Wow! What a trip down memory lane!Thats easy
Try this
Classic II
LC 1/2
IIsi
IIvi
IIvx
IIcx
IIci
IIfx
Quadra 700
Quadra 900
Quadra 950
All sold concurrently.
Plus performa versions of some.
The IIci was awesome!
Wow! What a trip down memory lane!Thats easy
Try this
Classic II
LC 1/2
IIsi
IIvi
IIvx
IIcx
IIci
IIfx
Quadra 700
Quadra 900
Quadra 950
All sold concurrently.
Plus performa versions of some.
The $1300 jump is to jump 2 steps. The iMac is in between.I've been looking at this very question, but the answer I get is I want something Apple doesn't make, and may never make. That's something between the M1 Mini and the M1 Max Studio. Perhaps a Mini with an M1 Max? I don't really see why the M1 Max can be in a laptop but needs to be in a Studio-like enclosure for a desktop. That $1300 jump between Mini and Studio bothers me.
I'd argue Mac Studio is the middle ground choice.
Mac mini is the lower ground (I hate calling it "low end" because it can handle serious workloads in certain areas) and Mac Pro is the "no limits" high ground.
Plus, the iMac has been popular with educational institutions for as long as I can remember. Since I work for an electronics recycling/reselling company that gets computers and tablets from nearby school districts, I know about this. We often get lots of older iMacs from schools to wipe/reset for resell, or pull the hard drive from and recycle if they're broken. And I suspect with the M1 iMac out and Apple having discontinued all Intel iMacs, we may soon be getting a LOT of older 21" Intel iMacs from schools that are upgrading to the new iMac.The current iMac is an appliance. Just the port shortage makes it unsuitable as an "in between" system.
The M1 iMac has a 24 inch 4K screen and a lot fewer ports. I have a 5k screen on my current 6 year old 27” iMac. I don’t care what the case surrounding the equipment looks like, square, iMac, cheese grater, I don’t want to buy a brand new computer that is a step backwards on memory or graphics or screen size, and the current 24 inch iMac steps both the memory and the graphic capability back.The $1300 jump is to jump 2 steps. The iMac is in between.
I totally agree that the 24" iMac is a disaster. It is a desktop machine crippled with compromises as if it were a laptop. I too was hoping for a new, awesome, 27" iMac. But Apple gave us the Mac Studio instead, so I ordered it. Still seems odd to go backwards from an all-in-one to separate components.The M1 iMac has a 24 inch 4K screen and a lot fewer ports. I have a 5k screen on my current 6 year old 27” iMac. I don’t care what the case surrounding the equipment looks like, square, iMac, cheese grater, I don’t want to buy a brand new computer that is a step backwards on memory or graphics or screen size, and the current 24 inch iMac steps both the memory and the graphic capability back.
The upgraded and rumored M2 Mac Mini might get rid of all my complaints-or maybe address something else that I’m not concerned about. I also don’t know when it will be available and I don’t have a good way of knowing how much it will cost.
Just put it behind the display on your desk, my desk if pretty full, I have two displays, a slide scanner, speakers, a blu ray burner, plus the usual keyboard and mouse. It's pretty full, but workable.You're probably right but I'm having a hard time stomaching the price. Besides I didn't need another box to take up more real estate on my already overcrowded desktop it would seem asinine to put it on the floor.
Yeah I'm looking at possibly a riser to stick things underneath. Your desk sounds like mine.Just put it behind the display on your desk, my desk if pretty full, I have two displays, a slide scanner, speakers, a blu ray burner, plus the usual keyboard and mouse. It's pretty full, but workable.
You are gonna see a huge bump with the M1 Max (or Ultra).So I'll be the idiot who asks I guess... I keep seeing people say that if you're questioning if you need a mac studio, you don't need it. But I currently have a 2017 27" imac, 4.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 and 64GB memory. It's horribly slow at this point with what I do - photoshop, final cut pro.. forget doing both at once. I'd like to use after effects but it's so laggy when I open that I barely try. If I have the $ for a studio, is it really a total waste? I don't want my dad to pay for power I'll never touch, but my imac sucks at this point for any graphics work
That makes sense, thanks. I don't consider myself a professional (right now) so I was worried the studio may be overkill ($ isn't a problem or he wouldn't be getting me a mac but still), but those programs are my every day use and my iMac is definitely struggling with them, we were discussing the mini before but now a max is looking pretty coolYou are gonna see a huge bump with the M1 Max (or Ultra).
