"If Apple allowed the OS to be installed on generic x86 hardware this would all be a non-issue."
Yep. Apple would be gone.
Yep. Apple would be gone.
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Yeah, no company could survive on software revenues alone. Can somebody ring up Bill Gates and let him know?
Yeah, and your post is a prime example of this.
The whole thread is a bit of a troll, but the OP's criticisms are mostly valid if you ask me.
I have been using Apples since the late 80's, owned many from the Performas to the iMacs (several versions), and serviced hundreds of them at my place of work for the last 5 years or so.
- There *have* been quite a few hardware problems this year (more than usual)
- The 20" iMac *is* a POS, and *does* have a terrible screen and awful audio.
I don't think it's the end of the world, and I do think they will likely pick things up again next year, but anyone saying that Apple is not having a very bad year in terms of quality control is just dreaming IMO.
I think it extends to software also. Leopard shipped later (and yet more bug-filled than Tiger did), and had major features pulled just before launch because they still didn't work. All the iPods and the iPhones shipped before the OS was ready, being mostly just a hacked together place-holder until they finished the OS a month or two later. This is all common knowledge.
I usually give Apple 9 or 9.5 out of 10 for quality. This year is definitely an 8 or even a 7.5!
Everyone ganging up on the OP like a bunch of Lemmings won't change the facts. Apple is (shock!) not perfect, least of all *this* year.
What brand do you like?
Im interested to know what brand of computer you do find more reliable and especially innovative?
Im interested to know what brand of computer you do find more reliable and especially innovative?
if you are going to say mac has been having all these major problems in all their departments im going to have to disagree with you. as far as i can tell all the problems have been closely related to the software. also, i hate to break it to you but just consider how many leaps apple has made with leopard compared to tiger. im sorry but the change to tiger os was nothing compared to the jump to leopard. they have completely redesigned their GUI interface to incorporate stacks. Also the way the finder integrates with preview. And lastly the ability to preview what is in side a folder by simply scrolling over it is amazing. What did tiger have a new super advanced spotlight. lets be honest, its just a small number of winer babies crying about a few freezing imacs. you should consider how many aren't freezing.
Nope, that's just silly. If Apple opened their OS to the other vendors then Microsoft would be in even more trouble, Apple would make more money, gobs of it on the OS sales alone, and (the point where you were right) no one would be complaining about Apple hardware.
In fact.... many people, especially professionals, creative pros, consumers, etc. that need/want well designed machines would still be buying Macs and their supposed bad hardware.
Don't forget the X-Box and the amazing games that go with it. If it weren't for Microsoft's push into the gaming world, they'd be high and dry and only supported in the business market. Right now, those are the only two reasons to get a Windows box, for gaming and for large business that have to run on MS software.
Apple really has everything MS does software wise covered, sans those nit picky features. If Apple put out budget machines (for under $1000) all-in-ones and towers; both laptop and desktop models, the only reason anyone would buy machines from other PC vendors
Then what's wrong with the current ones? Apple hasn't been lacking in anything sans the QC. The machines are wicked fast compared to the God awful G4 laptops and much quieter compared to the G5s. They are much more capable and to tell you the truth, the only thing that matters on a machine is the hardware. You aren't going to be doing anything with a mindless machine with enough muscle to move mountains. The only thing that makes any machine worth while is it's software, which Apple cannot and most likely will not be beat in.
The hardware issues become a mute point when you realize how much can be done on a Mac with its software.
I agree, as well, that a fix should be in the works. However, I don't believe it's nearly as bad as some people are making it out to be. As many people have pointed out...a forum where most people are coming for help and complaining about a mac problem is probable not the best sample of people.
It's almost like walking into the unemployment office, hearing about how no one there can find a job, and walking out assuming most of America is jobless because of the experience you just had.
1. LIke a majority of people have said only small portion of imacs have these "bugs" and glossy display might be the cause of this glare "Problem" you speak of if you hate it so much write to apple on their imac suggestion page (i would give you the link but instead You should look it up yourself)
2.The Tower is awesome The GPU options are another story they're great GPU's but Just because their a little dated you just assume they totally suck (once again write to apple about this on the macpro suggestion page)
3.Why Fix sometin' if it ain't broken?
4.pathetic? NO they are just below your high standard grading system you go by
Apple has improved quality over the years not decreased
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IMO, Apple's design peak (so far) was 2001/2002 -- the initial dual USB iBooks (with aluminum trackpad), the titanium Powerbook, and iMac G4.
Stock prices are nominal and meaningless for comparative purposes. I think you meant to compare market capitalization.
what rot!
why should somebody who can't/doesn't want to build their own machine not have the right to criticise apple!
I think most Hondas look pretty ugly, are you saying because I can't build one better, I haven't got the right to criticise Honda's design?!
A forums for expressing opinion, not necessarily fact.
In some respects I agree with the OP, Apple have let a few problems slip through the net, I'm got a discoloured macbook which is very frustrating for a £1000 computer... But I don't have the non machine using time to send it for repair.
I also agree that Apple Computers need to expand rapidly to compensate for the expansion of Apple Inc into gadgets..
Seriously guys, hes not been rude, maybe a little provocative with the title 'Macs suck' on a mac forum
Give the guy a break
I agree, but the titanium book's design was definitely trumped by the aluminum book we have today. I do agree that we could use a refresh in the form of what the MacBook offers with it's super smooth case and magnetic latching system. Keep the keyboard the same however.
I think the peak of Apple design was during the 2003 - 2005 years. When the Power Mac G5 was released, the iBook G4 was the budget computer of everyone's dreams, there was a somewhat ultra portable 12" PowerBook G4, the iMac G5 begged the question "where's the rest of the computer?" and a college student could get a PowerMac G5 Dual core for well under $2000 ($1800 here in the states).
