I can’t speak to the screen wobble, but I have read up on the power draw issue and it’s only a problem in very specific circumstances:
https://www.windowscentral.com/does-surface-book-2-15-battery-drain
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MacBook Pro vs. Razer 15" vs. Dell XPS 15
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eGPU's made sense when the mobile GPU's were vastly trailing their desktop counterparts. Today not so much, if your purchasing notebook it's for portability. Nvidia notebook 10 series GPU's are simply amazing, if one needs GPU performance better to opt for a notebook with a competent GPU.
As for Apple it's painted itself into yet another corner for the sake of the aesthetic, honestly it's just embarrassing now...
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Been doing the same to replace my rMB (2015).
In addition to the Dell and Razer, I have also been looking at the HUAWEI MateBook X Pro even though it is basically 14".
I have pretty much dropped the MBP from my list as it continually comes in 2nd best or worse.
Absolutely not an easy question to answer. In short more powerful the GPU, smaller the chassis the more noise/throttling one can expect. MSI 15" Raider with 7700HQ & GTX 1060 (6Gb), to me was noisy, Acer Predator with 7700HQ & GTX 1070 is a super quiet, all be it heavy beast. My new Asus GL703GS with GTX 1070 offers by far the best performance, with the feature to switch fan & performance profiles. Basic productivity workflows are near silent, with the fans shutting down. Heavy workloads fans are going to spool up, equally one cant have it both ways, hugely performant & absolute silence.
Such notebooks have a lot of other factors; multiple drives, 32Gb/64Gb RAM options etc. all of which generate heat. Bigger question is do you want or need to get "thing's" done on a portable platform? I do, hence why Apple is now history, bottom line is my notebook's are a function of revenue...
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The HQ versions of the 10x0 GPUs use less power, so one can also assume less heat (and fans). My research has found a number of these laptops do not have fan noise issues.
My recommendation is to buy the base model and upgrade yourself. Unlike the Mac, its an easy upgrade and you get to choose the specific SSD you want.
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Don't you drive servers for a living? I know that Dell in Germany would let individuals purchase through our company/government contract which gave steep discounts. Second whay are you looking at Latitudes and Pro Books computers that are meant for professionals and have the cooling and durability required.
Don't you drive servers for a living? I know that Dell in Germany would let individuals purchase through our company/government contract which gave steep discounts. Second whay are you looking at Latitudes and Pro Books computers that are meant for professionals and have the cooling and durability required.
Yes, but sadly I have no discounts for dell.
As for looking at Lattitudes, I poked around but nothing really grabbed me
The lattitude 5xxx series laptops use spinning hard drives and only 8gb of ram. I'd have to spend even more money to upgrade to SSD and ram. Since the price points of the 5591 is already at the 1500 mark, I don't see any advantages. The 7xxx series uses the U series chipset and so its slower then I'd want, not to mention the largest display option is 14"
I just chatted with Razer. They said that the warranty is 1 year with the possibility to buy an extra year of extended warranty. When I asked them how many times can I extend the warranty, they said only once. When asked what will happen after the 2nd year, they just said that they are sure they would provide support. Will that be sufficiently good given that they do not have a real physical store in my city? Haven't used their products but two year may be a bit short.
What do you think of the following from Razer's support? Does it make sense?
Me (10:39:53 AM):1. If I get a 1TB or 2TB SSD myself, how do I move all the pre-installed software from the SSD which comes with the machine?
System Support (10:40:38 AM):Going back to your concern, our new laptop does not have pre installed programs.
Me (10:41:12 AM):I mean Windows OS and some programs Razer put in as mentioned in the product page.
System Support (10:41:52 AM):The Window OS is already embedded on the laptop itself.
Me (10:42:24 AM)
o you mean even I change the SSD, Windows OS is still in the laptop?
System Support (10:42:35 AM):You got it right!
Me (10:43:02 AM):Which version of Windows is that?
System Support (10:44:25 AM):All of our laptops are using Windows 10 Home edition.
Me (10:44:39 AM):If I want Windows 10 PRO, what should I do?
System Support (10:45:46 AM):You can contact Microsoft if you want to upgrade it to PRO. Once you purchase the upgrade, it will give you another Product key so that you can put it in your laptop and will be upgraded to Windows 10 Pro.
Me (10:47:04 AM):I see. I have not used laptops with Windows OS embedded. What will happen when future version of Windows come out in 2-10 years? Do I need to replace the hardware that Windows 10 OS is embedded?
System Support (10:48:02 AM):You don't need to worry about it, all you need to do is use the new Product key for the Windows version.
Me (10:39:53 AM):1. If I get a 1TB or 2TB SSD myself, how do I move all the pre-installed software from the SSD which comes with the machine?
System Support (10:40:38 AM):Going back to your concern, our new laptop does not have pre installed programs.
