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Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard VS. Windows Vista
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I will probably not buy a windows machine untill they shed their old ways, primarly DOS. It's like MS is putting cushioning around a large rock to make it usable for the most part by most people. I think this also has something to do the subtle driver issues that windows has.
They will need to replace DOS with something more powerfull and usable than DOS before they get anywhere with their OS. Which is why I use a Mac.
I know they might not because of so many people needing to run older programs... At any rate, that'swhat I think.
They will need to replace DOS with something more powerfull and usable than DOS before they get anywhere with their OS. Which is why I use a Mac.
I know they might not because of so many people needing to run older programs... At any rate, that'swhat I think.
...what? i was always under the impression that DOS was abandoned after Me, and 2000, XP, and everything after that was always based off of NT, which was a new operating system that was built from the ground up...
this would explain why XP had such a long development cycle because they had to make a DOS emulators so that old applications can run when people moved to XP.
this would explain why XP had such a long development cycle because they had to make a DOS emulators so that old applications can run when people moved to XP.
Best help I can be is by giving you the reasons why I switched and am happy with my Mac. Whilst I realise some of them comparing the current versions of each OS most of the issues will probably still stand for the new versions
1. It's crashed on me once, the amount of times XP crashed on me was phenomenal and this was on other people's computers (I never bought the system)
2. You can surf the net virtually without any virus worries
3. Look at the system requirements of Vista, when XP has been run on the Intel Macs it's not run majorly faster than 10.4. Given XP is 5 years old with much lower minimum system requirements than 10.4 this is pretty awful really. Based on this Vista will be a monster for hogging computer power compared with Leopard.
4. Mac OS is so much easier to use and as Apple say, it just works. Good example is wireless networking: XP you have to change numerous settings, fiddle around and I've seen it not work or stop working many a time. In Mac OS you switch on Airport and bingo.
5. You can run Windows on Intel Macs, can't run Mac OS on PC's. If you turn out to need Vista you can still use it, if you stick with Vista and it's a monster you'd have to buy a whole new machine to switch to Mac OS.
6. Vista will likely not be bug free even when it does appear and will require revisions before it becomes a decent OS
7. Ok this is hardware not software but Macs look stunning, PCs generally look awful. The looks weren't major when I was buyinh my Mac but boy I love having a computer I like to look at.
Disadvantages of MacOs
1. The hardware is more expensive and we still don't know if the new Intel chips will be better than AMD's new gen chips. Thus Macs could be using more expensive, slower chips than you could get for your PC
2. Virtually all software (especially games) are more expensive for Macs and there is less options around software (however what you can get is very good)
3. Already issues around the fact that Microsoft won't port their DRM to MacOs which could become more of an issue with on-demand video leaving MacOs users without the ability to take advantage unless they purchase Vista.
I know this is a bit biased since I've already switched to Mac (and ain't going back) but hopes this helps.
1. It's crashed on me once, the amount of times XP crashed on me was phenomenal and this was on other people's computers (I never bought the system)
2. You can surf the net virtually without any virus worries
3. Look at the system requirements of Vista, when XP has been run on the Intel Macs it's not run majorly faster than 10.4. Given XP is 5 years old with much lower minimum system requirements than 10.4 this is pretty awful really. Based on this Vista will be a monster for hogging computer power compared with Leopard.
4. Mac OS is so much easier to use and as Apple say, it just works. Good example is wireless networking: XP you have to change numerous settings, fiddle around and I've seen it not work or stop working many a time. In Mac OS you switch on Airport and bingo.
5. You can run Windows on Intel Macs, can't run Mac OS on PC's. If you turn out to need Vista you can still use it, if you stick with Vista and it's a monster you'd have to buy a whole new machine to switch to Mac OS.
6. Vista will likely not be bug free even when it does appear and will require revisions before it becomes a decent OS
7. Ok this is hardware not software but Macs look stunning, PCs generally look awful. The looks weren't major when I was buyinh my Mac but boy I love having a computer I like to look at.
Disadvantages of MacOs
1. The hardware is more expensive and we still don't know if the new Intel chips will be better than AMD's new gen chips. Thus Macs could be using more expensive, slower chips than you could get for your PC
2. Virtually all software (especially games) are more expensive for Macs and there is less options around software (however what you can get is very good)
3. Already issues around the fact that Microsoft won't port their DRM to MacOs which could become more of an issue with on-demand video leaving MacOs users without the ability to take advantage unless they purchase Vista.
I know this is a bit biased since I've already switched to Mac (and ain't going back) but hopes this helps.
BrianSalts said:
HA! Take a look at this: http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/9758/
And don't forget 20 things you won't like about windoze
vista: http://www.computerworld.com/action...ewArticleBasic&articleId=9000829&pageNumber=1
Why can't they just make a good OS?
I mean I've never heard of Scot Finnie so I don't know about his bias but assuming he's not, a lot of the issues seem pretty integral to the OS (ie Networking STILL won't work properly).
