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I just love this mindset. So you're not producing music yet and you don't know if you are going to, but you want to get a top notch Mac for it.

I mean it's all fine but I think the story's a little different. The truth is that you wish to have the best machine there is and you try to find a reason to justify the cost so you can sleep a little better.

Some basic music editing can be done even on MBA. Why don't you try doing it first and then think about buying a monster of computer?
 
I just love this mindset. So you're not producing music yet and you don't know if you are going to, but you want to get a top notch Mac for it.

I mean it's all fine but I think the story's a little different. The truth is that you wish to have the best machine there is and you try to find a reason to justify the cost so you can sleep a little better.

Some basic music editing can be done even on MBA. Why don't you try doing it first and then think about buying a monster of computer?

No. That's not true. As I stated before, I am a photographer and I need to have this machine for my photography business since I have many monitors, a need for fantastic graphics cards to run this monitors, etc. I am just trying to figure out is the 6 or 8 will be better for my needs as a musician as well since I am buying this anyway. As a independent musician, I have no idea what my needs are going to be yet in terms of trying to produce my own album, etc, therefore since I am buying the Mac Pro anyway for photography, I need to get the best one for music too.
 
Your needs for you photography are greater than what you'll probably ever need for your music work. The six-core Mac Pro isn't that much more than the four-core and I think is the best deal of the bunch for most users.
 
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If you are doing straight audio work, there is no way you will able to overload a nMP hex, I don't care how many compressors, EQs, Altiverbs and FX you use. Only if you get into full VI orchestrations is there a chance you will need more Mac. But you will first need more storage (SSDs).

In fact, based on your plans, I'd be willing to bet you would never even push the nMP base quad. Put the extra money toward a nice mic and mic pre and some great monitor speakers.

Yep - this is all true! I do HEAVY stuff on a Quad imac. The nMP is a monster music machine. And is not any faster than the 8 core until very specific conditions are met - that you almost certainly never hit. - and then the difference will be very small :).
 
No. That's not true. As I stated before, I am a photographer and I need to have this machine for my photography business since I have many monitors, a need for fantastic graphics cards to run this monitors, etc. I am just trying to figure out is the 6 or 8 will be better for my needs as a musician as well since I am buying this anyway. As a independent musician, I have no idea what my needs are going to be yet in terms of trying to produce my own album, etc, therefore since I am buying the Mac Pro anyway for photography, I need to get the best one for music too.

The problem with this is that since photography makes you money, so you should not buy the MP thinking of music, buy the best mac pro for photography and I´m sure by the time you are a big time pop star you will be able to afford a new mac pro to better cater to music production.
 
The problem with this is that since photography makes you money, so you should not buy the MP thinking of music, buy the best mac pro for photography and I´m sure by the time you are a big time pop star you will be able to afford a new mac pro to better cater to music production.

I would have to disagree with you about that because I am spending an insane amount of money on this for photography, and $1500 more to upgrade to an 8 core is worth it to me IF it is better for my music needs….only if it helps obviously, which is why I am asking other musicians/recording engineers about it.
 
Yep - this is all true! I do HEAVY stuff on a Quad imac. The nMP is a monster music machine. And is not any faster than the 8 core until very specific conditions are met - that you almost certainly never hit. - and then the difference will be very small :).

:) Leaning toward the 6. Just so excited to have a mac pro at all! Can't wait!

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Would still love to hear from other musician's and audio pro's opinion's too though. So feel free to still post opinions everyone. :)
 
I would have to disagree with you about that because I am spending an insane amount of money on this for photography, and $1500 more to upgrade to an 8 core is worth it to me IF it is better for my music needs….only if it helps obviously, which is why I am asking other musicians/recording engineers about it.

Having done lots of music, photography and video, I can tell you that you will never regret the 8 core purchase. You might however regret not having gone with the 8.
 
Having done lots of music, photography and video, I can tell you that you will never regret the 8 core purchase. You might however regret not having gone with the 8.

Hmmm. The only video I would ever be doing is music videos for my youtube channel...
 
I would have to disagree with you about that because I am spending an insane amount of money on this for photography, and $1500 more to upgrade to an 8 core is worth it to me IF it is better for my music needs….only if it helps obviously, which is why I am asking other musicians/recording engineers about it.

I guarantee those 1500 are better spent in buying mics and other music paraphernelia.
Now if money is no object you should still get the MP you need for photography, and when hit a wall with music production, then buy a new, better MP, after all money is no object.
 
Honestly, I would shoot for a 6 core and put the savings into a UAD DSP processor. It will kind of help to be able to off load plugins to an external DSP. But mostly you get access to some of the best plugins money can buy.
Music production rarely bottlenecks computers in the same fashion that video or animation can.
We have been out of the wood on that for a while.
(heck I just realized my main audio interface is 10 years old! go motu!)
Just as an example, a few years back I was using a Mac mini first gen intel with a 2ghz core duo and 2 gigs ram to record 8 tracks and play back 8 simultaneously.
I upgraded to a 15" MBP in 2010 and that guy can handle 20 in 22 out no problem.
After I added an SSD and replaced the DVD with a 1TB hard drive I could max out all tracks with plugins and still hit that number of tracks.
 
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I guarantee those 1500 are better spent in buying mics and other music paraphernelia.
Now if money is no object you should still get the MP you need for photography, and when hit a wall with music production, then buy a new, better MP, after all money is no object.

