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MP 7,1 Mac Pro Apple Silicon is going to eat our lunch
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Yes 8 core
I’m nervous because I know the new m1 will be out soon, but I’m in music and my fan has been annoying me lately
The price when new would have been about $6000 so $4000 is a decent price reduction. SSD, RAM and video card are fairly easy to upgrade, CPU not as much.
OTOH $4000 would buy you a 16” MBP with the same RAM and a bigger SSD that would be faster at many tasks (but impossible to upgrade).
Faster at many tasks with music? I’m really scared of throttling. Someone convinced me to sell my Mac Pro in 2014 and buy the top of the line Mac book. Worst decision. The throttling was so bad, I wanted to cry some days.
How much is it to upgrade from 256 to 1gig main drive? And will I be able to transfer my syba dual mvme pci carrier into the new Mac Pro without formatting the nvme drive
Well that was an Intel Macbook. Intel CPUs run much hotter than the Apple SoCs. The M1 Pro and M1 Max both have 8 performance cores that are much faster than the cores in the MacPro you are looking at and consume much less power.
I have no idea how well optimized for Apple Silicon the software you use is but if you bought the 16” MBP with the M1 Pro SoC, I doubt throttling would be an issue.
For the main drive I believe you have to use Apple SSDs. I don’t know what Apple would charge but they charge another $400 or so for the upgrade in a new Mac Pro. I assume they would charge more for the replacement parts.
Okay so I would definitely factor that into the cost. for the carrier drives, it would be nice to know if I don’t have to plug and play, as soon as I get the hardware I’m booking a genius appointment to see if I can get that main drive upgraded right away. It’s terrible apple is making consumers go into the store to replace the main drive. Is that even legal?
Firstly, US$2k will get you a fully loaded (16GB RAM / 2TB SSD / 10Gb Ethernet / Logic Pro software) M1-powered Mac mini right now (or go with a 1TB SSD & save US$400, save another US$200 if you don't need Logic Pro software); this would allow you to step over to the Apple silicon side of things, and still have a performant machine...?
If you got a M1 Mac mini to "tide you over", you could continue saving your doll hairs, waiting to see what comes out in Spring 2022; US$4k will buy a pretty decked out 27" iMac (Pro) or high-end Mac mini (Pro)...!
And it would really, Really, REALLY suck to be working on a massive deskside machine that is totally outclassed by a high-end Mac mini...?!? ;^p
Almost out of AppleCare & a really old GPU with a used 7.1 Mac Pro; or fresh 3-year AppleCare & 32-core state-of-the-art GPU with a new Apple silicon model...?
M1 Pro/Max SoC will give you a 10-core CPU, eight performance & two efficiency...
Be nervous...! ;^p Again, I would hate to be buying into the outgoing hardware when I could get more bang for my buck with new hardware...?
Most folks are saying they can hardly hear the fans in the new MacBook Pro laptops, so imagine how much quieter they might be in a Mac mini or 27" iMac...?
Seems like the new Apple silicon powered Macs (both the low-end M1-series & the newer M1 Pro/Max-series) are faster at, well everything; and thermal throttling is a thing of the past...?
Don't jump into a new 2021 MBP if you don't really want a laptop; you will just be paying extra for things you do not need (display, batteries, etc.)...
You might have to find a new external housing for the M.2 NVMe SSDs, OWC has a decent looking model...
What I hope to see come Spring 2022:
Mac mini Pro
Now, would you REALLY want to get that massive 2019 Mac Pro for US$4k when you could wait for the above & have an extra US$1k for your external enclosure for your M.2 NVMe SSDs & whatever other peripherals you might want/need...?
If you got a M1 Mac mini to "tide you over", you could continue saving your doll hairs, waiting to see what comes out in Spring 2022; US$4k will buy a pretty decked out 27" iMac (Pro) or high-end Mac mini (Pro)...!
And it would really, Really, REALLY suck to be working on a massive deskside machine that is totally outclassed by a high-end Mac mini...?!? ;^p
Almost out of AppleCare & a really old GPU with a used 7.1 Mac Pro; or fresh 3-year AppleCare & 32-core state-of-the-art GPU with a new Apple silicon model...?
M1 Pro/Max SoC will give you a 10-core CPU, eight performance & two efficiency...
Be nervous...! ;^p Again, I would hate to be buying into the outgoing hardware when I could get more bang for my buck with new hardware...?
Most folks are saying they can hardly hear the fans in the new MacBook Pro laptops, so imagine how much quieter they might be in a Mac mini or 27" iMac...?
Seems like the new Apple silicon powered Macs (both the low-end M1-series & the newer M1 Pro/Max-series) are faster at, well everything; and thermal throttling is a thing of the past...?
Don't jump into a new 2021 MBP if you don't really want a laptop; you will just be paying extra for things you do not need (display, batteries, etc.)...
You might have to find a new external housing for the M.2 NVMe SSDs, OWC has a decent looking model...
