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mikethebigo

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My results are now starting to seem very unusually low…
Are you running on power, with no applications running, a few minutes after a reboot when the system has cooled to about 35C?
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OpenCL / Metal
36256 / 37240
35985 / 37489
36278 / 37468
Too bad I'm too cheap to pay for my metal score :p

So your OpenCL is just a tiny bit faster than mine, but I think I can live with that.
 

SBruv

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Are you running on power, with no applications running, a few minutes after a reboot when the system has cooled to about 35C?

No apps running, as I've tried it in Safe Mode, but I didn't leave time for cooling, no. I'll give that a go later…
 

mikethebigo

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No apps running, as I've tried it in Safe Mode, but I didn't leave time for cooling, no. I'll give that a go later…
Yeah I'd say give it at least 5 minutes after a fresh boot, as right when you get in the CPU is still at about 55C from the bootup process.
 

SBruv

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Yeah I'd say give it at least 5 minutes after a fresh boot, as right when you get in the CPU is still at about 55C from the bootup process.

Cold booted in Safe Mode. Four runs...

5217 17077
5263 17124
5290 16969
5320 17091

:-/
 

estabya

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Cold booted in Safe Mode. Four runs...

5217 17077
5263 17124
5290 16969
5320 17091

:-/

I am still unsure why you are so obsessed with how your Mac is performing on Geekbench. Maybe the silicon lottery didn't treat you so well, but even so the scores you are presenting are not far enough off to be alarmed.

Your average single core score is 5273, which is 3% faster than the 5117 reported for the machine on Geekbench's site.
Your average multi core score is 17065, which is 3% slower than the 17590 reported on the Geekbench site.

Those results are 100% reasonable and well within the margin of reason when you consider the margin of error for the benchmark and the fact that your chip isn't going to perform the exact same as any other.


Do some real world tests and see how it performs there. If you aren't happy with the machine then return it while you still can. I am guessing you didn't buy the machine solely for running Geekbench over and over again and being disappointed in the results.
 

mikethebigo

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Cold booted in Safe Mode. Four runs...

5217 17077
5263 17124
5290 16969
5320 17091

:-/
How come you're using safe mode? I would just do it in normal fully booted MacOS, 5 minutes after a boot.

That being said. If you continue to see those multicore numbers and it bothers you that much, exchange it! Don't let other people get you down, you paid a lot for this thing and there is a silicon lottery to be played.
 

SBruv

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I am still unsure why you are so obsessed with how your Mac is performing on Geekbench. Maybe the silicon lottery didn't treat you so well, but even so the scores you are presenting are not far enough off to be alarmed.

Your average single core score is 5273, which is 3% faster than the 5117 reported for the machine on Geekbench's site.
Your average multi core score is 17065, which is 3% slower than the 17590 reported on the Geekbench site.

Those results are 100% reasonable and well within the margin of reason when you consider the margin of error for the benchmark and the fact that your chip isn't going to perform the exact same as any other.


Do some real world tests and see how it performs there. If you aren't happy with the machine then return it while you still can. I am guessing you didn't buy the machine solely for running Geekbench over and over again and being disappointed in the results.

Thanks for making the effort to give such an unnecessarily lengthy and ‘bothered’ reply. What gives you the impression that I’m obsessed? I’ve not said anything even vaguely implying that.

I’m simply trying to establish where my machine sits in terms of expected performance. You’re more than welcome to go and read something else.
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How come you're using safe mode? I would just do it in normal fully booted MacOS, 5 minutes after a boot.

That being said. If you continue to see those multicore numbers and it bothers you that much, exchange it! Don't let other people get you down, you paid a lot for this thing and there is a silicon lottery to be played.

Just using Safe Mode as I’ve got a lot of background stuff running on my machine.

But no, it doesn’t bother me enough to exchange.
 

SBruv

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Yeah I'd say give it at least 5 minutes after a fresh boot, as right when you get in the CPU is still at about 55C from the bootup process.

Incidentally, this 55º thing… My CPU never seems to drop below the low-mid 50ºs, no matter how long it's been sitting there doing nothing. Should it?
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Just ran my system 3x.

5,331/18,331

5,397/18,230

5,368/18,367

I had Intel Power Gadget running and did catch a full 4.3 GHz turbo burst :)

What's amazing to me is that even after running a full benchmark the system was still cool enough (55C) that the fans were still off!

I'm also rather intrigued by this. My fans are always on. Right now, for example, my CPU is at 50º and both fans are at 1300rpm. They're inaudible, but iStat gives those numbers. Do yours not really kick in at all at that temp?
 

mikethebigo

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Incidentally, this 55º thing… My CPU never seems to drop below the low-mid 50ºs, no matter how long it's been sitting there doing nothing. Should it?
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I'm also rather intrigued by this. My fans are always on. Right now, for example, my CPU is at 50º and both fans are at 1300rpm. They're inaudible, but iStat gives those numbers. Do yours not really kick in at all at that temp?
I don't run many background processes, we're just talking Safari, iTunes, Mail, Messages, etc. Haven't tested it with my full workload yet as I'll be back to that in August.

With what I'm doing now though, iStat is showing my CPU temp all the way down at 28C with intermittent use. My CPU is idling at 1.2 GHz, and fans are both at 0. They definitely stay off a bit above 40C, not perfectly sure about 50C as I don't see that too often. Possibly your background processes are an issue?
 

