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Actually most of the heated discussion is caused by a huge hole in Apple products line; a headless machine that is less expensive and smaller than Mac Pro. If you rule out iMac (do not want integrated screen) and Mac Pro (too expensive, too high power consumption, too large and so on) your only choice is Mac Mini. It is a niche product that does not match most people requirements. Since it does not match they complain. In other words many people need product B but the only choices are A and C. Neither one of A and C matches their requirements.

I cannot understand why Apple can produce every possible combination of iPod, including models that seem to be similar but cannot create a Mac that is smaller, cheaper version of Mac Pro. This was rehashed hundreds of times in this forum and others. Unfortunately Apple never addressed this market. It is a brilliant company but very a arrogant one. The needs of customers are not taken into consideration for the products development. They know better than customers themselves what is needed. If your needs match what Apple came up with you are in luck, if not you are screwed and destined to go to dreadful PC land.
 
Last night Apple had a refurbished 1.83GHz Core Duo Mac mini with a SuperDrive on the Apple Store for $479. Keep an eye out on the refurb store, as they usually have really great deals later at night.
 
Last night Apple had a refurbished 1.83GHz Core Duo Mac mini with a SuperDrive on the Apple Store for $479. Keep an eye out on the refurb store, as they usually have really great deals later at night.

I had this deal in my cart to use as a media center. Then I realized that by the time I upgraded the RAM and considered that it was core Duo, rather than core 2 duo, it would be better to get the 1.83 new without the SD.
 
Actually most of the heated discussion is caused by a huge hole in Apple products line; a headless machine that is less expensive and smaller than Mac Pro. If you rule out iMac (do not want integrated screen) and Mac Pro (too expensive, too high power consumption, too large and so on) your only choice is Mac Mini. It is a niche product that does not match most people requirements. Since it does not match they complain. In other words many people need product B but the only choices are A and C. Neither one of A and C matches their requirements.

I cannot understand why Apple can produce every possible combination of iPod, including models that seem to be similar but cannot create a Mac that is smaller, cheaper version of Mac Pro. This was rehashed hundreds of times in this forum and others. Unfortunately Apple never addressed this market. It is a brilliant company but very a arrogant one. The needs of customers are not taken into consideration for the products development. They know better than customers themselves what is needed. If your needs match what Apple came up with you are in luck, if not you are screwed and destined to go to dreadful PC land.

I totally agree. I am in the hunt for my first mac and want something pretty powerful but can't afford a mac pro. I kinda want another lcd screen or even a cinema display and so I'd be left with the mac mini. I don' want to pay $800 for that, I'm sorry. I guess I'll have to go with a blackbook.
 
I totally agree. I am in the hunt for my first mac and want something pretty powerful but can't afford a mac pro. I kinda want another lcd screen or even a cinema display and so I'd be left with the mac mini. I don' want to pay $800 for that, I'm sorry. I guess I'll have to go with a blackbook.

The base 20" iMac seems like it would be perfect for you. Pretty powerful, with a big LCD to boot. At $1199, it seems like a fair value.
 
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