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[Dybbuk]

How'd you lose a PS2? It's not exactly something you take with you everywhere like an iPod. Do you mean lost in the sense that it broke or that someone stole it?

Also, kindly post a link of the white PS2. Sony doesn't seem to be acknowledging it.

I lost it while moving.

Also, here you are:

http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/08/30/ceramic.white.ps2/

I am trying to get all-white electronics ... some may call it vanity, but ...

Well, yeah, it's vanity. But everyone who uses a Mac is at least a little vain.

 

[CalBoy]

I lost it while moving.

Also, here you are:

http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/08/30/ceramic.white.ps2/

I am trying to get all-white electronics ... some may call it vanity, but ...

Well, yeah, it's vanity. But everyone who uses a Mac is at least a little vain.

Ahh thanks

Your desire to have white devices points to one thing: obsession. JK. We all have our favorite colors. However, I disagree with "But everyone who uses a Mac is at least a little vain." Having good taste doesn't make you vain

 

[kolax]

Also, kindly post a link of the white PS2. Sony doesn't seem to be acknowledging it.

http://www.joystiq.com/2005/06/06/slim-playstation-2-goes-white/

You mean PSP right? And this an upcoming product, not a currently successful one. The PSP for now has been black. I think overall, the trend has been to offer products that are sleek and stylish, which usually means that black and silver win out. I guess we'll see how well this white PSP does.

The white PSP has been out for ages.

 

[CalBoy]

The white PSP has been out for ages.

Well I didn't know about it; I don't follow PSP news that much. I was basing my point on the fact that since it was an upcoming product (the PS2 still fits this category) we can't call it a "success."

 

[kolax]

Well I didn't know about it; I don't follow PSP news that much. I was basing my point on the fact that since it was an upcoming product (the PS2 still fits this category) we can't call it a "success."

How is the white PSP an upcoming product? And the white PSP was a huge success - was more popular than the black when it came out for some reason.

 

[Dybbuk]

Ahh thanks

Your desire to have white devices points to one thing: obsession. JK. We all have our favorite colors. However, I disagree with "But everyone who uses a Mac is at least a little vain." Having good taste doesn't make you vain

White isn't my favourite colour. I think different colors work for different things. I think white is nice for electronics. I'm really into fashion, which is why these sorts of things matter to me.

And you're right, having good taste does not make you vain!

And all of us on Macrumors have obsession with Macs, right?

 

[CalBoy]

How is the white PSP an upcoming product? And the white PSP was a huge success - was more popular than the black when it came out for some reason.

No, I meant that the white PS2 is still an upcoming product (the link Deuz Augustine supplied said November). My original comment was about the success of white prodcuts. In the electronics industry, they usually are rare; black and silver are the dominant colors.

Also, supply some evidence for the white PSP being more popular. I'm having a hard time accepting that one without some proof.

 

[Dybbuk]

My argument towards white is not about, "I think white is better than everything else!" I just find it odd for Apple to alienate a large group of people who have been clearly won over by the white.

 

[kolax]

No, I meant that the white PS2 is still an upcoming product (the link Deuz Augustine supplied said November). My original comment was about the success of white prodcuts. In the electronics industry, they usually are rare; black and silver are the dominant colors.

Also, supply some evidence for the white PSP being more popular. I'm having a hard time accepting that one without some proof.

You said the white PSP was an upcoming product and put in brackets "the PS2 still fits this category". Try being clearer.

And the sales of white v black is from experience - where I work we were out of stock of white PSP's constantly and customers first choice was usually always white.

 

[CalBoy]

You said the white PSP was an upcoming product and put in brackets "the PS2 still fits this category". Try being clearer.

Yes I know it became a bit unclear, but that was because I thought he meant PSP, not PS2. Either way, it's over with, let's move on.

And the sales of white v black is from experience - where I work we were out of stock of white PSP's constantly and customers first choice was usually always white.

That's entirely anecdotal evidence. You are one sales rep out of millions. Your eyes and ears aren't reliable evidence of product success. If you had a report on Sony's sales of the PSP, I would take that as a good indicator of which one was more popular. Also, did it ever occur to you that the white PSP was ordered in much fewer numbers? If your shop only ordered 1 white PSP for every 4 black ones, then odds are that the white one would sell out faster even if the sales of the black one were three times higher. Get a report, story, article, anything empircal, which states that the white PSP sold better, and then you have a case to say that the white is more popular.

