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You greatly underestimate the ever increasing and currently much higher demand for mobile computers and devices at large (iPhones, iPads, MacBooks).

-Without a built-in battery and display, the average consumer isn’t touching a computer these days, Mac or otherwise.

Yes, M4 mini is the best value/$, sure. But it’s not a laptop replacement to any extent, unless you don’t need a laptop at all, and therefore won’t make a dent in MacBook sales.

You get the best of Mac mini and MacBook Air in a MacBook Pro and that’s what most would want. Not the best value/$, but the most use cases.

Apple knows what they’re doing.

And for what the average person actually does on their Mac, there’s not much gained from or any immediate need to upgrade to any newer 16GB RAM Mac, M4 or otherwise.

The media truly has everyone hyping these new Macs like Apple is a new company and MacOS launched yesterday.

M4 is an amazing value. But stop acting like it’s a new product or worth getting for all Intel and Apple Silicon Mac owners.

It’s much more powerful and greater value. But it’s not an entirely new experience, not at all.
its an entirely new experience for me. As someone who always worked on maxed out intel iMacs and currently a Mac studio M2 Max at work I'm blown away by how powerful and useful this mini m4 is. I did not feel this way about the mini m2 I used previously at home. it would choke doing raw photo editing where the m4 cuts through them like butter
 
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I mostly agree other then the m4 macbooks

I'm typing on a 16" m4 pro right now only because I need to have a laptop

if not I would have maxed out a mini cpu and ram wise and still had money to spare

if you need a laptop you need a laptop, that's why they can charge such a premium for them
 
I don’t know if you’ve ever looked at the used Mac market, but people seemingly don’t care about the actual value dropping, prices for used Macs are still really high and I don’t see people be like “Oh Apple released this new thing now my old thing has to be cheaper” when there are still many intel macs priced well above 1k just because they don’t care about loosing on money just cause there is something new out.
They should be more affordable, but I won’t bet on it.
Part of this is due to Apple's greed when it comes to base specs. We've had 8gb ram for over a decade, the 16gb base ram is going to upend the mac mini resale value with unupgradable memory, particularly the Apple Silicon models. Why would you buy a base M1/M2 mini at this point unless it was heavily discounted well below $300?
 
Part of this is due to Apple's greed when it comes to base specs. We've had 8gb ram for over a decade, the 16gb base ram is going to upend the mac mini resale value with unupgradable memory, particularly the Apple Silicon models. Why would you buy a base M1/M2 mini at this point unless it was heavily discounted well below $300?
Agreed, we're going to see some really cheap used M1/M2 minis now. The bump to 16 GB is a game changer for this model and the first good value base model Apple has put out since 2012. We even got a redesign on top of that.

Laptops are a different matter though. The Mac mini doesn't compete with them a whole lot simply because most people aren't okay with a desktop computer, and if you are then you already know you are.
 
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Mac mini won’t replace my MacBook Pro, but base mini is very good value. I am considering to run it as file server/utility machine for some of my dev tools.
 
Agreed, we're going to see some really cheap used M1/M2 minis now. The bump to 16 GB is a game changer for this model and the first good value base model Apple has put out since 2012. We even got a redesign on top of that.

Laptops are a different matter though. The Mac mini doesn't compete with them a whole lot simply because most people aren't okay with a desktop computer, and if you are then you already know you are.
I'm honestly shocked how good the base M4 mini is. Due to Apple's exorbitant storage upgrade prices, I actually believe this Mini will lower the ASP (avg sale price) for the mini line by reducing the amount of BTO orders (I usually customize my macs). Why would I drop $400 to get just an extra 768gb of SSD, when I can get a TB4 NVME enclosure and put a 4TB SSD in it for almost half price?
 
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I'm honestly shocked how good the M4 mini is. Due to Apple's exorbitant storage upgrade prices, I actually believe this Mini will lower the ASP (avg sale price) for the mini line. Why would I drop $400 to get just an extra 768gb of SSD, when I can get a TB4 NVME enclosure and put a 4TB SSD in it for almost half price?
It didn’t need a mini, I have a multi slot 16 TB storage which can be expanded to 32 TB. I never pay more than a 1 TB for storage. It’s cheaper to build once and use external storage.
 
