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Apple states 2x2TB as top storage option

In a review of the MBP 16" one video blogger ( MKBHD )
(around 4:01 in timeline ) said that someone mentioned that the Mac Pro would match the MBP 16" later.

It would be very odd if the MBP had more internal capacity option than the Mac Pro. Apple merely needs to take the same eight NAND chips used in the MBP 16" 8TB motherboard and put them on two NAND daughter cards ( 4 each). That shouldn't be a rocket science project. It is probably a matter of logistics. ( filling MBP 16" orders first . Getting the daughter cards made . .... )

The 8TB configuration will probably be late. I wouldn't expect it to ship this year, but it is probably coming.

Apple hasn't updated the Tech Specs sheet. But there is nothing on the Tech Specs sheet about the Rack version of the Mac Pro and that is very real too.
 
It all depends on the BTO price really, but most of exotic prosumers probably aim for:

12C CPU
base ram (3rd party later)
VegaII solo
1TB SSD
Most of the "exotic prosumers" probably aim for nothing. That is (at minimum) a $7,500 Mac, before considering display options. Sure, they might've considered a Mac Pro 5,1 or 6,1 in the past, but with this one Apple has priced them right out the door.
 
Well if you look at my previous discussions made in various MP related thread, you know how I see this product as. But from all those countless discussion, some still insist that there are rich guy who will buy no matter what. Hence, the term "exotic prosumers". I should've put /s at the end ;)
 
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Well if you look at my previous discussions made in various MP related thread, you know how I see this product as. But from all those countless discussion, some still insist that there are rich guy who will buy no matter what. Hence, the term "exotic prosumers". I should've put /s at the end ;)
Apple did see a market for a $10,000 Watch at one point, so it's entirely possible that a tiny minority of rich prosumers will get these. That's not who it's intended for, but Apple certainly isn't going to stop 'em. ;)
 
The 8TB configuration will probably be late. I wouldn't expect it to ship this year, but it is probably coming.

Apple hasn't updated the Tech Specs sheet. But there is nothing on the Tech Specs sheet about the Rack version of the Mac Pro and that is very real too.

Prophetic
 
Prophetic

as post #27 points out MKBHD has had a Mac Pro since got the MBP 16" for review. ( he has a new "quick review" up already for the Mac Pro that he had been sitting on.). It has been NDAs suppressing info ( and a bit of goofiness by Apple in not updating things that were already out there anyway. ).

Just watching folks who likely had them had tidbits flowing out.
 
I'm an audio dude, my reasonable config would be:

16 core, 96GB RAM, 2TB SSD, 580X, no wheels, trackpad, Pegasus J2i 8TB; total $10,248.95 (excl. tax)

desired config would be:
16 core, 192GB RAM, 4TB SSD, Vega II, wheels, trackpad, Pegasus r4i 32TB; total $17,548.95 (excl. tax)

I suppose I could do a bare minimum config with just a 12-core or 16-core, and get memory/storage upgrades from OWC as they become available. But those base configs still come in at $6999 and $7999 respectively.
 
Apple did see a market for a $10,000 Watch at one point, so it's entirely possible that a tiny minority of rich prosumers will get these. That's not who it's intended for, but Apple certainly isn't going to stop 'em. ;)
The $10K price on the Watch was entirely bling, not extra functionality. Two very different markets.

I currently have punched up a 12-core, 48GB, 580X, 1TB storage system priced at $7699. I might punch up to the 16-core (+$1K, but slightly faster clock speed on the 12-core, and not sure what 4 extra cores would get me), and/or 96GB (+$700) on the memory, which would put it at $9399 for both. The only thing I need a graphics card for is to run multiple monitors, so I don't think I need more than the base graphics card.

Am I a rich prosumer? This is a personal purchase, so that would put it in the -sumer category, and I make my living programming for MacOS, so pro-? What would I use it for? I have survived 30 years in this industry by always staying current on my skills in a broad sense, not just what I use right now for my employer. I have seen entire segments be born or implode into a fiery death in very short timeframes, and seen coworkers who were unprepared go down with the ship (although a friend informs me the market for COBOL programmers is hot right now, so many banks with so much legacy software). So this is in part an investment in the capability to tinker with those cutting edge technologies so that I may continue to make the kind of income that allows me to spend $10K on my "personal" computer. Is that rich?
 