 

[kolax]

That's entirely anecdotal evidence. You are one sales rep out of millions. Your eyes and ears aren't reliable evidence of product success. If you had a report on Sony's sales of the PSP, I would take that as a good indicator of which one was more popular. Also, did it ever occur to you that the white PSP was ordered in much fewer numbers? If your shop only ordered 1 white PSP for every 4 black ones, then odds are that the white one would sell out faster even if the sales of the black one were three times higher. Get a report, story, article, anything empircal, which states that the white PSP sold better, and then you have a case to say that the white is more popular.

I may be one sales rep out of millions, but the company I work for employs people all across the UK. Stock figures for the company showed that the white PSP sales were up and the black PSP sales were down.

And we ordered more white PSP's than black because it was a new product - and generally people want the newest thing, even if it is just the same. It makes your PSP cooler and better if you have a new white version compared to the original black version.

Personal experience, no need to get ratty about it

 

[CalBoy]

I may be one sales rep out of millions, but the company I work for employs people all across the UK. Stock figures for the company showed that the white PSP sales were up and the black PSP sales were down.

And we ordered more white PSP's than black because it was a new product - and generally people want the newest thing, even if it is just the same. It makes your PSP cooler and better if you have a new white version compared to the original black version.

The crux of the issue remains. You are still one of many sales reps, in a secondary market (for Sony, I consider Japan and the US as primary markets because of the volume of prodcut that is sold there). Unless you are an upper level manager who happens to have sales figures for your company, competitors in the UK, sellers in the US, sellers in Japan, and sellers in Canada and the rest of Western Europe, your testimony is useless. Even if I take on faith (which I don't) that your company sold more white PSPs than black PSPs, I still have no relevant data for other UK resellers or for the rest of the world. You also don't have a time frame for these sales. Was it a week, two weeks, a month, six months? This is why we need more official information before we can accept the statement of "the white is more popular."

And the white PSP was a huge success - was more popular than the black when it came out for some reason.

Personal experience, no need to get ratty about it

Your first post made it seem like hard fact. In truth, you're basing this on your perceptions. I'm not being "ratty," I'm trying to make sure we base our discussion on facts. Unless you have actual data, there's no point in continuing this line of discussion.

 

[kolax]

Blimey, have you got something stuck up your arse?!

I'll say it again, from personal experience, I found customers wanted the white PSP more than the black PSP. Regardless of the rest of the world, that does not change the fact that I personally sold more white PSP's and had more requests for it than black.

Accept that or not, I don't give two craps mate. You are making a debate out of nothing. Your signature is really ironic considering the input you've put in this thread - not knowing what Quartz is, and not even knowing that a white PSP has been released a long time ago.

Back on topic now if you please (no hard feelings eh?).

The main reason I spent the extra dough for my MBP is I wanted the GPU for games and other uses; the MB simply didn't suit my needs. I'd love a BlackBook with a decent GPU though...I have a soft spot for the BlackBook.

 

[CalBoy]

I'll say it again, from personal experience, I found customers wanted the white PSP more than the black PSP. Regardless of the rest of the world, that does not change the fact that I personally sold more white PSP's and had more requests for it than black.

That's fine, but next time preface personal experiences with "I've seen through personal experience that..." instead of stating it as fact, like you did. No hard feelings; let's move on.

The main reason I spent the extra dough for my MBP is I wanted the GPU for games and other uses; the MB simply didn't suit my needs. I'd love a BlackBook with a decent GPU though...I have a soft spot for the BlackBook.

I too like the blackbook, but there were two additional things which bothered me about it. 1) no matte option. I like matte screens; glossy ones produce too much glare for me. 2) the keyboard felt awkward. I spent plenty of time with the macbook keyboard (school had a set we used from time to time. I logged a good twenty hours using the macbooks before I had made up my mind about the keyboard), and I found it to be very uncomfortable. The mbp keyboard is leagues ahead in my opinion.

 

[Dybbuk]

That's fine, but next time preface personal experiences with "I've seen through personal experience that..." instead of stating it as fact, like you did. No hard feelings; let's move on.



I too like the blackbook, but there were two additional things which bothered me about it. 1) no matte option. I like matte screens; glossy ones produce too much glare for me. 2) the keyboard felt awkward. I spent plenty of time with the macbook keyboard (school had a set we used from time to time. I logged a good twenty hours using the macbooks before I had made up my mind about the keyboard), and I found it to be very uncomfortable. The mbp keyboard is leagues ahead in my opinion.

The MBP keyboard and MB keyboard are quite different, but after adjusting to the MB keyboard I love it. I find I can type faster than I have ever been able to type on it.

 

[CalBoy]

The MBP keyboard and MB keyboard are quite different, but after adjusting to the MB keyboard I love it. I find I can type faster than I have ever been able to type on it.

Yes, it is very much a personal thing. I just couldn't "grow" to like it.