I'm honestly shocked how good the M4 mini is. Due to Apple's exorbitant storage upgrade prices, I actually believe this Mini will lower the ASP (avg sale price) for the mini line. Why would I drop $400 to get just an extra 768gb of SSD, when I can get a TB4 NVME enclosure and put a 4TB SSD in it for almost half price?
This takes me back to the 2012 Mac mini when things like RAM and storage could be upgraded and that's what made it a good value. Although the 16 GB is still soldered it should be roughly equivalent to having 8 GB in 2012-2013, which was enough for everyday computing tasks for some time afterward. But the advances in machine learning make this somewhat less certain and predictable than it otherwise would be.
 
At just $499 with student discount , the Mac mini m4 base is truly a beast that is almost equivalent to a m2 pro or M1 Max (excluding the GPUS) at this pricing it is truly stupid to upgrade the ram or storage or even move to m4 pro in my opinion .

Let’s bid farewell to second hand market for the price of m1 and m2 Mac minis, I reckon their selling price should be < 50% of the m4 mini 🤣

As well as 8gb MacBook Air m1,m2,m3s, the second hand price definitely took a great hit.

Well, Mac mini m4 is truly the best device in the world at least for now
Just sold my m2 base mini for 400 CHF, did not take too long to go, less than a week.
 
What is the best value for a 5K display on the market? I'm looking to replace my aging iMac 27".
 
What is the best value for a 5K display on the market? I'm looking to replace my aging iMac 27".
That's the conundrum. Since there's no mass market case for a 5K display other than Mac users, the pickings are slim and dated. I almost got a studio display for $1299 shipped on Prime Day, but the 60hz just kills it for me. I've gotten used to my fast OLEDs and promotion on my iOS devices that I can't get myself to spend over $1000 for a 60hz display.
 
Apple enables you to download big external apps to an external drive with the latest macOS, and you can use aliases for data folders, so there goes the need for a bigger internal drive, on desktops at least. You just need it for booting at this point.
Also base RAM is fine, the day you need more than 16GB you can just resell the Mini and enjoy an upgrade of the whole system.
 
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Part of this is due to Apple's greed when it comes to base specs. We've had 8gb ram for over a decade, the 16gb base ram is going to upend the mac mini resale value with unupgradable memory, particularly the Apple Silicon models. Why would you buy a base M1/M2 mini at this point unless it was heavily discounted well below $300?
I hope no body would take a worse deal than that, but normal people don't give discounts. They create their listing and maybe check other listings from time to time, but I don't think prices will drop now with the M4 Mac mini even though they should. Normal Joes don't care and don't see why they should get less for their old machine just because some corporation decided to release something better for a lower price. And I somehow get it, my 2017 MBP was around 1700€ refurbished from Apple, standard 13" Touch Bar. The new M4 is 1900€ and the M3 MacBook Air is 1300€ and itself a much much better Mac. Macs might not be made to retain resale value for long now with M chips and steady upgrades, but people still want money out of their investment.
Im just happy I stopped to bother to baby my MBP to resell it and just decided to use it and upgrade down the line when I have to and newer offerings are actually worth the upgrade.
 
It’s more convenient to not have to do any of that at home.

Is it lazy? Maybe, but it feels damn good 😌

What is “any of that”? You’re comparing a single USB-C cable from a dock to a single USB-C cable from the power adapter. It’s one cable in both cases.

The lazy method is buying a $500 Caldigit TB4 dock. It costs as much as a Mac mini but it’s the most convenient because you don’t need to worry about it syncing settings, files, etc. between two computers. Most people don’t do this because it’s expensive.

Most large orgs offer this setup because it’s more productive and easy.
 
That's the conundrum. Since there's no mass market case for a 5K display other than Mac users, the pickings are slim and dated. I almost got a studio display for $1299 shipped on Prime Day, but the 60hz just kills it for me. I've gotten used to my fast OLEDs and promotion on my iOS devices that I can't get myself to spend over $1000 for a 60hz display.
What displays are people using with their Mac mini? Are large 4K displays a good match?
 