If you are really buying this computer to keep for several years, then it makes more sense in the long run to over spec it. You can (and probably will) add lots of music paraphernalia to your gear. What you won't be able to do is add two more cores to your computer.

To be honest though, you'll probably be super fine with the six core for music and photography heck, probably for video also ! Three or four years from now, these 6 or 8 core machines will be in the middle of the new benchmark charts anyways.
 
The only way you would overload a 6 core nMP with music would be with pretty dense orchestral/film score work (which is what I do). With some audio tracks, a few VI's (piano, drums, strings, bass) and effects, the 6 core is more than enough.

And if you eventually get into full orchestral mock ups with the big sample libs, there is an upgrade path of using a slave computer to host some of the VI's via Vienna Ensemble Pro. When I ran out of steam on my 5.1 hex, I just added a slave.. I now use the MP for Logic X and all of the effects ( including VSL MIR Pro - a CPU hungry reverb/spatial processor) and a 6 core Windows PC with 64GB of RAM +SSD's for the sample libraries. But we are talking 100+ tracks its some really large samples and complex scripting in the VI's. As a singer songwriter doing conventional pop/rock/alternative demo's, you are a couple orders of magnitude simpler than what some of us are doing as far as the computer footprint.
 
Being a photographer myself, I can only address this side of your decision. Back in late summer 2013 I was facing the same issue about a new MacPro to replace my 2008 dual core 3,1 and solutions for long term photo storage. I went with a 5,1 hex 3.33 GHz core MacPro. I loaded it up with at first 20 GB and more recently 32 GB of ram, a 3GB 7950 graphics card, and it absolutely flies with large PS files, filters, layers and plug-in editing software by Nik and Portrait Professional. I have dual 27” Apple displays and am very happy I got the 6 core.

The one thing you haven’t discussed is storage. Being a photographer my most import photographic equipment is my fast prime lenses. Second most is secure digital storage and lots of it. This is why I chose the 5,1 over the nMP, because of the internal storage and other PCIe based options it offers.

Just as some “food for thought”, here is how my 5,1 is now set up; 480 GB partitioned SanDisk SSD in lower optical bay with OSX and Windows boot drive. 2 HGST Enterprise class 4TB HDD in bay 1 & 2. These are set up as RAID 0 for user files and photo storage in a 6TB partition. Each drive has at the outer layer a 1TB partition that I use as a (very fast) scratch drive for PS on one and a backup to the SSD startup drive on the other. Bay 3 & 4 are 2 enterprise HDD at 3GB each, set up as 6TB RAID 0, to be a direct, backed up twice a day copy of the Main RAID. So the base MacPro tower, without any external drives offers me 10 second boot times off the SSD, 6TB of data files and 6TB of backup at 312 to 320 MB/s Read Write speeds. I doubt you will get these speeds with Thunderbolt… Plus I have 2 other eSata dual drive RAID 0 enclosures that I back up weekly, one goes in the fireproof gun safe the other goes out the door with me on any photoshoots or trips. These drives back up via a PCIe eSata card at about 240 to 280MB/s speed. And if I wanted I still have the option to add a faster 6Gb/s PCIe card that could house 2 additional SSD internal drives on board and thru external ports, most likely speed up the 2 external drive transfers as well. ESata is a much better option for ME than Thunderbolt will ever be, and is a lot less $$.

My total cost for 4 RAID setups and drives, 2 internal and 2 external was about $1,200. For comparison, 6TB Thunderbolt enclosures are going in the $600 range and you would need 4 of these to duplicate my setup. And if interested, you should be able to locate a 5,1 hex core for <$2,000.

The other important reason for buying a 5,1 is Firewire 800, it is long from dead IMHO. My wife and I are a 5 Mac household (Her 27” IMac, 2 MBP 15” laptops and MacMini for iTunes and Apple TV) and all of our Macs have FW800. So moving data around is easy via a 2TB My Passport FW800 drive, lot faster then wireless. On another 1TB FW800 portable drive I have partioned OSX Snow Leopard and Mavericks systems with utilities to act as the startup drive via the target disk mode if any Mac needs a tune-up or has problems. I keep a copy of each Macs HD recovery software on the drive just in case. The target disk mode is a life saver and it is a real shame Apple did not implement it with Thunderbolt.
 
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Past the front end I am all ITB - though a single real vox comp has crossed my mind...

ITB, Love the Softube Classic Channel. Sometimes add TLA comp and do two with low ratios... Love the Waves CLA and Vcomp but WAVES is not working at 96k/64 buffer (1.8ms latency) in PT11HD where I do all of my work (my baby HDx setting - LOL). Maybe PT11.1 and Maverick will fix this in a while but right now the Softube (and AVID) stuff is working and sounding great...


Howdy! Which PT system are you running these days, and what's your buffer? Please and Thank-you!
 
In the time since this thread began... r.4GHz 6-core upgrades are even cheaper, PCIE-SSD Samsung SM951 are available offering nearest zero latency and seek along with 1500MB/sec to store tracks and plugins, scratch and are bootable.

Photography? graphics? Check out http://www.macperformanceguide.com
 
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Sorry, I shouldn't have abbreviated. I'm wanting to know real-world i/o latency and buffer sizes when running Pro Tools 11 on a Mac Pro. I'm comparing Mac Pros and a machine room is a possibility for me: 2010, 2012, and 2013 are on the table. 16GB RAM and the Hex-Core is the minimum configuration.
 
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