I wasn't arguing with you that's an '07 so mines older than yours. To be fair though my Latitude is and '09 and it's chugging along just fine too.
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Mac vs PC when it comes to Music and Editing. Trying to understand why...
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I wasn't arguing with you that's an '07 so mines older than yours. To be fair though my Latitude is and '09 and it's chugging along just fine too.
That because you can never reach them, or you get re-routed to infinity. Been there, done that. Did not enjoy Limbo... Most people that I know quit calling due to the lack of assistance that exists for self manufactured Pro systems. If you wish to pay $10,000 for an Oracle mini-system and their on call status, be my guest.
And you just proved Why the majority of people that Do make the switch to Apple, stay. They know how to fix their machines hardware when it has a crap OS, so it's easy as pie with a pleasant one. Again, you can't exactly compare Software vs Hardware. Two different markets exist within each of these catagories- commercial and everyday consumer. If you consider the possibility of missing out on a sales due to database failure, the answer is simple to a professional. The Pro's have spoken; whether you choose to listen is up to your ego.
Gamers survival does not depend on the consistency of their system, and Professionals do not typically depend on whether they have frame rate drop when battling X character in whatever game on Ultimate Extreme Carnage. The exception being professional game testers. If you know your priorities, the system that makes life easier will choose you. The combo of gaming and OS X led me to a late model Mac Pro Tower, and I couldn't be happier. BTW, you spent more than I did on your $1100 rig, but I found a screaming deal. You may have faster RAM and PCIe 3.0, but I have dual processors with an effective CPU clock of 70.32 Mhz, 24MB L3, and up to 128GB RAM-great for keeping frame rates solid... You have to buy the newest 5th Gen i7 to get into that neighborhood for a single processor. Yes, I do know this a server grade machine, but similar manufactured systems will run in $3-$5K; in the same retail price point as Mac Pros.
Apple is king of customer service because of their willingness to replace the hardware that fails in their newer devices (sometimes beyond the warranty date), not necessarily the software support; though they have a plethora of that as well. That is typically used by the everyday consumer market that only wishes for the shiniest object on the shelf. This is the same mentality you are approaching the cost/benefit of a new gaming rig.
Also, Google Play? Really? You think none of us have ever used an Android? I literally GAVE all that stuff away, because no one would buy it. I've recouped on almost Every Apple item that been re-sold.
Also, Androids Do Not communicate with a PC Anywhere near as much as a iPhone to OS X. The only comparison that can come even close is a Windows Phone to Windows 8.1/10TP.
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Wow. So your solution to solving those 'minor' Win OS problems is a complete reinstall?
Seriously? I remember those. Lost days of my life to reinstalling Windows. Never again.
Seriously? I remember those. Lost days of my life to reinstalling Windows. Never again.
Most of it is a culture thing pass on from early years of Apple having a massive hold in the creative area in computers. Also Apple still has some very popular OSX exclusive software as well.
last i checked everyone will tell you that it is recommended to reinstall windows once every 6-12 months since it becomes slower over time. now i'm sure Mac doesn't have that issue since everyone praises Mac from their solid reliability but at the end of the day the Apple Tax does exist because Macs cost double a Windows PC and anyone that is smart enough knows that you can call someone up and pay them to reinstall windows if your the general consumer that doesn't know how and it still comes out cheaper than paying double price for a Mac. And your general consumer has that lame "Backup Disc" which is a joke to begin with but at least the windows consumer has a way to get windows back to how it was before the crashes without even having to pay someone.
The Apple Tax exist for a reason and it has to do with the fact that you are paying double just to have piece of mind since they take care of all hardware and software. anyone that is remotely smart doesn't fall for that trap. but whatever if i have to sell and support a Mac because someone wants to get ripped off from a Mac then oh well.... so be it.
Sure Apple has better editing but like i said before any Windows PC can trade blows with Apple and the Mac.
And this thing about "Oh i have a business so i can't have any downtime so i rely on Apple to fix it quickly" is invalid because i can build 2 Windows PC for the price of 1 Mac and have the second one as my backup so that if it goes down i have the other one ready to go because it never gets used unless the first one goes down.
