C hub I use with my MacBook Air I largely got for its' portability). Or if Apple does indeed come out with the rumored Mac Pro Cube, I'll get that instead. I've been loving the speed and horsepower of my M1 MacBook Air that I can't imagine what it'll be like with such a desktop with a pro-level Apple Silicon chip will be like!
 

jdb8167

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Unless margins have changed drastically using in-house M1 chips, I don’t see a whole lot of resources spent on updating the Mac mini any sooner than 18 months between models.
That would make the Intel Mac mini one of the last Intel Macs—probably alongside the Mac Pro. That doesn’t sound hard to believe to me but I think it is more likely the higher end mini is updated late this year or spring 2022.

Edit: Actually April 2022 would be 18 months. So more likely than I originally thought.
 

satchmo

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That would make the Intel Mac mini one of the last Intel Macs—probably alongside the Mac Pro. That doesn’t sound hard to believe to me but I think it is more likely the higher end mini is updated late this year or spring 2022.

Edit: Actually April 2022 would be 18 months. So more likely than I originally thought.

Apple has let the Mac mini languish for even longer than 18 months.
It wouldn’t surprise me that there were no high end Mac mini.

Just the current M1 and an Intel Mac mini they keep on the table for those who need/want to run Windows natively via Bootcamp.
I hope I’m wrong though.
 

jdb8167

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Apple has let the Mac mini languish for even longer than 18 months.
It wouldn’t surprise me that there were no high end Mac mini.

Just the current M1 and an Intel Mac mini they keep on the table for those who need/want to run Windows natively via Bootcamp.
I hope I’m wrong though.
I’m pretty sure Apple is going to discontinue all Intel Macs by the November 2022 2-year deadline they self-imposed. It is possible that they create a new mid-range desktop to replace the higher end mini.
 

jdb8167

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Where is November 2022 coming from? They released the first Mac mini with M1 in November 2020, but they announced the two year transition in June 2020.
I’m generously giving them 2 years from the release of the first Apple silicon Macs.
 

CWallace

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Apple has let the Mac mini languish for even longer than 18 months.

The Intel Mac mini uses specialized 65w CPUs and Intel releases those every other CPU generation, so of that 18 month-plus delay, 12 is waiting for a new CPU from Intel and then Apple tacks on another 6 before they decide to start using it.
 

Jorbanead

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Just the current M1 and an Intel Mac mini they keep on the table for those who need/want to run Windows natively via Bootcamp.
I hope I’m wrong though.
The current Intel mini uses a discontinued processor. Low chances that it stays on their website after this year. Either it’s going away or getting replaced. My bet is it will get replaced by some sort of M1X processor that also goes into the high-end MacBook Pro.
Where is November 2022 coming from? They released the first Mac mini with M1 in November 2020, but they announced the two year transition in June 2020.
We don’t know when the 2-year clock starts. Also in the November keynote they changed it to “several years” which could still be 2 but is a bit more vague. My guess is their timeline got a bit messed up with the shortages
 

jdb8167

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The current Intel mini uses a discontinued processor. Low chances that it stays on their website after this year. Either it’s going away or getting replaced. My bet is it will get replaced by some sort of M1X processor that also goes into the high-end MacBook Pro.

We don’t know when the 2-year clock starts. Also in the November keynote they changed it to “several years” which could still be 2 but is a bit more vague. My guess is their timeline got a bit messed up with the shortages
The last paragraph on this PDF from Apple still says a 2-year transiition and from my reading, it implies that the clock started with the release of the M1 Macs. YMMV.

Start of a Two-Year Transition for the Mac
M1 powers the new MacBook Air, 13-inch MacBook Pro, Mac mini, and 24-inch iMac. They join the rest of the Mac product line to form the strongest Mac lineup ever. This is the beginning of a transition to a new family of chips designed specifically for the Mac. The transition to Apple silicon will take about two years to complete and these systems are an amazing first step.
 
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