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digitalfx

macrumors 6502a
Jul 18, 2007
715
215
No, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the issue of which many threads exist in this forum. A core shuts down when watching video (not flash) on an external display and kernel_task uses ~60% CPU, which results in very low framerates. The core comes back (and kernel_task goes down to normal levels) the second I close the video, so this can't have anything to do with temperature, as the temperature wouldn't go down that quickly.

There is a 20$ solution with lowering the voltage, but I prefer a free, Apple-approved fix.

I watch full length features on my MBA full screen all the time and have never had an issue. They play perfectly.
 

TxMacAddict

macrumors 6502
Feb 4, 2008
372
0
This round of updates fixed something on my Air. Not seeing my wi-fi connection dropping out constantly like it used to. Seems like all the problems I was having are gone now.

Thanks :apple:
 

ozthegweat

macrumors regular
Feb 20, 2007
247
229
Switzerland
I watch full length features on my MBA full screen all the time and have never had an issue. They play perfectly.

On an external display? I also watched movies full screen without problems on the internal display, but with an external display connected, that's a different story.

And yes, there are knowledge base articles concerning core shutdown with heavy GPU use, but this still doesn't explain why kernel_task goes up to ~60% CPU usage. If there would be just a core shutdown, that wouldn't be that much of a problem. But with such a high CPU usage, video framerate goes down to about 5 to 10 fps.
 

digitalfx

macrumors 6502a
Jul 18, 2007
715
215
On an external display? I also watched movies full screen without problems on the internal display, but with an external display connected, that's a different story.

Since I consider the MBA as a ultraportable, I never considered using this w/ an external monitor to watch movies. I use it when traveling and as my daily portable.
 

masterpace

macrumors regular
Mar 24, 2008
129
11
Montreal
I've installed that new EFI firmware. For sure, it improves things. It seems like Windows can handle CPU intense applications more easily. And, it seems to overheat a bit less. Now, instead of throttling down to 200 MHz (Windows XP), it goes down to 366 MHz. That's some kind of improvement. But still, I could manage to make the CPU throttle with a 4 years old shooter in Windows. So, there's still need for improvement.
 

dezeinstein

macrumors member
Jun 23, 2003
67
36
Los Angeles
Fan going nuts after EFI update

I just installed the EFI update and my fan has been pegged at 6200 rpm ever since. Restart did not help - anyone else having this issue?
 

1appleAday

macrumors regular
Mar 27, 2008
195
0
I just installed the EFI update and my fan has been pegged at 6200 rpm ever since. Restart did not help - anyone else having this issue?

my experience is somewhat the opposite. my fan used to max out for like 10 min after i watched youtube. now it comes down much quicker. also, overall the machine runs cooler as well
 

WilliamG

macrumors G4
Mar 29, 2008
10,007
3,894
Seattle
Update fixed my battery charging issue. At least it appears to. A full charge was taking me over 8 hours. Now it's 4 hours! Sweet.
 

WilliamG

macrumors G4
Mar 29, 2008
10,007
3,894
Seattle
I am seeing the same thing. Hopefully, it will stay this way :)

It's funny because I was LITERALLY on the phone to Apple about this when I nonchalantly clicked the Software Update button, and it found the firmware. While I was on hold, I had installed and rebooted the MacBook Air and saw the time to charge dropped from 7:45 to 3:29 (from 20%-or-so charge). I hung up. :)

**EDIT**

Seems like I may have been wrong. Now it's at 40% with 5:35 till charged. Weird....
 

BryanLyle

macrumors 6502a
Aug 2, 2005
727
43
It's funny because I was LITERALLY on the phone to Apple about this when I nonchalantly clicked the Software Update button, and it found the firmware. While I was on hold, I had installed and rebooted the MacBook Air and saw the time to charge dropped from 7:45 to 3:29 (from 20%-or-so charge). I hung up. :)

**EDIT**

Seems like I may have been wrong. Now it's at 40% with 5:35 till charged. Weird....

Mine was doing great, until it hit 75%. It went from 55 minutes until fully charged to 2 hours and 18 minutes to fully charged. Enough of this trickle stuff. Charge the battery. How hard could this be to figure out :) Grrrr.
 

WilliamG

macrumors G4
Mar 29, 2008
10,007
3,894
Seattle
Mine was doing great, until it hit 75%. It went from 55 minutes until fully charged to 2 hours and 18 minutes to fully charged. Enough of this trickle stuff. Charge the battery. How hard could this be to figure out :) Grrrr.

This is beyond annoying. I can't believe I go to bed at around midnight and when I leave at around 8am, the battery still isn't charged! GAH!!
 

WilliamG

macrumors G4
Mar 29, 2008
10,007
3,894
Seattle
Now I'm really confused. The system is now saying 2:11 to full charge from 53% charged. That's more normal, but what's with the fluctuations?
 

n0de

macrumors 6502
Feb 3, 2005
321
0
My fan maxed out after the EFI update as well. I was not having other problems so I cannot address them.