Again it's the Apple Tax wither you like it or not.
iMac released in 2014 $2500:
3.5 GHz (i5-4690) Intel Core i5 with 6 MB shared L3 cache
8 GB RAM
AMD Radeon R9 M290X with 2GB of GDDR5 SDRAM
My PC ($1113):
i5-4690k
8 GB 2133 RAM
290x Tri-X
Asus Z97m Plus Motherboard
please i can eat the lame hardware that Apple gives you guys and charges doubles.
I have no editing experience but if i did i can easily eat those hardware Specs for lunch with photoshop.
3.5 GHz (i5-4690) Intel Core i5 with 6 MB shared L3 cache
8 GB RAM
AMD Radeon R9 M290X with 2GB of GDDR5 SDRAM
My PC ($1113):
i5-4690k
8 GB 2133 RAM
290x Tri-X
Asus Z97m Plus Motherboard
please i can eat the lame hardware that Apple gives you guys and charges doubles.
I have no editing experience but if i did i can easily eat those hardware Specs for lunch with photoshop.
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Thats your problem. You are comparing WHOLESALE PARTs vs a MANUFACTURED PRODUCT. You aren't paying for ANY labor. Run a business, and these things become apparent. When a business owner bills at say $600 an hour, is it Really worth their time to stop and build a machine?
YOU can't do anything against those specs. Your machine can. You are just an operator.
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You have now agreed that a Apple provides better editing. That was your question, right?
In my responding post I explained from a professional's perspective of why we, for the majority of the time, choose Mac.
Even when it comes to being a business, if you have a proper System Admin, it does not take that long to refresh a system's software. I can image a Mac with a fresh install of OS X, all the creative software, plug-ins and tools needed and have the user back to work in 20 minutes. This is done with DeployStudio, over the network.
A business pays Admins like me to make sure their systems are up and running and stay that way. They pay people like me to build relationships with vendors that in the event of hardware failure they are provided a loaner machine until the machine they own or have leased is repaired.
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Don't worry i will have my own business in a few years. one where people DON"T GET RIPPED OFF!!!!!!
HA-HA, thats the nature of business buddy! Enjoy your six months before you run out of funding because you have No idea how to sell a computer, because you can't comprehend how to compare them. You find the peak price someone will pay for a product before the price impacts the quantity of sales of that product; presuming that availability and storage are not limiting factors.
BTW, I was talking about pitting your rig against mine, but I could see how you would Completely avoid that...
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For me, this is what it's all about.
When the OS and the computer behind it doesn't get in the way and I can just create and make new fun stuff instead.
(I'm still on Mavericks, btw
)It is a 5k Display and yet i can still go and get a 4K Monitor for $600. hell i can buy 2 4K Monitors and still pay less than the weak iMac.
5K means nothing when 99% of the world still uses 1080p or lower then 0.99% of the world uses 4K and the last 0.01% are the ones using 5K because they have an iMac.
iMac and Apple products were designed to be the only way to show how big your wallet is. that is all it was designed for. If i was a millionaire the last thing i would do is spend $2500 for a 5K display when i can get 2 4K Monitors and the same hardware for less money. but then again if i was a millionaire i would have a $25,000 PC with at least 3 4K Monitors with a big screen size that would still eat your little 5K display.
5K means nothing when 99% of the world still uses 1080p or lower then 0.99% of the world uses 4K and the last 0.01% are the ones using 5K because they have an iMac.
iMac and Apple products were designed to be the only way to show how big your wallet is. that is all it was designed for. If i was a millionaire the last thing i would do is spend $2500 for a 5K display when i can get 2 4K Monitors and the same hardware for less money. but then again if i was a millionaire i would have a $25,000 PC with at least 3 4K Monitors with a big screen size that would still eat your little 5K display.
You really have no regard for the planet do you? Performance is a direct result of the resource put into it. You get more out of a Mac for the minimal resource put into it. Period. That why it costs more. Period.
As you yourself stated- 99% of people don't need a rig like yours and once you reach that apex, Windows begins to win out for overall brute strength due to Apple trying to extend battery life on mobile devices. BUT, MP Towers are far superior to the majority of gamers systems out there (if they have upgraded their GPU's), whether the norm PC gamer wishes to admit it or not.
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For me, this is what it's all about.
When the OS and the computer behind it doesn't get in the way and I can just create and make new fun stuff instead.
(I'm still on Mavericks, btw
From a creatives position that is what we all feel. Provide me a set of tools that work and stay working. Let me focus on my work, let me anguish over the quality of what I create and not bicker about how grand my tools are, or fall short.