Me (10:41:12 AM):I mean Windows OS and some programs Razer put in as mentioned in the product page.
System Support (10:41:52 AM):The Window OS is already embedded on the laptop itself.
Me (10:42:24 AM)
System Support (10:42:35 AM):You got it right!
Me (10:43:02 AM):Which version of Windows is that?
System Support (10:44:25 AM):All of our laptops are using Windows 10 Home edition.
Me (10:44:39 AM):If I want Windows 10 PRO, what should I do?
System Support (10:45:46 AM):You can contact Microsoft if you want to upgrade it to PRO. Once you purchase the upgrade, it will give you another Product key so that you can put it in your laptop and will be upgraded to Windows 10 Pro.
Me (10:47:04 AM):I see. I have not used laptops with Windows OS embedded. What will happen when future version of Windows come out in 2-10 years? Do I need to replace the hardware that Windows 10 OS is embedded?
System Support (10:48:02 AM):You don't need to worry about it, all you need to do is use the new Product key for the Windows version.
What do you think of the following from Razer's support? Does it make sense?
Me (10:39:53 AM):1. If I get a 1TB or 2TB SSD myself, how do I move all the pre-installed software from the SSD which comes with the machine?
System Support (10:40:38 AM):Going back to your concern, our new laptop does not have pre installed programs.
Me (10:41:12 AM):I mean Windows OS and some programs Razer put in as mentioned in the product page.
System Support (10:41:52 AM):The Window OS is already embedded on the laptop itself.
Me (10:42:24 AM)o you mean even I change the SSD, Windows OS is still in the laptop?
System Support (10:42:35 AM):You got it right!
Me (10:43:02 AM):Which version of Windows is that?
System Support (10:44:25 AM):All of our laptops are using Windows 10 Home edition.
Me (10:44:39 AM):If I want Windows 10 PRO, what should I do?
System Support (10:45:46 AM):You can contact Microsoft if you want to upgrade it to PRO. Once you purchase the upgrade, it will give you another Product key so that you can put it in your laptop and will be upgraded to Windows 10 Pro.
Me (10:47:04 AM):I see. I have not used laptops with Windows OS embedded. What will happen when future version of Windows come out in 2-10 years? Do I need to replace the hardware that Windows 10 OS is embedded?
System Support (10:48:02 AM):You don't need to worry about it, all you need to do is use the new Product key for the Windows version.
Your post seems quite off topic to me. But yes, the answers from Razer's support make sense, are even mostly correct, but are understandably a bit short/incomplete.
Why? These are all basic/beginner Windows questions not related to Razer laptops per se, but to any Windows laptop. Whole books could be (and are) written about this subject. If you have specific basic questions about Windows on laptops why don't you start a new thread?
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Not hijack. The thread is about choosing between three brands' laptops. This post is about whether or not Razer is a reliable company which could affects the purchase decision of the OP.
Sorry I was still (re)writing my answer. I already edited the 'hijack' part. But it is still seems off topic to me. Read my answer again. I have put much more info in it.
The thread is about which laptop to choose. I assumed they would not have made it in the OP's top 3 if one of the companies was not reliable.
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I guess a fair number of us are jumping ships so it is a good idea for us to share information about reliability and customer services of different brands. I "try" to like the MBP 2017 and get over it without shopping around. However, I just cannot stand it and TC's way of managing the MBP line. First iPhone issue. Then MBP keyboard issue and now Apple watch issue. Don't plan to go back to the MBP line at least until he is gone.
What do you think of the following from Razer's support? Does it make sense?
Me (10:39:53 AM):1. If I get a 1TB or 2TB SSD myself, how do I move all the pre-installed software from the SSD which comes with the machine?
System Support (10:40:38 AM):Going back to your concern, our new laptop does not have pre installed programs.
Me (10:41:12 AM):I mean Windows OS and some programs Razer put in as mentioned in the product page.
System Support (10:41:52 AM):The Window OS is already embedded on the laptop itself.
Me (10:42:24 AM)o you mean even I change the SSD, Windows OS is still in the laptop?
System Support (10:42:35 AM):You got it right!
Me (10:43:02 AM):Which version of Windows is that?
System Support (10:44:25 AM):All of our laptops are using Windows 10 Home edition.
Me (10:44:39 AM):If I want Windows 10 PRO, what should I do?
System Support (10:45:46 AM):You can contact Microsoft if you want to upgrade it to PRO. Once you purchase the upgrade, it will give you another Product key so that you can put it in your laptop and will be upgraded to Windows 10 Pro.
Me (10:47:04 AM):I see. I have not used laptops with Windows OS embedded. What will happen when future version of Windows come out in 2-10 years? Do I need to replace the hardware that Windows 10 OS is embedded?
System Support (10:48:02 AM):You don't need to worry about it, all you need to do is use the new Product key for the Windows version.