That's the conundrum. Since there's no mass market case for a 5K display other than Mac users, the pickings are slim and dated. I almost got a studio display for $1299 shipped on Prime Day, but the 60hz just kills it for me. I've gotten used to my fast OLEDs and promotion on my iOS devices that I can't get myself to spend over $1000 for a 60hz display.
That’s why I ended up converting my iMac instead of buying a new display. The display market for Mac users (or just anyone who‘s used to greater than 4K iMacs, even on another OS, and doesn’t want to downgrade their experience) has been in a weird limbo for years now.
 
What displays are people using with their Mac mini? Are large 4K displays a good match?
They work but they offer less screen resolution for retina usage. 5K display for retina resolution is 2560 x 1440, a 4K retina resolution is 1920 x 1080. A good cheaper 4K display is the Acer Nitro XV275K P3 mentioned in the linked article, prices are lower now. But then you have the new Asus 5K display see this post of mine.
 
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What is “any of that”? You’re comparing a single USB-C cable from a dock to a single USB-C cable from the power adapter. It’s one cable in both cases.

The lazy method is buying a $500 Caldigit TB4 dock. It costs as much as a Mac mini but it’s the most convenient because you don’t need to worry about it syncing settings, files, etc. between two computers. Most people don’t do this because it’s expensive.

Most large orgs offer this setup because it’s more productive and easy.
Is the MacBook going to magically jump out of my bag and teleport to my home office and also connect itself? There are some valid arguments for those who go with the single most powerful laptop approach, but in my experience I think it's better to go with two machines if possible even if it means taking a small performance hit. There is something to be said for having a dedicated desktop you can offload tasks like video editing to without having to worry about battery degradation over time as well. An M4 Mac mini will be right there on and ready to go as soon as you unlock the desktop with Touch ID. Everything synced perfectly the vast majority of the time. It simply doesn't get much better than that in terms of convenience at around the same price you would pay for an entry level MBP.
 
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When a base Mac mini finally has enough ram and cpu with base specs that goes cheaper than what I paid to upgrade my MBP 16's SSD to 2TB, it's a no brainer for convenience. Got tired of plugging and unplugging my MBP 16.
 
Not sure I understand the argument - within the next six to eight months, there will be an M4 MacBook Air with 16GB RAM, 256GB storage priced at $1,099 that will be portable, include a keyboard, pointer and display, and that will support multiple external displays. The M4 Mini is great at $499, but still needs to be fitted with a display, keyboard, etc, and can't be used on the road. Different products
 
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Is the MacBook going to magically jump out of my bag and teleport to my home office and also connect itself? There are some valid arguments for those who go with the single most powerful laptop approach, but in my experience I think it's better to go with two machines if possible even if it means taking a small performance hit. There is something to be said for having a dedicated desktop you can offload tasks like video editing to without having to worry about battery degradation over time as well. An M4 Mac mini will be right there on and ready to go as soon as you unlock the desktop with Touch ID. Everything synced perfectly the vast majority of the time. It simply doesn't get much better than that in terms of convenience at around the same price you would pay for an entry level MBP.

Maybe it's just me, but I always take out my MacBook to charge at home. I leave home with 100%. Since Apple Silicon, I rarely carry a charger with me on the road.
 
Apples and oranges. If you need a laptop you need a laptop.

All computers depreciate pretty rapidly as they're superceded by newer and more capable ones. Nothing new here. The M4 Mini will be no exception over the long run.
Yes, but by percentages, the base Mac Mini won't lose a ton of $ dollar for dollar, maybe a couple hundred bucks.
 
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Many people just take the face value of $599 when evaluating the value of the Mac mini. You literally can’t use it without a display and KBM. Of course you can say that you already have them, but they also have their respective costs which cannot be ignored - you just don’t assume them to be free. So Mac mini has quite a good value, but not that “extreme”.

Also, nowadays I seldom hear any people buying desktop computers anymore except “gaming” people who are buying PCs.

Nevertheless I’m also considering the Mac mini, but 256GB for the base model is really not going to make it for a desktop computer. Once it’s upgraded (only to 512GB) then the value becomes bad. USD799 is starting to get close to the (non-existent yet, i know) price point of the base M4 MacBook Air which has a screen, a keyboard with Touch ID, webcam, plus portability, etc.
 
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