If you are using Photoshop, Final Cut Pro and After Effects, you definitely land in the "heavy" user category. I think the comments you see here are for people who mostly web surf, use Preview, use Office and maybe iMovie. Maybe they use Photoshop Elements (is that still a thing?) or even full PS, but for basic image clean up. Those people likely aren't going to take full advantage of the power a studio has, and a properly build M1 Mini is going to cover them well.
Do you have a Fusion drive? If so, that is your primary problem. Also, what GPU?So I'll be the idiot who asks I guess... I keep seeing people say that if you're questioning if you need a mac studio, you don't need it. But I currently have a 2017 27" imac, 4.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 and 64GB memory. It's horribly slow at this point with what I do - photoshop, final cut pro.. forget doing both at once. I'd like to use after effects but it's so laggy when I open that I barely try. If I have the $ for a studio, is it really a total waste? I don't want my dad to pay for power I'll never touch, but my imac sucks at this point for any graphics work
Radeon Pro 580 8 GB and 3.12tb fusion drive. I think they were the max upgrades possibleDo you have a Fusion drive? If so, that is your primary problem. Also, what GPU?
Although your iMac is a bit long in the tooth, there is no way it should be struggling on even pretty advanced multi layered PS work - but this is the answer to that conundrum, you’re using a Fusion Drive. It’s clearly the bottleneck.Radeon Pro 580 8 GB and 3.12tb fusion drive. I think they were the max upgrades possible
GPU is pretty good. Just getting a machine with a fast SSD will make huge difference. It is pretty easy to tell from activity monitor whether your cpu and gpu are being stressed. This will help focus on what specific upgrades are really needed.Radeon Pro 580 8 GB and 3.12tb fusion drive. I think they were the max upgrades possible
As far as the Mac Mini, I will give you that. At work we use a bunch of NUC'sThe Mac mini has always been competitively priced. For equivalent hardware they usually come out on top especially when you consider the power consumption and form factor. There simply hasn’t really been anything on the pc side that can compete. Even the NUC can’t really compare price size when you go feature for feature and cpu power to cpu power.
I'm not comparing an Apple to a PC. I've been down that road and I get it.
I'm simply comparing an Apple product to another Apple product
I know, but my thought is just that Apple have never really made much of anything that was not expensive.I'm not comparing an Apple to a PC. I've been down that road and I get it.
I'm simply comparing an Apple product to another Apple product
No you’re right, nothing from Apple comes cheap but you get what you pay for. Still think there’s a hole the lack of a similarity priced AIO 27” iMac doesn’t fit.I know, but my thought is just that Apple have never really made much of anything that was not expensive.
Of course there is a performance/price gap between the Mini and the Studio. These devices are not fully through the transition, yet. The M1, as good as it is, is a first effort. I would expect an updated Mini (M2) by end of this year or early next that allows more RAM, more monitors, and maybe adds more cores (ala M1 Pro). If they don’t add a Pro chip to the Mini, they are certain to add it as a new baseline to the Studio.In what world are we living in that a 'middle ground' DESKTOP computer - not including ANY peripherals (no mouse, no keyboard, no display) is $2,000? That is just absurd to me. The studio is not for consumers and it is not meant to be. But for the people saying that is the middle tier option, there IS a giant hole Apple has created for the consumer space.
If anyone is looking to get anything even slightly more powerful than an M1, they are going to be paying easily $2500 for a base config desktop. That is the hole I am seeing.
Apple really needs to give another option to the Mac Mini. It is basically: M1 chip (albeit very capable, but also in the iPad Air), or $2000 not including the $500/$1000 in peripherals/display.
There is literally a gigantic hole in the Mac Mini offering.
Edit: I forgot to put the price LOL