I'm use a Mac so will almost certainly pick up Leopard or release. However when going to an Intel Mac I was going to pick up a copy of Windows Vista (for gaming) as it's the only version with Direct X 10 and games love the latest Direct X. I've always been a PC gamer (over consoles) but realistically as most of these issues won't be fixed for release so I probably won't bother.
I wonder whether they've finally updated the copy routine yet so it doesn't bring a 3Ghz PC to a halt (at both ends) when copying 5 sets of files across the network.
I mean I've never heard of Scot Finnie so I don't know about his bias but assuming he's not, a lot of the issues seem pretty integral to the OS (ie Networking STILL won't work properly).
I'm use a Mac so will almost certainly pick up Leopard or release. However when going to an Intel Mac I was going to pick up a copy of Windows Vista (for gaming) as it's the only version with Direct X 10 and games love the latest Direct X. I've always been a PC gamer (over consoles) but realistically as most of these issues won't be fixed for release so I probably won't bother.
I wonder whether they've finally updated the copy routine yet so it doesn't bring a 3Ghz PC to a halt (at both ends) when copying 5 sets of files across the network.
BrianSalts said:
Apple is just becoming "big"? History check, sir, Apple is a huge corporation - and has been for quite sometime. Sure, not as big as Microsoft, but several years of multibillion dollar sales is nothing to laugh at.
jaxstate said:
A completely reasonable and sensible answer on an internet forum? Where did you come from?
Vista will be amazing. It will be a pleasure to look at. You'll love using it, and it'll look sexy. Once you have it all set up, just like on a mac, it'll just work.
Leapord is going to look and feel just like Tiger, which felt just like Panther, Pumba, and Jaguar.
Chances are, OS X will crash on you just as often as Vista will crash (assuming you don't get viruses/spyware/etc.., which you don't get if you're safe about browsing the net)
Both OS's will contain bugs. Both OS's can be run on sexy hardware (my PC is silver and sexy)
In the end, I'd say Vista will be fine as long as it's not taxed too much. Windows has a tendency to crap out if you do a lot of CPU intensive work. OS X, although it'll be great as far as multi-tasking goes, won't be much different...a few new features here and there, but not the big jump like XP->Vista.
In the end, I'd like OS X on a sexy (not the blasé macBook/pro) laptop.
Leapord is going to look and feel just like Tiger, which felt just like Panther, Pumba, and Jaguar.
Chances are, OS X will crash on you just as often as Vista will crash (assuming you don't get viruses/spyware/etc.., which you don't get if you're safe about browsing the net)
Both OS's will contain bugs. Both OS's can be run on sexy hardware (my PC is silver and sexy)
In the end, I'd say Vista will be fine as long as it's not taxed too much. Windows has a tendency to crap out if you do a lot of CPU intensive work. OS X, although it'll be great as far as multi-tasking goes, won't be much different...a few new features here and there, but not the big jump like XP->Vista.
In the end, I'd like OS X on a sexy (not the blasé macBook/pro) laptop.
I used that..when I needed to use dd.exe from a command line to copy an ISO onto a partition to set up an opperating system *shifty eyes*netdog said:
I plan on buying a MacBook, or MacBook Pro if the graphics card and/or CPU in the MB sucks, so I can run 10.5 and Vista under BootCamp or Parallels. Or VPC if M$ does something good with it. Hopefully it'll be better than the Dell I bought awhile ago (needed a PC laptop for work), but I'm sure it will be. My Dell sucks.
netdog said:
it not any different that terminal on OSX though.
Command promt is very useful for something if you can understand how to use it and understand the data it displays.
(In this part I going to just use DOS refering to anything like it. Termal is like DOS in the since that I am refering to it)
Also DOS is extermally power in what it can access. Much more powerful than yes even OSX. Reason for it is it does not deal with limition imposed on it. Also it is extreammly stable make OSX look like insanely unstable. Reason for it how simple of an OS it is. DOS (or something like it) is really good for things that do not have a large amount of space and it simplicity gives it the power to be installed on almost anything.
Now it is not user friendly at all and very difficult to use but if you can understand the data it putting on the screen and what it means you figure that it is very powerful and a much better infomation tool to figure stuff out. Plus in the stuff you can do in there is nice.
does Windows Vista really exist? I'm starting to think it's like Santa Clause or The Easter Bunny. One day, when we're a little older Microsoft will sit us down and tell us the truth about Santa...I mean Vista
At the moment it's just sitting in the corner. My new job gave me a tablet. Also sux but it's light. I'm going to keep it for a little while longer in case I need it, just to see what Apple comes out with next when I actually do need another laptop. The current ones are ok, but I can't justify the expense yet. My iMac still works great and I'm not traveling at all.NetIce said:Of course, Macpro is much better than dell, throw your dell to the market
The Dell is dying anyway. I don't care, it was cheap. I couldn't put anyone through the pain of having to use it though. Even for free.
'In the end, I'd say Vista will be fine as long as it's not taxed too much.'
Vista will probably get crushed under its own weight.
Vista will probably get crushed under its own weight.