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Urggggggghhhhh ! Can't wait to see an all-new SNB-E Mac pro!!!!!!

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With this conf. Top of the perch mac pro may be slow than it's entry level in some situation.

Well go and look at the CPUs yourself.

Those are the 95W CPUs, if Apple decide to put 130W CPUs in then more options open up.

Besides, if you want single thread performance only you buy the 4x3.4, if you want multi-thread performance, you buy the DP systems.

I want the best of both worlds, hence the 6x3.2!
 
There're not law that DP must use pair of 95W CPUs.

such as pair of 150W Xeon X5482 in 2008 3.2 GHz Mac Pro.

so everything is possible.
 
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Bit-Tech looked into overclocking the locked Sandy Bridge-E processors and explaining the system clock vs. the CPU clock.

While it is not up to the level of an unlocked multiplier, the entry Core i7 3820 is still quite capable of overclocking.
 
No thanks.
So I recon the Mac Pro will be (as long as they stick to 95W in the DP machines):

4 @ 3.4
6 @ 3.2
6 @ 3.3
12 @ 2.5
16 @ 2
16 @ 2.2

They are in no way limited to 95W and it's far more likely that they'll choose chips in the same price bracket as before as opposed to the same wattage.
 
Bit-Tech looked into overclocking the locked Sandy Bridge-E processors and explaining the system clock vs. the CPU clock.

While it is not up to the level of an unlocked multiplier, the entry Core i7 3820 is still quite capable of overclocking.
Looking at Intel's overclocking support on Sandy Bridge-E.
(Intel develop this CPU for overclock at it's root)

Is it possible that apple will overclock next mac pro from factory?
(e.g. entry 4GHz Quad)
 
There're not law that DP must use pair of 95W CPUs.

such as pair of 150W Xeon X5482 in 2008 3.2 GHz Mac Pro.

so everything is possible.

There isn't a law, but that is what Apple has done since the 2009 Mac Pro. Although when you look deeper into this, you will realize that the choices have been made due to pricing as well (Harpertowns were cheaper than Nehalem/Westmere, which allowed Apple to use the high-end CPUs with higher TDP).

SB-E's middle option, 115W, is fairly tempting though. I guess it boils down to pricing.

Looking at Intel's overclocking support on Sandy Bridge-E.
(Intel develop this CPU for overclock at it's root)

Is it possible that apple will overclock next mac pro from factory?
(e.g. entry 4GHz Quad)

Apple has never, at least during the Intel era, provided a factory overclocked Mac.
 
They are in no way limited to 95W and it's far more likely that they'll choose chips in the same price bracket as before as opposed to the same wattage.

Never said limited, I just said that they have in the last two generations of MP stuck to 95W chips in the DP machines, probably because the heatsinks are smaller compared to the SP machines.

I know X5680s (3.33ghz 6 core chips) work in the DP systems.

As for pricing, the DP chips haven't been priced yet, so we'll see on that front.
 
There isn't a law, but that is what Apple has done since the 2009 Mac Pro. Although when you look deeper into this, you will realize that the choices have been made due to pricing as well (Harpertowns were cheaper than Nehalem/Westmere, which allowed Apple to use the high-end CPUs with higher TDP).

SB-E's middle option, 115W, is fairly tempting though. I guess it boils down to pricing.
Harpertown have a same price range as Nehalem/Westmere as the day their came out. ($200 -> $1500 $1600).

I haven't an info about intel chipset price. but somewhat confident that their (Intel 5400 and Intel x58) have identical price.

But agains. On that time Apple may get some discount on intel CPU.

PS. Miss a day that we have pair of $500+ CPU in (Under $2800) Mac Pro. (2x2.66 in 1,1 and 2x2.8 in 3,1)

Apple has never, at least during the Intel era, provided a factory overclocked Mac.
They never overclock the CPUs. But they have downclock the CPUs.
That make me think about chance to see it.

(Apple have been ship modify stock cpus and SNB-E is design for overclock world)

Do you guys think?
 
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SB-E's middle option, 115W, is fairly tempting though. I guess it boils down to pricing.

With Intel higher frequency (with core count constant) leads to higher pricing. Likewise higher frequency (again core count and implementation tech level) leads to higher TDP. So the power and pricing are slightly coupled.

If Intel put to high a price markup on the 115W versions then Apple will pass. If it is down in the range it appears for E5 1660 ( up to $1080 from W3680's initial $999; +$81 ) then Apple will likely tack on another $100.

130W and 150W E5 2600's options are moot. It is not a matter of "anything is possible". The Mac Pro has very real general design constraints. One of those that is very likely not to change is that it needs to be quiet ( not be a jet engine). Putting 260-300W heat sources in the box isn't likely going to meet that criteria.