During those years the only thing people complained about was the outrageously slower clock speeds on the PowerPC chips and the overall price of Apple hardware. Either way... I wouldn't trade what we have now for what we had then. I hope Apple gets on the ball with their QC guys (if they even have any) and make sure our stuff works before they ship it.
For the designs now, the iPhone and iPod Touch are about as new as it gets. All of the refreshed cases are okay, but what really makes me satisfied is that we are at the climax of a tech period and Apple is giving us the products we need. The iPod Classic will probably be the last best iPod released. A 160GB iPod is amazing! The touch, the new Nanos, the iPhone, all products that we could have only dreamed of 2 years ago. Dual Core laptops with 4GB of RAM, an iMac that actually plays high-end 3D games like a champ, games that actually come out when the PC versions do...
Not to mention the software, the software, the software!
The audio is exactly the same as you find on the vasy majority of PC motherboards.
Realtek is pretty much the industry standard chip for onboard sound.
As for being a POS, er, no it isn't. And I've been using it since August 7th.
what rot!
why should somebody who can't/doesn't want to build their own machine not have the right to criticise apple!
I think most Hondas look pretty ugly, are you saying because I can't build one better, I haven't got the right to criticise Honda's design?!
A forums for expressing opinion, not necessarily fact.
In some respects I agree with the OP, Apple have let a few problems slip through the net, I'm got a discoloured macbook which is very frustrating for a £1000 computer... But I don't have the non machine using time to send it for repair.
I also agree that Apple Computers need to expand rapidly to compensate for the expansion of Apple Inc into gadgets..
Seriously guys, hes not been rude, maybe a little provocative with the title 'Macs suck' on a mac forum
Give the guy a break
It takes a lot of work to run a big company, Apple or Honda. Design, manufacturing, marketing, support, all while trying to turn a profit for the people that actually own the company. Not everyone is going to be happy. And Apple surely didn't set out to screw over the OP or anyone else.
You have every right to criticize Apple or any other company, but unless you put yourself in their shoes your complaints are going to sound a little hollow.
It is a free market - you do have other choices.
Yeah, and your post is a prime example of this.
The whole thread is a bit of a troll, but the OP's criticisms are mostly valid if you ask me.
I have been using Apples since the late 80's, owned many from the Performas to the iMacs (several versions), and serviced hundreds of them at my place of work for the last 5 years or so.
- There *have* been quite a few hardware problems this year (more than usual)
- The 20" iMac *is* a POS, and *does* have a terrible screen and awful audio.
I don't think it's the end of the world, and I do think they will likely pick things up again next year, but anyone saying that Apple is not having a very bad year in terms of quality control is just dreaming IMO.
I think it extends to software also. Leopard shipped later (and yet more bug-filled than Tiger did), and had major features pulled just before launch because they still didn't work. All the iPods and the iPhones shipped before the OS was ready, being mostly just a hacked together place-holder until they finished the OS a month or two later. This is all common knowledge.
I usually give Apple 9 or 9.5 out of 10 for quality. This year is definitely an 8 or even a 7.5!
Everyone ganging up on the OP like a bunch of Lemmings won't change the facts. Apple is (shock!) not perfect, least of all *this* year.
I agree that Apple's QC has been very lacking these past few years, but there aren't widespread issues that many posters claim. In fact, much of the QC issues are cosmetic. My MBP Core 2 Duo has a few construction flaws in the case and the latch sticks to no end, but it works perfectly and isn't worth sending it back to Apple to fix. I need it to do work, and it does just that. The SR MBP screen issues are way over rated, and most posters that complain about it don't have any knowledge of what a screen is supposed to look like, or know how to effectively and professionally color edit/manage/control their photos/screens/environments any how, so their complaints are juvenile at best.
The 20" iMac has been perfect since its inception back in the days of the G4 chips. There is nothing wrong with on a general level or even on a case by case basis that expands beyond the average level of QC issues. Most electronics either work or they don't, and any user can determine that within the first few seconds of using it. If it doesn't work, send it back, don't keep it around and bash the company for something that happens in every area of technology.
As for the audio, the same thing applies with every machine you'd buy. You want good audio, get 5.1 speakers. If you want perfect audio get a pair of professional studio monitors and a subwoofer. I would never use the stock speakers on any machine PC or MAC for watching movies or playing games, they all suck. You can get a great pair of BOSE speakers for $100 or $150 with the sub and there are even better options out their besides BOSE.
I would give this years QC an 8.5. Things could be better for everyone, but I nor anyone I know has been burned by Apple's QC. I am sorry for those that have issues, but you are making a big deal out of nothing.
Well blow me down and call me Betsy! Stock price is the only indication of a company's health! Man, that Microsoft must be in REAL dire straits! Their stock price is one tenth of Apple's! And Google is nearly $700! They're the most powerful company IN THE WORLD!!!!!1!11
Sailing into the sunset....
They don't make'm like they used to.
Tha Mac Classic screens were great!
Tell me about it... I wish that everything was built to the standards and high quality of the ENIAC, or at least the Commodore 64. Those were the days.
The iMac had it's design peak with the floating-screen model. And the bubble one before was iconic and people still remember it. The most memorable iBook was the plastic rounded ones in 5 colors.
The best you can say about the newer, plainer cases is that they are cheaper to manufacture. Apple took all the fun out of the Mac hardware to keep the price down. As a Mac fan I would rather they hadn't done that.
The best you can say about the newer, plainer cases is that they are cheaper to manufacture. Apple took all the fun out of the Mac hardware to keep the price down. As a Mac fan I would rather they hadn't done that.