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[mattspace]

Sure thing: Mail not downloading

It doesn't appear to be consistent but for those experiencing it it's a major issue.

Reminds me of my favourite macOS issue with mail.app for IMAP servers, that I've seen with two different hosts. Because modern mail.app won't let you configure all the server stuff straight away, because it's being "easy to use" and "intuitive" it insists on attempting to connect to the server and figure that stuff out with just the address and password before it'll let you configure that.

Unfortunately, it's massively over-aggressive in the way it does that, and so triggers an instant IP address blacklisting with the host, so then you go to the maual server detils entry, because it can't auto-figure the connection (due to the ban). Even if you put all the correct info it, it won't work, because your ISP-provided modem IP address is blacklisted.

So the only reliable way to configure mail with a new host is to do your initial entry on a VPN connection, let it blacklist, then switch the VPN to a different exit node / IP address, and then complete the connection setup manually.

Bozo developers, making clownshoes software.

 

[Boil]

I'd like to see them move to a backplane setup where the SOC is on an add in card and you can basically add M4 ultras (plus on package GPU/RAM) on a stick - for those old enough to remember, like Slot 1 intel pentium 2s (but maybe smaller). Maybe 4 SOC slots on the backplane?

Upgrade them to M5 ultras or whatever down the track. Keep PCIe slots for PCIe cards.

Give me a Mac Pro Cube (8"x8"x8") with the SoC on a daughtercard, and two or three PCIe Gen5 x16 expansion slots...

Using half-length cards one could boost GPU, Neural Engine, or SSD capabilities; obviously, adding GPU/Neural Engine cards would be for compute/render tasks jobbed out from the SoC, SSD card is just more (M.2 NVMe) storage...

 

[Harry Haller]

Give me a Mac Pro Cube (8"x8"x8") with the SoC on a daughtercard, and two or three PCIe Gen5 x16 expansion slots...

Using half-length cards one could boost GPU, Neural Engine, or SSD capabilities; obviously, adding GPU/Neural Engine cards would be for compute/render tasks jobbed out from the SoC, SSD card is just more (M.2 NVMe) storage...

That's one of the popular SFF mini and micro ITX case sizes that PC users like.
It's amazing the power and functionality that can be put in such a small volume these days. Double the height of the Studio and there you are. But Apple will keep the Studio locked down and unupgradable. So much courage.

JONSBO/JONSPLUS Z20 Black Micro-ATX Mini Tower PC Case,with Detachable Carrying Handle, Mini Size, High-Performance Hardware Compatible, Support 240AIO, H160mm Cooler, Black

JONSBO/JONSPLUS Z20 Black Micro-ATX Mini Tower PC Case

www.amazon.com

 

[AdamBuker]

That's one of the popular SFF mini and micro ITX case sizes that PC users like.
It's amazing the power and functionality that can be put in such a small volume these days. Double the height of the Studio and there you are. But Apple will keep the Studio locked down and unupgradable. So much courage.

JONSBO/JONSPLUS Z20 Black Micro-ATX Mini Tower PC Case,with Detachable Carrying Handle, Mini Size, High-Performance Hardware Compatible, Support 240AIO, H160mm Cooler, Black

JONSBO/JONSPLUS Z20 Black Micro-ATX Mini Tower PC Case

www.amazon.com

If I bought this to mine crypto, do you think it would get hot enough to toast a sandwich? I’m trying to multitask here.

 

[mattspace]

If I bought this to mine crypto, do you think it would get hot enough to toast a sandwich? I’m trying to multitask here.

I use my Mac Pro's exhaust to dry my t-shirts

 

[avro707]

Mine keep me warm in winter in my office.

QUICK, CLOSE THE DOOR! it's warm in here!

In summer on the other hand.

 

[AdamBuker]

Mine keep me warm in winter in my office.

QUICK, CLOSE THE DOOR! it's warm in here!

In summer on the other hand.

That’s one reason I cling to my old Power Mac G5. It’s a cheap computer for legacy Final Cut/Logic projects that also warms the garage.

 

[mode11]

That's one of the popular SFF mini and micro ITX case sizes that PC users like.
It's amazing the power and functionality that can be put in such a small volume these days. Double the height of the Studio and there you are. But Apple will keep the Studio locked down and unupgradable. So much courage.

