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Mac pro 1,1 cpu swap impressions x5365 from 5160

I purchased a Mac Pro 1.1 last summer for $1200. It came with a 23" cinema display that I sold for $300. It also has the dual 4 core 3.0ghz upgrade (x5365s), 32 gigs of ram, a 5770, and twin 500gig hard drives. I updated the firmware to 2.1, and upgraded the main HD to be a 128 gig SSD. I use it for CAD modeling and rendering, some of my renders and animations take DAYS, and they're using 100% of all 8 cores.

Sure, it's from 2007, but it will take a mini outside, place it's teeth on the curb, and stomp its skull inside out. If you're doing an intensive process that doesn' use all 8 cores, the machine is still usable. It's quiet, stable, and I think it's great. The only thing that sucks is the EFI isn't 64 bit, and I can't run the newest graphics cards.
 
Yeah, Mini might be more powerful and get higher benchmark scores, but my 1st gen Pro is still far more practical machine. It can run under heavy load literally for days non-stop without overheating. My colleague's 2011 Mini runs at 50°C in idle state and at up to 90°C when doing some CPU-heavy work, whereas my Pro is always under 45°C no matter what it does.

I have my Pro upgraded to 2x 2,33 Quad E5345 and 8x1GB RAM (because hacked version of Mountain Lion can't handle more than that, otherwise I'd get 8x2GB), 256GB SSD + 2x1,5TB RAID 1 + 500GB BootCamp drives and flashed Sapphire HD4870. And how much had I spent in total? (all purchased off eBay)

Well the computer itself was for roughly $550 (with 2x 2,0GHz Dual-Core, 3GB RAM, 2x250GB HDDs and GeForce 7300GT)
Matching pair of E5345s SLAEJ - $30
8x 1GB PC2-5300F sticks - $25 (w/out that enormous heat spreader,but I didn't notice any substantial rise of temperature compared to the stock memory)
Sapphire HD4870 1GB - $60
Samsung 840 256GB SSD - $100
OEM Apple SSD Caddy - $55
Airport + Bluetooth - $40
Samsung DVD Burner - $10 (the Sony drive which it came with turned out to be dead)
2x1500GB WD Green Drives - $0 (pulled them form my G5 tower)
1x500GB WD Green Drive - $50

So all in all, including shipping on the items I spent some $1000 on this machine, but it was worth every penny. I even sold the parts I replaced and got about $100 back so technically, it was only about $900.
 
Omnius said:
The general consensus here is that the 5,1 Mac Pro is antiquated and the 4,1 is the effective minimum for saying you're using at least a modern mac pro.
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Is this a typo, or do you really feel the 5,1 is antiquated and the 4,1 modern? I'm not being sarcastic, just unsure of your position.
 
Tesselator said:
This is sorta interesting:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+X5365+@+3.00GHz
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Only thing is, I don't think it was in the same class even when it was released. According to that, it was 09. Which seems odd since it was in the pros in Mar. 2007.
I would like to see it compared to the Core i7-920. It is still a year newer but similar clock speed and release date.
Core i7-920 Release date
Xeon X5365 Release date

Xeons were never the cheapest or the fastest, but they were more durable and had ECC and I can see how that would be more important to Pro's working with professional grade audio or video. Artifacts and errors would be unacceptable.
It is interesting and caused me to research more on the topic.
 
TheEasterBunny said:
Only thing is, I don't think it was in the same class even when it was released. According to that, it was 09. Which seems odd since it was in the pros in Mar. 2007.
I would like to see it compared to the Core i7-920. It is still a year newer but similar clock speed and release date.
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Yeah, I guess the point is too compare with all that's currently available. But I wonder why the AMD 16-core chip or some of the high-end Xeons aren't there then. Anyway I guess it provides a pretty good indication of the zippyness increase one will get if they use those other chips.

It is interesting and caused me to research more on the topic.
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Ha! You're so easy to manipulate... <evil-snicker>
j/k


:D
 
Tesselator said:
Yeah, I guess the point is too compare with all that's currently available. But I wonder why the AMD 16-core chip or some of the high-end Xeons aren't there then. Anyway I guess it provides a pretty good indication of the zippyness increase one will get if they use those other chips.



Ha! You're so easy to manipulate... <evil-snicker>
j/k


:D
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Ha Ha, yeah, it's just so many want to point out how old the 1,1 is, that can be somewhat annoying. If a tool continues to be useful why replace on the factor of being newer. I have 20 year old screw drivers in my box, I don't run out to buy new ones every year. New ones would be shinier, but the old ones do what I need.

I was wondering too why there weren't more chips on that list, even i3's
 
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crjackson2134 said:
Is this a typo, or do you really feel the 5,1 is antiquated and the 4,1 modern? I'm not being sarcastic, just unsure of your position.
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I'm not sure how it's unclear. the 4,1 is the bare minimum for really running a reasonably modern mac pro. That said, it and the 5,1 are already viewed by most in this community as antiquated.
 
Omnius said:
I'm not sure how it's unclear. the 4,1 is the bare minimum for really running a reasonably modern mac pro. That said, it and the 5,1 are already viewed by most in this community as antiquated.
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I see, I thought you meant the 5,1 is antiquated but that the 4,1 wasn't.
 
The Mac Pro 8x that shipped from Apple with two x5365s used a liquid metal type thermal compound called Krytox. According to the Apple Repair Manual for that machine there were two issues with that stuff: first, it's toxic, and second, the metal surfaces to which it is applied (the underside of the heat sink and the top of the processor) begins to oxidize or go through some kind of change that compromises the thermal effectivity. You have 30 minutes total exposure time before those surfaces are essentially ruined. As Apple technicians if we exceeded this window we had to order new processors and heatsinks.

The gist of this is that you may be experiencing more heat because your heatsinks and thermal compound are not 100% compatible with the x5365s. This may mean that the machine may just run a little hotter from now on or that there may be some stability issues in the future. Also, this is only true if all x5365s have this special surface; if it was just the models supplied to Apple and you got a PC set (for lack of a better desciptor) you may not have to worry about that.
 
jaxhunter said:
The Mac Pro 8x that shipped from Apple with two x5365s used a liquid metal type thermal compound called Krytox. According to the Apple Repair Manual for that machine there were two issues with that stuff: first, it's toxic, and second, the metal surfaces to which it is applied (the underside of the heat sink and the top of the processor) begins to oxidize or go through some kind of change that compromises the thermal effectivity. You have 30 minutes total exposure time before those surfaces are essentially ruined. As Apple technicians if we exceeded this window we had to order new processors and heatsinks.

The gist of this is that you may be experiencing more heat because your heatsinks and thermal compound are not 100% compatible with the x5365s. This may mean that the machine may just run a little hotter from now on or that there may be some stability issues in the future. Also, this is only true if all x5365s have this special surface; if it was just the models supplied to Apple and you got a PC set (for lack of a better desciptor) you may not have to worry about that.
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Crazy. I did not know this. Thanks for sharing.
 
Me neither. Pretty interesting. I have noticed quite a few x5365 sets on ebay that had very dull and tarnished looking covers. I wonder if this is why? :p
 
I put arctic silver 5 on my server pulled x5365s and they run around 53C, which I think is quite good.
 
Just done this - oooo the filth ;-)

filth by Duffloop, on Flickr
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more by Duffloop, on Flickr
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better by Duffloop, on Flickr
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Fuchal said:
I put arctic silver 5 on my server pulled x5365s and they run around 53C, which I think is quite good.
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Ere is that temp on the cpu die offset (core) or your heatsink?
 
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