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I'm an audio dude, my reasonable config would be:

16 core, 96GB RAM, 2TB SSD, 580X, no wheels, trackpad, Pegasus J2i 8TB; total $10,248.95 (excl. tax)

desired config would be:
16 core, 192GB RAM, 4TB SSD, Vega II, wheels, trackpad, Pegasus r4i 32TB; total $17,548.95 (excl. tax)

I suppose I could do a bare minimum config with just a 12-core or 16-core, and get memory/storage upgrades from OWC as they become available. But those base configs still come in at $6999 and $7999 respectively.

I'm an audio person so immediately think 'lowest video card possible' but I am thinking about potentially 2 of the displays and am curious if the base video card is good enough to do that and do it just as well as the vega.

Additionally I'm considering getting into 3d modeling using the same machine and don't really want to do upgrading of the mac myself later.
 
Planned for 28core, 1TB and minimum everything else, and the 20k budget, and I wasn't far off. AU$21839
 
I'm an audio person so immediately think 'lowest video card possible' but I am thinking about potentially 2 of the displays and am curious if the base video card is good enough to do that and do it just as well as the vega.

Additionally I'm considering getting into 3d modeling using the same machine and don't really want to do upgrading of the mac myself later.
By "the displays" do you mean the XDR displays that as an audio person you would have no use for (even for 3d modeling)? The base card can easily drive 2 (or more!) displays without breaking a sweat. I can't speak to how well it does 3d modeling.
 
I’m watching and waiting until someone does a tear down. So I can see what type of SSD port is being used before I make any decisions. Most likely will opt for the base model. Because everything else can be upgraded myself and for a fraction of the cost it would be from Apple. Also I have a Vega vii I could through in right now. What’s holding me back is seeing what the cost Is going to be storage wise and if there is anywhere to store sata SSD’s inside. Storage is what I always seem to run out of. My 1tb nvme in the 5,1 is 92% full even after trying to clear a bunch of data. And my 8tb nas is almost there too. I need to upgrade storage all around.
 
Just bought:

16-core (sweet spot on price plus faster single core)
32GB RAM - will use OWC to bring to 128 GB
1TB SSD storage
RadeonPro580X

Will probably get another in the spring - maybe 24 core, will see how this one flys first.
 
..you made me reconsider a bit - as an editor - when it's between Vega Duo and afterburner, probably the Afterburner will be more bang for the buck... do you expect it to only work with ProRes RAW or all kinds of ProRes de- and encoding? I'm thinking to hold out on the Afterburner for now since it should be an easy upgrade lateron and wait for some benchmarks..

Ideally defer the decision until more is known about the AB card. See my post here: #45

By comparison, a top-spec iMac Pro is already pretty fast, except for the GPU. There are extremely GPU-intensive plugins such as Neat Video, Imagenomic Portraiture and Digital Anarchy Flicker Free. I just finished a documentary that had lots of low-light, grainy contributed footage, so I had to use Neat Video a lot. It took my 10-core Vega 64 iMac Pro forever to process that. Each new encoded version for final review was several hours elapsed time to generate.

Each workflow is different and there is huge variation in the computational load paths of various plugins and codecs. Those also vary based on NLE, so it's difficult to evaluate. But if you're using a NLE like Resolve that can effectively harness lots of GPU horsepower, it seems like Vega Duo would be a better fit than Afterburner.

Probably within 1-2 weeks it will be more clear.
 
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I'm an audio person so immediately think 'lowest video card possible' but I am thinking about potentially 2 of the displays and am curious if the base video card is good enough to do that and do it just as well as the vega.

For mainstream displays that 580X is better than the D700 of the previous Mac Pro.

Ball park these two are suitable stand in for those two. ( D700 -- W9000 and 590 --- 580X )

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-FirePro-W9000-vs-AMD-RX-590/2841vs4033

[ I think the 580X may be a 12nm bump to the baseline 580 design. But maybe not with the clocks bump up quite as high as the 590 to get to better thermals.
even basic 580 would still have a substantive gap.
]

The 580X isn't a bargain basement, low power card. It is probably pulling around 180-225W. Driving two mainstream, normal displays isn't going to be a major problem.



Additionally I'm considering getting into 3d modeling using the same machine and don't really want to do upgrading of the mac myself later.