JONSBO/JONSPLUS Z20 Black Micro-ATX Mini Tower PC Case,with Detachable Carrying Handle, Mini Size, High-Performance Hardware Compatible, Support 240AIO, H160mm Cooler, Black

JONSBO/JONSPLUS Z20 Black Micro-ATX Mini Tower PC Case

www.amazon.com

 

[Boil]

Give me a Mac Pro Cube (8"x8"x8") with the SoC on a daughtercard, and two or three PCIe Gen5 x16 expansion slots...

That's one of the popular SFF mini and micro ITX case sizes that PC users like.
It's amazing the power and functionality that can be put in such a small volume these days. Double the height of the Studio and there you are. But Apple will keep the Studio locked down and unupgradable. So much courage.

JONSBO/JONSPLUS Z20 Black Micro-ATX Mini Tower PC Case,with Detachable Carrying Handle, Mini Size, High-Performance Hardware Compatible, Support 240AIO, H160mm Cooler, Black

JONSBO/JONSPLUS Z20 Black Micro-ATX Mini Tower PC Case

www.amazon.com

8"x8"x8" = 8.4 liters in volume, the Jonsbo chassis you link is over 20 liters (and that is without taking the actual bounding box volume that includes the feet & handle); the "standard" upper volume limit for SFF is 20 liters, and there are many SFF aficionados who see 10 liters as the upper limit...

My current computer is in the Lian Li TU150 chassis, which is very similar to the Jonsbo above; I hope to replace it with an all-new Mac Pro Cube someday, but will probably have to settle on a Mac Studio...

 

[mode11]

My current computer is in the Lian Li TU150 chassis, which is very similar to the Jonsbo above; I hope to replace it with an all-new Mac Pro Cube someday, but will probably have to settle on a Mac Studio...

I doubt an expandable cube will ever happen. The whole architecture is derived from the iPhone - brilliant power efficiency and single thread CPU performance, reasonable GPU and very limited expandability. The Mac Pro is the catch-all for any use case that requires internal expansion, and taking GPUs out of the equation already left its rationale a little thin.

Given PCIe GPUs are likely never coming back to the Mac, and you're into SFF, I'd have thought you'd be all over the Studio. The upcoming M4 Max Studio should be pretty potent. It's also possible the Ultra will get dedicated silicon, in which case they could increase CPU cores slightly whilst doubling / tripling the GPU cores. This would make for an impressive little workstation.

 

[Boil]

I doubt an expandable cube will ever happen. The whole architecture is derived from the iPhone - brilliant power efficiency and single thread CPU performance, reasonable GPU and very limited expandability. The Mac Pro is the catch-all for any use case that requires internal expansion, and taking GPUs out of the equation already left its rationale a little thin.

I would see the GPU expansion as an ASi card dedicated to compute/render tasks, leaving the display output tasks to the GPU integrated into the SoC, same with a Neural Engine expansion card...

Given PCIe GPUs are likely never coming back to the Mac, and you're into SFF, I'd have thought you'd be all over the Studio. The upcoming M4 Max Studio should be pretty potent. It's also possible the Ultra will get dedicated silicon, in which case they could increase CPU cores slightly whilst doubling / tripling the GPU cores. This would make for an impressive little workstation.

I do like the Mac Studio, but I see the Mac Pro Cube as a chassis designed for the mythical Mn Extreme SoC; I would be alright with a Mac Pro Cube that does not have expansion slots, if it had a chip configuration that consisted of two (rumored) Hidra SoCs, but if Apple can see their way clear of giving us a Mac Studio with a "SoC" designed specifically for high-end desktop/workstation usage, and significantly boosting the GPU performance, sign me up...!

I just want a compact Mac desktop/workstation that can compete with a Threadripper CPU/5090 GPU PC in regards to Blender performance...?

 

[avro707]

If I were building one, it would go back to dual xeons with dedicated GPUs.

Maybe Apple builds its own GPUs - inbuilt 16, 24, 32, 48 or 64GB RAM on those. Maybe a top version with 192GB video ram.

And perhaps these could be sold to the general PC market as well as Mac users.

 

[mode11]

 

[Harry Haller]

It's not rocket surgery is it?
Because it pays and even when it doesn't...
Hey, it's our show and we'll do what we want.
The bottom line is the bottom line.

 

[MoonCakeTropics]

Does anyone have any ideas what the Mac Pro might include for internals. I guess the Extreme chip is off the table based on rumors. Is there some chance we might get PCIe 5 along with the likely Thunderbolt 5 upgrade?