SBruv

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I don't run many background processes, we're just talking Safari, iTunes, Mail, Messages, etc. Haven't tested it with my full workload yet as I'll be back to that in August.

With what I'm doing now though, iStat is showing my CPU temp all the way down at 28C with intermittent use. My CPU is idling at 1.2 GHz, and fans are both at 0. They definitely stay off a bit above 40C, not perfectly sure about 50C as I don't see that too often. Possibly your background processes are an issue?

28º?! Dang, mine's never getting anywhere near that, and my fans are on literally all the time. Time to get busy with Activity Monitor, I guess…
 

estabya

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28º?! Dang, mine's never getting anywhere near that, and my fans are on literally all the time. Time to get busy with Activity Monitor, I guess…

What are your ambient temps? That could have a pretty big impact too.
 

upandown

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I haven't been looking at the temps yet, but I must say, I'm pretty impressed my machine stays quite cool with light use. I never hear the fans either. i7 13
 

SBruv

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What are your ambient temps? That could have a pretty big impact too.

Pretty warm here in the UK at the moment. 26º right now. Surely that's not enough to cause this much of a difference..?

CPU never goes below about 50º, fans never turn off (always at 1250 when idle)… I might get a second machine in to compare.
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I haven't been looking at the temps yet, but I must say, I'm pretty impressed my machine stays quite cool with light use. I never hear the fans either. i7 13

Well, I can't hear mine at all either – I only know they're running cos iStat tells me.

Also, running the 'yes' binary, my temperature reading in Power Gadget locks solidly at 99-100º – never drops below that, no matter how hard the fans blow. Other people seem to be getting drops down to about 94-95º, which is what you'd expect.
 

mikethebigo

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I would say that's unusual. More and more I feel like something is going on with your computer. Mine is also sitting 25-26 C (ambient) when I'm getting these temps. My fans really are rarely on. Again, YMMV depending on what tasks you're doing with your system, but it could be a good idea to get another one to compare, you may legit have some kind of defect with your CPU.
 

SBruv

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I would say that's unusual. More and more I feel like something is going on with your computer. Mine is also sitting 25-26 C (ambient) when I'm getting these temps. My fans really are rarely on. Again, YMMV depending on what tasks you're doing with your system, but it could be a good idea to get another one to compare, you may legit have some kind of defect with your CPU.

Bought and picking up in the morning. :)

But yes, these temps and fan activity are all happening constantly, with no tasks being carried out at all beyond the few background activities that can’t be killed, which does seem very strange in comparison to what you’re seeing.

Thanks for your input, anyway! I’ll let you know how the story ends...
 

mikethebigo

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Bought and picking up in the morning. :)

But yes, these temps and fan activity are all happening constantly, with no tasks being carried out at all beyond the few background activities that can’t be killed, which does seem very strange in comparison to what you’re seeing.

Thanks for your input, anyway! I’ll let you know how the story ends...
Looking forward to hearing about it :)

Don't fret in the first few hours of having the machine of course. Spotlight and all that. But it should improve over the course of the day. I'd also suggest setting the Mac up as new instead of using migration assistant, in case you didn't do that last time.
 

Ma2k5

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Did anyone else expect higher scores given it’s a 28w CPU - a lot of 15w CPU laptops are providing similar results.
 

SBruv

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Looking forward to hearing about it :)

Don't fret in the first few hours of having the machine of course. Spotlight and all that. But it should improve over the course of the day. I'd also suggest setting the Mac up as new instead of using migration assistant, in case you didn't do that last time.

Oh, f’sure. I’m going to leave it as new, install GB4, iStat and Power Gadget, and test it fully from there. Once that’s done, assuming it gives better results than the current machine, then I’ll migrate.
 

upandown

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Did anyone else expect higher scores given it’s a 28w CPU - a lot of 15w CPU laptops are providing similar results.
The i7 is quite a bit faster in both single and multi than any 15 watt chip. Same for the i5. Graphics is close however.

Head to head doing intense processing the 15 watt wouldn't be able to keep up. Even though they both throttle the 28 watt can keep higher numbers for longer.
 
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Maven1975

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The i7 is quite a bit faster in both single and multi than any 15 watt chip. Same for the i5. Graphics is close however.

Head to head doing intense processing the 15 watt wouldn't be able to keep up. Even though they both throttle the 28 watt can keep higher numbers for longer.

I dont know about this.

The 15w Razer Blade stealth can keep a 2.8-3.0 turbo. It would be nice to compare the two machines but bootcamp is a total disaster.

IMO, the Razer Blade Stealth or any other competent 15w 8550u will beat the 28w MBP currently in prolonged tests.This is due to Apples reluctance to address throttling in Bootcamp.
 

mikethebigo

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I dont know about this.

The 15w Razer Blade stealth can keep a 2.8-3.0 turbo. It would be nice to compare the two machines but bootcamp is a total disaster.

IMO, the Razer Blade Stealth or any other competent 15w 8550u will beat the 28w MBP currently in prolonged tests.This is due to Apples reluctance to address throttling in Bootcamp.
http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?utf8=✓&q=8550u+razer+blade

These are good scores for that chip but none of them come close to the 5100-5300 single core of the current 28W i7. They do bump right up to the 28W i5 though.

Of course that's not a prolonged test, don't know what happens after a while.
 
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