Yup. Also, Corporations who use Mac Pro's don't really care whether a new chip in coming next month or next year. When CPU's are needed for XY and Z projects, they purchase what is available now.
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Mac Studio vs. Mac Pro Buyer's Guide
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Nope. Sorry but I do know some Video Editors and they need often machines that do complex Video editing tasks 24/7. So they created e.g. Final Cut tasks and start them to process terabytes of material. First they used XServe machines and switched to Mac Pro after Apple canceled XServe.
I do not talk about the Insta or Youtube Pro that edits „a Video“. Nice machine for them and will certainly do the job. But as I said AS isn‘t Pro in terms of a Mac Pro or even an iMac Pro.
I didn't say no one upgrades their computers. I said that for the target audience, the overwhelming majority of users do not. There is actually a ton of data captured in the Windows world supporting this. It was something north of 96% of professional computers are never upgraded. If you are investing in a Mac Pro, that is very different than a Mac Studio or iMac Pro. It even has a very different price tag to help remind you. The Studio is not 'the new Mac Pro.' They didn't call it that. You are waiting for a computer they hinted at, but didn't actually announce.
If you personally plan to buy 96% of all Mac Studios made, you have a case. I bet Apple will even listen to your design suggestions. If not, you have to accept that you are not the majority of users. You are not the intended market for this computer. I have upgraded many computers in many ways. I once hired an artist to paint custom artwork onto the case. That didn't make it mainstream. Everyone who saw it marveled, but not enough people did it that he could quit his day job and make a living doing it. I accept the fact that what I wanted was kinda niche. There were other people who wanted it, some even bad enough to pay for it, but even now it isn't common. Apple, Dell, HP, Acer, Lenovo, and even Alienware to not offer the service of painting your personal custom artwork onto a computer you buy from them (I have seen stickers or 'pick from these designs,' but neither of those is what I did).
It is better for a fine grate - think Parmesan cheese where the Mac Pro was a coarser grate. As with other computer applications, make sure you get the right tool for the job you are doing.
Actually what me freaks out, is that Mac Studio have two ssd slots, but you are not able to upgrade it. What is the reason to lock it and why? I understand security for some pentagon in house users. That's shame...
Hoped to buy it, but another waiting and hope for a new Mac Pro... 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Hoped to buy it, but another waiting and hope for a new Mac Pro... 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Do they use both NVME in JBOD RAID to make 8TB drives? Has anyone cracked open an 8TB studio to look?
I agree that I do not like the lockdown, but they had to have a reason to put two slots in there, and I don't recall seeing any 8TB NVME drives, yet.
Maybe OWC will hook us up.
It's also for if a Mac Studio needs to be recycled or something, the SSD can be taken out and shredded. Working for an electronics recycling/reselling company, I learned a lot about this stuff from my boss (and he sure was pleased when I told him about Mac Studios having removable SSDs for that reason!)
I do wonder if Apple has ever gotten one of these back for a refund with cheese residue in it. 😳
Note: MacRumors is re-posting an older thread, so most of the posts before this were from a year ago. 
As Apple was unable to offer the "Extreme" SoC with double the CPU and GPU cores and (presumably) double the RAM of the M2 Ultra, the 2023 Mac Pro is pretty much a 2023 Mac Studio Ultra with PCIe slots and SATA ports. So it seems reasonable to presume that for most users shopping in this part of the market, the Mac Studio Ultra will be the better choice due to it's $3000 lower price.
I would expect the 2023 Mac Pro will appeal mainly to current 2019 Mac Pro users with audio and video equipment connected to PCIe slots and whose software and workloads can move to Apple Silicon and would see a performance improvement because of Apple Silicon.
As Apple was unable to offer the "Extreme" SoC with double the CPU and GPU cores and (presumably) double the RAM of the M2 Ultra, the 2023 Mac Pro is pretty much a 2023 Mac Studio Ultra with PCIe slots and SATA ports. So it seems reasonable to presume that for most users shopping in this part of the market, the Mac Studio Ultra will be the better choice due to it's $3000 lower price.
I would expect the 2023 Mac Pro will appeal mainly to current 2019 Mac Pro users with audio and video equipment connected to PCIe slots and whose software and workloads can move to Apple Silicon and would see a performance improvement because of Apple Silicon.
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Here’s what I say to people: Get a Mac mini with an M2 Pro. Only go to the Studio with Max if you are pretty darn sure you need the extra power. If you aren’t sure if you need the Ultra, you probably don’t and should stick with the Pro or Max. And only get a Mac Pro because you 100% know you need it and need the PCI expansion that the Pro offers.
Trouble is everyone keeps quoting a base price but no one is going to purchase these units with a 1 TB hard drive and many will upgrade ram, which puts you at least $1k up already
If I could use one, I'd buy more RAM and stick with the default SSD size. You can add more and less expensive storage using PCIe cards.
I am looking into getting a Desktop as a interim Mac until my next MacBook upgrade. Both of these are just looking like overkill though. The Mac Mini when it hits M4 is probably the right balance. Currently using a Windows laptop as a desktop replacement with my two monitors.
I think the big question is, will they offer CUDA support in the near term future. If yes, the new Pro will be fantastic for scientific applications. The other big question is, will they sell a compatible polishing cloth for the wheels?
Windows 11 on ARM runs super fast on even my M1 MacBook Pro in Parallels. Unless you need access to specific x86 apps, then Windows 365 is your best option or a cheap Windows laptop on the side.
I’m referring to the ssd on the Mac studio, but in my experience with macs, once the hard drive storage is over 60% filled, there are serious slow downs, and unbearable throttling with 90%. So I’m concerned anything under 2tb is safe. I have 5 external ssd btw as well. Since there is no 3tb option you are already +$1k for the 4tb. It is difficult for me to determine RAM needs bc I’m told these m units are different but with a monitor as well, I am already into $5k!
A question I want to ask, the users buying these high machine, are you creating content thats in the mainstream? Because if its what I am seeing on Amazon Prime and Netflix it doesn't really look like even need one of these, a 2012 Mac Mini should be able to render that kinda work.
What is even the point of the new Mac Pro? Are there even any PCIe cards out there with ARM macOS drivers?? Will any manufacturer even bother, when the only Mac with PCIe slots is this massively niche thing?
A few comments/questions:
1. Why is MR using a year old thread for a new topic? Makes no sense to me.
2. Can the M2 Mac Pro PCIe slots utilize graphics cards?
3. I've read the specs on Apple's website about the Mac Pro using PCIe Gen 4 slots for SSD's that have 26GB/s data rates. Does anyone know what cards those might be?
I have a Mac Studio that's getting about 5GB/s speeds on the internal SSD. Having the MP's extra 20GB/s throughput might be the deciding factor on upgrading from the Studio.
1. Why is MR using a year old thread for a new topic? Makes no sense to me.
2. Can the M2 Mac Pro PCIe slots utilize graphics cards?
3. I've read the specs on Apple's website about the Mac Pro using PCIe Gen 4 slots for SSD's that have 26GB/s data rates. Does anyone know what cards those might be?
I have a Mac Studio that's getting about 5GB/s speeds on the internal SSD. Having the MP's extra 20GB/s throughput might be the deciding factor on upgrading from the Studio.
I don‘t think most people can go wrong with an M2 Pro Mini. I’ve been using the M1 Mini for video editing and software development with no hiccups (so far). While an M* Max Studio will probably be my next machine, the M2 Pro is the sweet spot for most people IMO.