 

[flyproductions]

Is there some chance we might get PCIe 5 along with the likely Thunderbolt 5 upgrade?

PCIe 5 is highly disputed even in Win-World. No real benefit over 4 so far. Not even with the highest of the high-end GPUs like the NV 5090.

 

[mattspace]

Does anyone have any ideas what the Mac Pro might include for internals. I guess the Extreme chip is off the table based on rumors. Is there some chance we might get PCIe 5 along with the likely Thunderbolt 5 upgrade?

Nothing.

They're not going to make one.

The fact Apple was able to go an entire OS release with non-functional PCI storage for the 2023, when PCI storage is literally the only use case for the mac pro that can't be done with thunderbolt-limited transfer speeds, is a pretty fair hint there is no priority, and therefore no Mac Pro happening.

 

[MoonCakeTropics]

PCIe 5 is highly disputed even in Win-World. No real benefit over 4 so far. Not even with the highest of the high-end GPUs like the NV 5090.

I disagree with part of that. I think youre right about GPUs, but for fast gen5 storage, it makes a huge difference. And considering the lack of GPU application, high bandwidth storage on the Mac Pro becomes one of the only and likely best use cases for it.

 

[MoonCakeTropics]

Nothing.

They're not going to make one.

The fact Apple was able to go an entire OS release with non-functional PCI storage for the 2023, when PCI storage is literally the only use case for the mac pro that can't be done with thunderbolt-limited transfer speeds, is a pretty fair hint there is no priority, and therefore no Mac Pro happening.

Sorry, I'm not aware of PCI being non-functional on the 2023. Any color or links you could provide? I know it still works fine on the 2019.

 

[throAU]

PCIe 5 is highly disputed even in Win-World. No real benefit over 4 so far. Not even with the highest of the high-end GPUs like the NV 5090.

Given no gpus in Mac world it will be for high speed io and storage. Faster storage is always good.

 

[throAU]

Reminds me of my favourite macOS issue with mail.app for IMAP servers, that I've seen with two different hosts. Because modern mail.app won't let you configure all the server stuff straight away, because it's being "easy to use" and "intuitive" it insists on attempting to connect to the server and figure that stuff out with just the address and password before it'll let you configure that.

Unfortunately, it's massively over-aggressive in the way it does that, and so triggers an instant IP address blacklisting with the host, so then you go to the maual server detils entry, because it can't auto-figure the connection (due to the ban). Even if you put all the correct info it, it won't work, because your ISP-provided modem IP address is blacklisted.

So the only reliable way to configure mail with a new host is to do your initial entry on a VPN connection, let it blacklist, then switch the VPN to a different exit node / IP address, and then complete the connection setup manually.

Bozo developers, making clownshoes software.

Sounds like your isp is run by clowns.

Both for failing to set their dns up for auto discovery and additionally for black listing like that.

 

[throAU]

but it’s not like you need to spend a bunch of time fixing things or getting things to work, unless you’ve installed a bunch of things you shouldn’t be installing.

Windows update broke Bluetooth for me for 3 months. Windows update magically fixed it.

For months it wouldn’t pair with things

 

[mattspace]

Sorry, I'm not aware of PCI being non-functional on the 2023. Any color or links you could provide? I know it still works fine on the 2019.

this entire thread:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-pro-2019-nvme-raid-drives-failing-to-mount.2366297/

Also applies to the 2023, the entire Sonoma release was broken.

If Apple was able to let an entire OS cycle be non functional for the only real use case for a 2023 Mac Pro, why would anyone think Apple was going to invest in another version of it?

 

[mattspace]

Sounds like your isp is run by clowns.

Both for failing to set their dns up for auto discovery and additionally for black listing like that.

No, it's happened with multiple hosting providers, and is probably part of the default setup for cpanel systems.

And blaming the hosting provider is deflecting the actual problem - mail servers reflexively defending themselves against perceived malicious connection attempts is the real world. Apple's mail app does not function properly in the world that exists.

 

[Mac3Duser]

we all hope that apple will create a modular machine made for AI, with nvme slots, server-class sata, swappable graphics cards on pci e 5.0 slots...
Because we think that the mac pro should be a tool for a different range than macbook pro.
If apple has totally succeeded with macbook pro and mac mini, there is a frustration on workstations, it is noticeable.
In addition, it would be interesting that apple kept mac os compatible with intel processors and kept at least one class of pc with intel processors, and resumed discussions with nvidia.