OS is likely "embedded" on the SSD's recovery partition. There are numerous software applications that allow for cloning of the drive and or preparing the new drive.
As Windows updates versions the recovery partition is also updated, to upgrade to W10 Pro you just need to input the new product key into the system and the OS will take care of the rest, I've just upgraded my new Asus S7BS (GL703GS) from single language W10 to W10 Pro
- Perform basic set up
- Backup drive
- Input W10 Pro Key
- In my case DL English language pack, reset notebook
- Set up system in language of choice
- Backup system
- Perform basic set up
- Backup drive
- DL W10 creation tool from MS
- DL W10 ISO from Microsoft
- DL required software / drivers (often already on the SSD, but you kneed to what & where)
- Wipe or replace the SSD (backup first)
- Boot system from USB flash drive install W10
- Install system specific software / drivers as needed (W10 will do the majority of the work)
- Set up system in language of choice
- Backup system
You should also assess the need for W10 Pro, equally one can purchase OEM keys online cheaply $15 - $20. Once you get into "it" just post a thread related to W10 here and like as not people will help, with the additional perspective of being Mac users.
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Agreed, been there done that. Installing differrent flavors of windows, or upgrading. I'm not worked up and I really don't think its something that will affect my buying decision.
I'm ok with windows 10, but if I'm not, I'll just get W10 Pro license like you said.
Back on topic, I know I've stated this multiple times in various threads that no computer is perfect. The only thing that concerns me with the razer is the power plug. With my 2012 MBP its quick release but not so the Razer (technically none of them but I am leaning towards to the Razer). I guess that's one of the short comings I'll have to adjust too.
I am not asking how to move the OS to a larger SSD here but I was trying to confirm the reliability of support.
Support mentioned that the OS is NOT in the SSD because they said that even if the SSD is removed, the Windows OS is still in the computer. I think this is wrong and it shows that their support has not idea what they are talking about.
Got it
yeah like I said OEM I supports not overly technical Personally I don't worry about it as there's always a solution. I Only time I'd likely use the OEM support would be to RMA defective hardware.Q-6
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Reality is all notebook's are compromised by their nature. The bullet type connectors are more than durable nor easily disconnected. My Acer and Asus are rated for 230W, with Asus CPU + GPU able to spike as high as 215W in isolation.
A notebook with a GTX 1060 would likely have a power budget of 180W. Max-Q you can expect 10% - 15% depreciation in GPU performance, however that extra percentage versus the full fat GPU also equals a good deal more temperature and power draw, seeing a GTX 1070 pulling over 125W in isolation.
The Asus has intelligent fan & power profiles, equally one can use ThrottleStop to limit performance via profiles, helping to extend battery life.
A new notebook with full 45W TDP 8750H is blisteringly fast, with mine scoring 1260CB in CineBench R15, versus my 7700HQ that just manages 730CB. Couple this with a fast GPU and SSD and your well into desktop territory
Personally I prefer the notebook's with duel drives as this allows super simple backup routines and mass storage and as ever on this side of the fence user upgradeable.
One of the guys with another Acer Predator 17 upgraded the storage to an astronomical 12TB (14TB is possible) and RAM to 64Gb, I've no idea of his usage, equally impressive for a notebook / twin 5TB HDD, 1TB nVME SSD & 1TB SATA SSD
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Oh I understand why they did it, but that's the balancing act that we have to consider as consumers.
Got it
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Reality is all notebook's are compromised by their nature. The bullet type connectors are more than durable nor easily disconnected. My Acer and Asus are rated for 230W, with Asus CPU + GPU able to spike as high as 215W in isolation.
A notebook with a GTX 1060 would likely have a power budget of 180W. Max-Q you can expect 10% - 15% depreciation in GPU performance, however that extra percentage versus the full fat GPU also equals a good deal more temperature and power draw, seeing a GTX 1070 pulling over 125W in isolation.
The Asus has intelligent fan & power profiles, equally one can use ThrottleStop to limit performance via profiles, helping to extend battery life.
A new notebook with full 45W TDP 8750H is blisteringly fast, with mine scoring 1260CB in CineBench R15, versus my 7700HQ that just manages 730CB. Couple this with a fast GPU and SSD and your well into desktop territory
Personally I prefer the notebook's with duel drives as this allows super simple backup and mass storage and as ever on this side of the fence user upgradeable.
One of the guys with another Acer Predator 17 upgraded the storage to an astronomical 12TB (14TB is possible) and RAM to 64Gb, I've no idea of his usage, equally impressive for a notebook / twin 5TB HDD, 1TB nVME SSD & 1TB SATA SSD
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Do laptops below 2kg with Nvidia Max-Q 1060/1070 GPU and 8th gen hex cores CPU all have heat, noisy fan and thermal throttling issues? Know any that have no such issues?