I would really like to see the change doc, but the KB link still does not work....
 

rom

macrumors regular
Jun 7, 2006
101
0
I was hoping that Apple would tweak the thermal profiles. My MacBook seems to need a higher temperature before the fans spin up now as well.

I do not think that it is fair to compare the Macbook Air with the Macbook because they have different designs. If the form factor and size were the same, then it is a fair comparison.
 

Eidorian

macrumors Penryn
Mar 23, 2005
29,190
386
Indianapolis
I do not think that it is fair to compare the Macbook Air with the Macbook because they have different designs. If the form factor and size were the same, then it is a fair comparison.
I'm not making a comparison. I'm only stating what changes I've noticed in my MacBook.

I'll let the actual MacBook Air owners state what they've witnessed as well.
 

teek

macrumors member
Feb 12, 2008
88
0
Norway
Well it seems to have helped on the temperatures a little, and I can finally run Windows XP in VMWare Fusion without the fans going full blast, actually they're at 2500rpm :) Nice :) :apple:
 

dzhiurgis

macrumors member
Original poster
May 29, 2007
37
3
This is beyond annoying. I can't believe I go to bed at around midnight and when I leave at around 8am, the battery still isn't charged! GAH!!

You need to reset PRAM - do the COPS procedure:) turn the darn thing off, plugin to charge and press Control-Option-Power-Shift. Hold for like 10-30 seconds. Start the darn thing again and you are done.
 

aussieinrome

macrumors regular
Apr 5, 2008
179
0
Rome, Italy.
This update did nothing to my MBA except add one second to the shutdown time, instead of two seconds it now takes three - my battery charge time is still quick, like it was before. I never had a problem with wifi and in my office we have the worst wifi and my MBA is the only computer that doesn't drop out.
 

BryanLyle

macrumors 6502a
Aug 2, 2005
727
43
You need to reset PRAM - do the COPS procedure:) turn the darn thing off, plugin to charge and press Control-Option-Power-Shift. Hold for like 10-30 seconds. Start the darn thing again and you are done.

I wish that worked on my system. I've reset my PRAM several times and it's never made a difference. I talked to AppleCare last week about this and they told me it was "normal".
 

jjahshik32

macrumors 603
Sep 4, 2006
5,366
52
Man am I glad that I returned the macbook air before my 2 weeks was up and will happily wait for next rev. b with 45nm and more features. And hopefully the fan issue/cpu/heat issue gets addressed. =D
 

WilliamG

macrumors G4
Mar 29, 2008
10,007
3,894
Seattle
Man am I glad that I returned the macbook air before my 2 weeks was up and will happily wait for next rev. b with 45nm and more features. And hopefully the fan issue/cpu/heat issue gets addressed. =D

LOL. And we'll all be enjoying our MBAs while you wait. And then when you're disappointed in the next revision, we'll still be enjoying our MBAs. :p
 

jjahshik32

macrumors 603
Sep 4, 2006
5,366
52
LOL. And we'll all be enjoying our MBAs while you wait. And then when you're disappointed in the next revision, we'll still be enjoying our MBAs. :p

Lol, you mean you'll be selling the current mba's on ebay when the newer much cooler, non loud fan, 45nm, fw400/800 port (I believe there will be fw because of the more features could be added with more room with the 45nm architecture, maybe the air vent moved to the top portion like the mbs and mbps, ssd's will be cheaper so no need for 4200rpm, or we could be all surprised and apple shrinks the next revision of the mba with the montevina platform (which I think is more likely).

I've learned from time to time that revision a has always some problems and that rev. b is always far better, it was true with the powerbooks first rev. g3,g4 and I even owned the mbp core duo 1.83ghz rev. a with the inverter/heat/fan issues as well.

But if your satisfied with your mba then by all means enjoy it but for others like me who returned it or waiting for rev. b, I'm 100% positive it will be much better in performance/features as to the current mba.

I believe rev. a machines are always the "beta" machines to see what the public would want more features on and pretty much implement it on the next revision. Same was as the mbp when there was no fw800 and then next revision magically appeared as well as the dual layer burners too.

One thing to note is that I met with someone who used to work for apple (now ironically works for microsoft) from cupertino that was vacationing down here in houston texas. We actually met up because he was interested in buying my 17" mbp the rev. b model the 2nd iteration after the switch to intel back a year ago that I listed on craigslist that he wanted for his sister.

Anyways we met up at starbucks and had a good long chat about how things worked in Apple and why he moved to microsoft and he was in the engineering department in cupertino. I asked him about whats up with the rev. a and he responded to me with a bit of a laughter, "oh you mean the beta or prototype machine?"

Anyways long story short, he told me and even warned me from buying rev. a machines because he did tell me that they always dont fully add all the features in rev. a machines because usually its so new in development that apple kind of puts it out there to see how well it sells + what users want/cry about to add in their next revision, which he saids its what the final real production is.

He did tell me the reason why he moved to microsoft is that microsoft actually take better care of him/treats him better and their not stingy... that's just from his own words.
 
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