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MacBook Pro M3: You're Being
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I don't know why but I find him to be extremely annoying.
I don't think so. I usually like his reviews, but this time I think he was off the mark.
He was intimating that other reviewers were somehow downplaying the role of memory access and positioned himself as the purveyor of truth. Every reviewer I've watched did mention this downgrade and discussed it in unflattering to Apple terms.
The fact of the matter, for everyday use M3 Pro is palpably better for everyday use than M2 pro and substantially better than M1 Pro. I just sold my M1 Pro Max and replaced it with 2 machines: M2 Pro 18/1TB/12core and M3Max 48/1TB/16 core. Both machines are substantially more responsive in all tasks. Not to mention other less salient improvements, e.g., brighter screen (with a visibly faster pixel response time), awesome new color, arguably improved battery life.
Memory access speeds -- the channel's main argument for why we are being misled -- matter very little in everyday scenarios. Frankly, I don't think they matter much in other scenarios either. Anandtech published an article when M1s were first released showing that the 400 GB/second speeds were purely theoretical and could not really be achieved in practical applications. Lowering memory bandwidth on M3 and M3 pro might have had as much to do with cutting costs and defining lines of demarkation between M3 chips as with removing superfluous functionality.
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No mention of overall ownership costs. Can't upgrade memory or storage. Battery replacement after 2 years only from apple, minimum $249.
How can people review something without actually covering HOW MUCH THE THING REALLY COSTS?
Just blindly consume?
How can people review something without actually covering HOW MUCH THE THING REALLY COSTS?
Just blindly consume?
Who says it needs a battery replacement after two years?
Buy the storage and RAM you need.
It's just a rule of thumb for 1000 cycles.
If you don't think 2 years, how many years did you plan to get for 1000 cycles when you bought?
Yes. I think the bottom line is that if you have to use instrumentation to measure something then it does not matter to the person using the Mac.
The problem is that benchmarks are too easy, you simply click on the benchmark app and it gives you a number. It is an easy no-brainer. But, using two different computers for a range of tasks for a week and then reporting on how the two computers differ requires real work, time, and thought. We don't see much of that on YouTube.
So tired of these YouTubers talking about how it isn't a "pro" Mac because it isn't specced the way they want it to be for everyone else.
Too much hyperbole in the video for my liking.
Too much hyperbole in the video for my liking.
My 2019 16" is 3 years old now - 324 cycles and 89% health.
Reaching 1000 cycles does not necessarily mean that a battery replacement is needed.
It is more important to use the battery in such a way as to prolong its life, not discharging it below 20 percent and not leaving it at 100 percent (although the reported 100 percent is more like 95 percent of total capacity, Apple software is smart) for too long.
if you keep it plugged in all the time, Mac OS will learn and adjust charging behavior. I just sold my venerable 2019 intel i9 MacBook pro. i bought it in early 2020, and battery cycles were at 445. I was still getting good 4-5 hours out of it under normal load. Granted it was my ancillary machine, used only on occasion, but still 445 cycles after 4 years and 4-5 hours of doing work on an intel MacBook pro is not bad.
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His reviews are usually pretty rigorous. I think he took a wrong turn somewhere doing this one. His mien, however, rubs me the wrong way. Something a little gooey about his presentation.
#1. Great to know that such an expect with 2 Degrees in Computer Science feels the 12 Core M3 Pro is the best CPU.
#2. My M3 Pro 12 Core just has to last 2 years since the lack of WiFi 7 is huge and Thunderbolt 5 should be out next year.
#3. M3 Max 14” Thermal throttles bad. Dodged a bullet there.
Just got done playing DOTA 2 on Max Settings 100+ FPS and StarCraft 2 on Ultra at 1440p both games 100+ FPS
#2. My M3 Pro 12 Core just has to last 2 years since the lack of WiFi 7 is huge and Thunderbolt 5 should be out next year.
#3. M3 Max 14” Thermal throttles bad. Dodged a bullet there.
Just got done playing DOTA 2 on Max Settings 100+ FPS and StarCraft 2 on Ultra at 1440p both games 100+ FPS
I agree. Benchmarks are great and all, but it's the subjective assessment of the machine's performance that matters more to me. And subjectively these machines feel much faster and more responsive than the outgoing generation.
Youtube reviews are very often as much information delivery mechanisms as they are valves for releasing pent up braggadocio and narcissism of content creators, a.k.a influencers.
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Whose rule of thumb? What happened to critical thinking? 1000 cycles in 2 years?! That’s more than one cycle per day. With a 20 hour battery life that’s not even possible if used on battery all the time. Much more common even with heavy use is a couple of cycles per week. Using your 1000 rule that’s 9 years.
He might be conflating iPhone battery longevity with MacBooks'.
The main thing I want to see is not a calculation into how long a battery lasts, but consideration of the fact that it won't last forever before purchase, and a plan of what to do about that before.
That's not the only thing missing from this video though. I'd like to see other things addressed, such as can I use 3rd party bluetooth devices reliably, or will I need to buy apple products, or maybe I can use products from logitech who've paid their apple tax.
In general, does bluetooth still suck on Macs?
There are probably other concerns, but I don't know what they are. These are just my annoyances from owning my first Mac, and I need to know what annoyances are there for the latest gear in order to make my choice. Another example is that the charger cable looks more durable than before, so at least that's a good thing right?
That's not the only thing missing from this video though. I'd like to see other things addressed, such as can I use 3rd party bluetooth devices reliably, or will I need to buy apple products, or maybe I can use products from logitech who've paid their apple tax.
In general, does bluetooth still suck on Macs?
There are probably other concerns, but I don't know what they are. These are just my annoyances from owning my first Mac, and I need to know what annoyances are there for the latest gear in order to make my choice. Another example is that the charger cable looks more durable than before, so at least that's a good thing right?
Bluetooth is fine now. It has always sucked more on windows than on a Mac, by the way. In my experience — and it’s just mice and AirPods Pro — I don’t use other devices, Bluetooth has been rock solid. Of course, ideally, you want your computer’s revision of Bluetooth (currently 5.3) and your attached devices to be on the same version.