Just going from 2x95 to 2x115 is a 21% increase in thermal dissipation problem. Jumping more the 25+% would be a big problem.
 
News from the AMD front...

Here we have leaked mobile roadmaps for 2012-2013.

Fudzilla reports no HD 7000 in 2011. It is going to be Q1 2012 at the earliest. I am expecting a strong mobile push with Trinty + mobile HD 7000 in that case.
 

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Intel has ship Xeon E5-2600 for some people.

The "Top 500 supercomputers" list comes out in November. Either people get those 2600's into boxes in the next month and submit numbers or they loose. They'll sign "give away first born child" NDA's if that will move them up several spots on the list.

I think Apple won't enjoy having sign something similar to what they make everyone else signs for these stuff. LOL. Nor would it make a good marketing event.

But yes.... these notions that Apple will beheld up by not having enough real versions of the chips to test production processes with, go up in smoke with this report.
 
Not true. X5470 was the fastest chip at the initial launch and cost $1386. X5680 costs $1663, so there is almost a $300 increase.
Yes! the Nehalem/Westmere high-end chip cost more than Harpertown. but there are variety of chip that apple can choose for low-end DP mac pro (E5530, E5540). Why they use the lowest Quad core chip? (E5520 -> lowest xeon DP that have Turbo, HT) Why they does't use +$500 part in their low-end mac pro? (as same as there previous line-ups)
 
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Why they does't use +$500 part in their low-end mac pro? (as same as there previous line-ups)

Because then they make less money. They were either getting huge discounts before due to switching to Intel or how they were purchasing, or were making small margins on the Mac Pro. That's obviously changed since 09.

Before LGA 1366 there were also bigger differences between UP and DP Xeons and their chipsets. For example when the Mac Pro originally came out a single processor system could only have been dual core with 8GB of memory support. The quad G5s would have been better for a good number of things.

With the lower clock-speeds of Sand Bridge-EP compared to SB-E I would hope at least they keep the single CPU line up the same with refreshed parts.
 
But yes.... these notions that Apple will beheld up by not having enough real versions of the chips to test production processes with, go up in smoke with this report.


Well no, not really.

We don't know the volume of production OR the rate these HPC people are sucking them up.

For all we know at the yields they are getting the HPC crowd are getting every single chip they can make!

Once the 15th November has come and gone, then we can start worrying about when the next MP will arrive!
 
For all we know at the yields they are getting the HPC crowd are getting every single chip they can make!

the Yields would have to suck really badly for this to be a problem.

300mm wafer. Assume 30 sq mm slice for an E5 just to make the numbers easier. So along diameter 10 chips. then 8 , 6 , 4 , and 2 for "half" of the wafer (less than half, but being conservative) . That boils down to 30/chips per wafer. Furthermore, assume they do one wafer per day ( after all production is jacked up right?). That's 150 chips /week (assuming Sat/Sun off). In 3 weeks, that is 450 chips. One of these register article mention about 400 design wins. So in 3 weeks every single design win could have a production chip to test with those kinds of horrible production stats. If only 100 of those design wins are in the "check production board" status they can have about 4 chips to test with.


This is a "tock" release (**). One in which the silicon process being used is the same process that has been in place over a year. 50% yields on year old process at an Intel factory? That's the premise folks want to roll with?

These are chips that sell in the 100K-1000K per month range. Cranking out a couple hundred a month should be easy to do in spare time even with 10% yields.



The E5's probably are being blocked for marketing reasons, not yield reasons. What is more likely is that production is being ramped on the i7 variations. Those chips which could be E5s are being "flipped" into i7 extreme mode to be pushed into that inventory queue since that launch is prior to the E5 launch. I think Intel probably will separate the two to smooth out capacity demands into the respective queues and to calm the nerves of the E5 server vendors who are bit freaked about PCI-e v3.0 compliance issues wrapping up . Not because they have problems making them right now in enough numbers to test board designs.

Once the 15th November has come and gone, then we can start worrying about when the next MP will arrive!

11/15 is the Core i7 Extreme launch date; not necessarily the Xeon E5 one. Unless, Apple is going to nuke the dual package option and move to more restricted Mac Pro line up (just SP options, and chop down the parts non-ECC ram , etc. ) to boost the margin loss, then it could be a longer wait.
Past the 15th Intel could squat on the E5 launch till CES time in January. (not consumer product but bundled into that larger dog-and-pony show roll out fanfare. )


(**) In a process context. Overall it is a "tick" where the architecture changes and they hold process changes relatively constant to greatly reduce yield issues. Ivy Bridge will be more of the shrink process change where yield is going to be much more a major problem... and probably is since those target dates seem to be sliding now too.
 
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