What I hope to see come Spring 2022:
Mac mini Pro
- M1 Max SoC
- 10-core CPU (8P/2E)
- 32-core GPU
- 16-core Neural Engine
- 64GB LPDDR5 RAM
- 400GB/s memory bandwidth
- 1TB NVMe SSD
- 10Gb Ethernet (RJ-45) port
- (4) Thunderbolt 4 (USB-C) ports
- (2) USB 3.2 (USB-A) ports
- HDMI 2.0 port
- 3.5mm headphone jack
- Space Gray
Now, would you REALLY want to get that massive 2019 Mac Pro for US$4k when you could wait for the above & have an extra US$1k for your external enclosure for your M.2 NVMe SSDs & whatever other peripherals you might want/need...?
This might the only time I pray apple forgets about Mac Pro again until everything is compatible with m1
Unfortunately I cannot enter silicone yet, but I will in the next years once everything is compatible. Currently, it’s too much of a mess! 90% of my license is ilok/pace.
Unfortunately I cannot enter silicone yet, but I will in the next years once everything is compatible. Currently, it’s too much of a mess! 90% of my license is ilok/pace.
You can check if the software you plan to use is compatible with Apple Silicon here
Is Apple Silicon ready?
The Complete Guide to MacOS Apps Optimized for Apple Silicon Macs and the M1/M2 Processors
isapplesiliconready.com
it does look like you might have trouble with ilok/pace
I’ve picked up the computer. Visited the Genius Bar to get a clean bill of health. Where did you see it cost 400$ to upgrade to 1tb from 256? I only see 600$ options
Beyond external and internal expansion ... please specify what work on the current Mac Pro cannot be done on the M1 Pro/M1 Pro Max? Applications, macOS and workflow of doing work for each task should be the same. Again unless specifics on hardware done via expansion (internal/external) I doubt there is any difference or benefit gained.
Also consider the cost savings of power consumption being heavily reduced, including when working on farm of mac's to speed up specific work tasks that traditionally take considerable time (10hrs plus). I don't work in this field so I'm generally curious
That's the thing though, the Mac Pro is effectively now a dongle for overview type tasks that require a large amount of display space, but may not necessarily require huge amounts of processing. With the M(x)'s lack of access to eGPU, my 12 year old Mac Pro is unquestionably a better overview machine than the top of the range Macbook Pro. Hosts more ram, as well.
Want to run 3 displays *and* a Cintiq, you're out of luck on the M(x).
Does anyone know if I can transfer my syba with ssds to Mac Pro 7,1 from 5,1 without any formatting or..?
Image the data onto a back up drive or the cloud, format the nvme setup without stress and put the data back when everything is fine. Drives are cheap and fast on the 7,1 so buy one and image directly onto that, it will save you several minutes, depending on your connection speed to your chosen back up. Black Friday tomorrow and a 4 TB drive costs $70 today on Amazon. Statistically a backup is mandatory especially on a long life machine what is designed to grow.
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I get that, but I wanted to know if I can go back and forth with the pci drives. This is not my main drives. Just samples.
Black Friday is not tomorrow
Black Friday is not tomorrow
Intel Marketing seems like driving their pistons at full steam lately. Looks like the real thing will be much better than the experimental results from the youtuber above.
Leaked i7-12700H (6P+8E at 45W?):
Full story: https://www.notebookcheck.net/First...-3-and-Apple-M1-Max-in-the-dust.579828.0.html
Not in the sense that people can't use for what they want if they're willing to spend time and develop the software, and cope with potential limits Apple will impose on expandability. I meant if the new Mac Pro has no user upgradable memory, storage, networking & etc, that limits its flexibility and hence general applicability to different usages. And I think it's not a problem for Apple because they perhaps primarily intend the new Mac Pro for a subset of video/graphics production crowds.
Agreed. Will make the trash can look well thought through.
One thing they can do for expandable ram is make the on chip ram act like a cache of sorts. First 64gb sit on chip like a level 4 cache and then you could use ddr l5 for say 4Tb of dimm ram
Let me just check the couch cushions across the entire planet...
That's one possibility if Apple plans to support DIMMs. Will they do it? I don't know. I'm sure Apple has all the telemetries of their Mac Pro 2019 user base and the question will be how much percentage is installed with over 200GB RAM. Apple knows for sure but we don't.
Btw, Intel will face the same problem implementation wise next year as they will have some Sapphire Rapids SKUs with HBM in addition to on-board DIMMs. The differences are in Intel's case HBM isn't shared by GPU, and Intel did it before.
I bet Apple won't support DIMMs (at least in the coming) new Mac Pro. Instead they may rely on density growth in LPDDR DRAMs as well as slightly increasing number channels in new SoCs.
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Pro Tools is an absolute cluster**** on Monterey at the moment, so an M1 Pro or Max are bad choices for that, along with non-native PlugIns which you may choose to use inside something like PT or Logic.
I have a 16-core Mac Pro 7.1 on Catalina and an 16" M1 Max and they are about the same speed for music purposes. Power consumption on the M1 Max is laughable - 6 watts at idle, 9 watts in use, 35-40 watts if you cane it. 16-core Xeon is 90 watts at idle and 150w+ for any moderately intensive task.
Most stuff works really well on the M1 Max, but Pro Tools really does not. It's a Monterey thing, I think, rather than a chip thing.