A true creator can never blame the failure of his work on his tools, only for the lack of time, effort and experience he has placed in his work.
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Your 4K display at that price is not going to be color accurate, not in a professional requirements.
5K does matter. I have just provided consultation to a number of local media creators who are preparing to start shooting and editing by end of year their content 6K and 8K. If you have not heard of RED Cinema you should look them up.
Do you even realize how much bandwidth is required just to edit that resolution of content? You have to have extremely high speed disks just to edit that kind of content.
I am now advising shops that do marketing to instead move to farming the exported edits with solutions from AVID or ProMAX.
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You guys are the ones that keep insiting that i'm trolling when i'm not. I'm here to be educated on Mac. You guys are the ones who keep going off topic and that is why the discussion has entered the hardware debate rather than the software debate.
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i still wouldn't buy a Gold Apple Watch. hell i still wouldn't buy even the cheapest Apple Watch. Especially when Android Watches also work with iPhones....
how come Apple didn't allow the apple watch to work on both android and iphone like it works with Mac and Windows on their PCs.
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Too bad there is no Troll Toll here; you'd be well on your way to that million before long. But please do let us know when you get your second gold Apple watch. Then and only then will we be impressed.
i still wouldn't buy a Gold Apple Watch. hell i still wouldn't buy even the cheapest Apple Watch. Especially when Android Watches also work with iPhones....
how come Apple didn't allow the apple watch to work on both android and iphone like it works with Mac and Windows on their PCs.
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YOU keep mentioning Hardware. My system this. My system that. Your system is just one of a million out there. You need to sit down and experience OS X BEFORE you ever try and bash on something, else you will have a bias opinion and get the responses you have received. You don't know so you cannot have an opinion to base anything on.
Not really sure What I said to imply the U.S. is the center of whatever, but I've spent more time abroad in the last decade then at home, so please re-adjust your fire.
IF it's really not you: Don't link or mention another machines spec's again. It's that simple. Peace, I'm done have a nice life.
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but why are they doing 6K and 8K if montiors are only 4K and 5K. like yeah i understand they make things that are ahead of their time but geez you don't see the U.S Government broadcasting their new toys when the general market can't even keep up with what is currently out there. If i was red cinema i would be more focused on 4K and 5K then once the market has accepted 4K and 5K would i proceed to go higher than 5K.
Quoted from Wikipedia: "Although 8K will not be a mainstream resolution anytime soon, a major reason filmmakers are pushing for 8K cameras is to get better 4K footage. Through a process called downsampling, using a higher resolution 8K image downsampled to 4K could create a sharper picture with richer colors than a 4K camera would be able to achieve on its own with a lower resolution sensor."
As an editor, you will want to be able to view what you have at native resolution whenever possible. having a 5K monitor allows you to review your 4K content at it's native resolution with space to spare for color and timestamp markers not impeding on your subject frame.
There are reasons for things in the industry. It is not all about charging big money, it is about pushing the limits of your field and knowing how to use the tools that provide you that edge can mean the difference whether you exist in a year, or 6 months. It can mean the difference whether your potential client thinks you're capable of shaping and supporting their needs now and in the future.
Working environments dictate why a certain professional would prefer one platform over another.
I was exclusively a Windows user up until I started film school. I became very interested in film editing and continue to do it as a secondary source of income today. Anyway, around that time, Apple had acquired a software package from Macromedia called "Key Grip", which would be rebranded by Apple as Final Cut Pro. Final Cut Pro gained a ton of traction in the post production industry because it was an affordable NLE that could run on computers that normal consumers could afford (in this case, Macs). Back then, editing machines from Avid were hideously expensive and required dedicated hardware accelerators.
Final Cut Pro was a BIG deal back then because the software could be had for under $2,000 and it ran very well on $2,000-3,000 PowerMacs. In a lot of ways, it was easier to use than an Avid. It opened a gateway for indie filmmakers to cut movies on their own computers and not have to invest at least five figures on an editing suite.
During my years at film school, I became very accustomed to using Mac OS X and eventually found myself preferring it over Windows. Everything just made a lot more sense to me from a user experience standpoint - and that's a huge reason why I continue to buy Macs today. Many creative professionals are in this same camp. They're accustomed to using Macs and thus prefer them over Windows machines.