3d on a non 4K screen would be different than trying to do 3D on a 6-8K screen.
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Ideally defer the decision until more is known about the AB card. See my post here: #45

By comparison, a top-spec iMac Pro is already pretty fast, except for the GPU. There are extremely GPU-intensive plugins such as Neat Video, Imagenomic Portraiture and Digital Anarchy Flicker Free. I just finished a documentary that had lots of low-light, grainy contributed footage, so I had to use Neat Video a lot. It took my 10-core Vega 64 iMac Pro forever to process that. Each new encoded version for final review was several hours elapsed time to generate.

Each workflow is different and there is huge variation in the computational load paths of various plugins and codecs. Those also vary based on NLE, so it's difficult to evaluate. But if you're using a NLE like Resolve that can effectively harness lots of GPU horsepower, it seems like Vega Duo would be a better fit than Afterburner.

Probably within 1-2 weeks it will be more clear.

Afterburner is only accessed through Apple AV Foundation libraries APIs. If there is custom computations that 3rd party plug-ins are going to do directly themselves then there is little need to wait 1-2 weeks to see if there will be any Afterburner impact. There won't be. Apps can't get to Afterburner to do something just they particularly want it to do.


If have custom computations ... Afterburner isn't the answer. Afterburner is primarily going to make calls to Apple API functions go faster over as subset of Apple's API. That is useful. But not particularly in the context of 3rd parties doing manipulations of the video data after it has be decoded and loaded. [ if the hold up was in the loading and writing back out to disk in ProRes format then Afterburner might help. But transforms in the middle once decoded ; not really. ]
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I’m watching and waiting until someone does a tear down. So I can see what type of SSD port is being used before I make any decisions.

It is extremely likely the same system that Apple uses for the iMac Pro.

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac+Pro+Teardown/101807

It is a single logical SSD composed of three parts. The T2 ( SSD controllers) and two (sometimes one in Mac Pro case entry config) NAND daugther cards. Those cards are not SSDs. Those card are pragmatically internal components to the T2 driven SSD. As internal SSD components there are no "3rd parties" likely coming for this SSD any more there are 3rd party coming for the internal of other folk's SSD implementations.


It isn't like Apple invented something brand new for the Mac Pro storage. They have had this system set-up infrastructure for two years.
 
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....Afterburner is only accessed through Apple AV Foundation libraries APIs. If there is custom computations that 3rd party plug-ins are going to do directly themselves then there is little need to wait 1-2 weeks to see if there will be any Afterburner impact...

My point was those plugins will use the improved GPU performance *today*. That is known. My advice for waiting 1-2 weeks was to see if *anything* (including FCPX) benefits from Afterburner, and if so on what codec, what NLE and what workload.
 
What configuration would you guys recommend for Photoshop, After Effects and Cinema 4D work on motion graphics? Thanks
 
My point was those plugins will use the improved GPU performance *today*. That is known. My advice for waiting 1-2 weeks was to see if *anything* (including FCPX) benefits from Afterburner, and if so on what codec, what NLE and what workload.

Afterburner works with the various forms of ProRes. Not sure why there is a targeted codec question .

Afterburner will I’ll work with any macOS Apple that uses Apples libraries that were suppose to use to handle ProRes . So only the apps that went off and re-invented the wheel are going to miss out.

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What’s holding me back is seeing what the cost Is going to be storage wise and if there is anywhere to store sata SSD’s inside.

You are aware that the internal "built-in" storage prices are available already, correct? Base 256GB > 1TB is $400 upgrade. At Apple's prices for the base cost of this machine, this one seems like a no-brainer.

SATA SSDs will max around 525MB/s. You can achieve the max speed on the majority of 2.5" SATA SSDs through a USB-C 3.1 10Gbps storage enclosure like this:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ND3JNZ6

If you need storage faster than ~525MB/s, you should look at 4x NVMe PCIe cards. The Sonnet is advertising MacPro7,1 compatibility, but others like the HighPoint should work too:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Q338R93

Just PAY ATTENTION to the Sonnet NVMe blade requirements if you purchase:
https://sonnettech.com/support/downloads/manuals/M2_compatibility.pdf
 
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Pulled the trigger on mine today,

12c
32 gigs
1TB storage
580X

Have on order the OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/docks/owc-thunderbolt-3-dock

Got a black Friday sale with it that got me the USB C Travel Dock for free https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other World Computing/TCDK5PSG/

I also picked up the Highpoint NVMe ssd raid card with 2x 1TB Samsung EVO's

Debating if I should put in the RX580 from my 5,1 and run that card as well.

Let me just say that the exchange rate to CND sucks and so do taxes :p
 
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