Admittedly, specs are important to certain degree (especially when your workflow relies on having certain things), but they only paint part of the overall picture. Suffice it to say, I still have a dedicated Windows box for gaming because well, gaming on the Mac in a lot of cases blows...
But to simply say that "Macs are better for editing" is a pretty misinformed argument today. Many popular post production packages are cross-platform and generally behave/perform the same way on either platform. So from there, it all comes down to preference. For getting work done, I still prefer a Mac, even though I have several respected colleagues that do their work on Windows machines. There's no judgment. Again, it's all about what you're most comfortable with.
I was exclusively a Windows user up until I started film school. I became very interested in film editing and continue to do it as a secondary source of income today. Anyway, around that time, Apple had acquired a software package from Macromedia called "Key Grip", which would be rebranded by Apple as Final Cut Pro. Final Cut Pro gained a ton of traction in the post production industry because it was an affordable NLE that could run on computers that normal consumers could afford (in this case, Macs). Back then, editing machines from Avid were hideously expensive and required dedicated hardware accelerators.
Final Cut Pro was a BIG deal back then because the software could be had for under $2,000 and it ran very well on $2,000-3,000 PowerMacs. In a lot of ways, it was easier to use than an Avid. It opened a gateway for indie filmmakers to cut movies on their own computers and not have to invest at least five figures on an editing suite.
During my years at film school, I became very accustomed to using Mac OS X and eventually found myself preferring it over Windows. Everything just made a lot more sense to me from a user experience standpoint - and that's a huge reason why I continue to buy Macs today. Many creative professionals are in this same camp. They're accustomed to using Macs and thus prefer them over Windows machines.
Admittedly, specs are important to certain degree (especially when your workflow relies on having certain things), but they only paint part of the overall picture. Suffice it to say, I still have a dedicated Windows box for gaming because well, gaming on the Mac in a lot of cases blows...
But to simply say that "Macs are better for editing" is a pretty misinformed argument today. Many popular post production packages are cross-platform and generally behave/perform the same way on either platform. So from there, it all comes down to preference. For getting work done, I still prefer a Mac, even though I have several respected colleagues that do their work on Windows machines. There's no judgment. Again, it's all about what you're most comfortable with.
I used to be like you in regards to thinking Apple was low spec'd and over priced.
My employer bought me my first iMac in 2013. After about a month of use I went out and bought own for home. It was just such a joy to use. Currently I wouldn't even consider buying/building a Windows based machine. And that Apple tax you mention although not very accurate is something I'd gladly pay for the experience.
Your comparison here is Apples to oranges. The iMac includes a 5k monitor, front facing camera, speakers, microphone, bluetooth keyboard, blue tooth mouse/track pad, and the OS in that price. Add those things to your system and price exceeds the iMac. And thats ignoring the rest of the software that comes with OS X. And never mind the time you had to take assembling the machine and setting it up. If you enjoy that as a hobby thats one thing however some of us find things like that incredibly boring/obnoxious.
Usefulness of a 5k monitor is irreplaceable for professional use as you can edit 4k with your tools on screen. And on a non professional level things just look amazing just like 4k vs 1440p....just even better.
You are looking at this from a "buying parts" perspective however we are "buying an experience". I know that sounds corny but I see value in things like that now a days.
I guess that makes mine the "elder statesman"! Typing at the moment on the 2006 MBP. When Apple first switched to Intel. Some may remember the 1.67 was the bottom model but there was a problem and "we" were all upgraded to 1.83!
To keep this inline with this strange thread, I have the following apps on this MBP:
1. Avid Media Composer 5.5
2. Shake 4.1
3. FCP 7
4. Color 1.5.3
5. Digital Performer 7.2.4
6. Protools 8
7. Kontakt 5
So the idea that Mac laptops only last 2-3 years is funny!
Not to mention everyone always says how PC's are best for playing games on. With threads like this, an old MBP is very capable of playing this game of "Troll Hunting"!
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You have any idea, what type of display you would get for 600$?
Have you got any idea about diferences between IPS and TN display? Have you got any idea of 10 and 8 bit color gamut?
You posts show that you want to make your own business without ANY knowledge about quality.
Performance from PC is ripped of, if you will have to start over and over again, if your software crashes on your gaming PC.
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